Vision draft
Elias Bizannes
After countless hours researching, debating, and thinking - I've been
able to put a draft on the official DataPortability vision.
http://wiki.dataportability.org/x/SoA0
Now that we have a strawman, let the games begin!!
Some background that guided my draft
- I am avoiding the subject of ownership and control of data. If you
want a house party, you don't need to own the house or even rent it -
you just need the ability to use the house for a specified period of
time. As such, I don't think we need to define these areas. The end
goal of interoperability is dependent more on an ecosystem not legal
title.
- Open standards are a key enabler of the vision for a variety of
reasons. As Danny Ayers once said in the original workgroup: "The
success of the Web is due in no small part to the ability for
developers to work independently yet have interop (mostly) guaranteed
by the base spec". Open standards mean the cost of implementing, doing
business, and more are reduced. HOWEVER, I am concious of saying we
support open standards across the board; it's for the market to
determine which standards. Having said that though, I've determined
some bas criteria of what an open standard is, and this alone, may
create single winners.
Probably others, but I'll let you look at it. My goal is that we can
debate this base document, and by Monday next week, is is ready for
submission to the steering group.
Cheers,
Elias
Brady Brim-DeForest
Brady Brim-DeForest
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Christian Scholz / Tao Takashi (SL)
Now I finally found the time to write something about it :-)
So my issue with this is the missing control part. I understand that
it's not an easy topic to tackle and I am one of the persons saying
that we shouldn't discuss what ownership means because as many people
have pointed out it can be problematic if you e.g. upload assets you
don't own (I heard 1 or 2 people do such things on YouTube).
But one topic which is important to me is how I can control who can
access or transfer or use data I put up on some site. This might be my
email address, phone number or any other personal information but also
photos, videos and other data.
I see this as a very important topic to discuss and I think it's also
an important topic for the policy action group in order to define some
rules for that.
So I wonder how we can get this in without getting intro trouble
defining ownership. Can we assume that you also have the right to
upload data if you do so and let the legal aspects be dealt with
outside the DP vision?
As the draft looks to me now it sounds to me as our goal is to make
data as available as possible without caring much about to whom.
That's not what I'd like too much. I also think we don't need to work
too much in this area as with most standards people discuss this seems
to be the case. So I would see one important aspect of our work in
making sure that there are also some rules they should follow and
really keep the user in control, not the service.
Ok, so much for my main issue :-) That being said, I am on vacation
for nearly 2 weeks starting on tuesday so I am not sure I can discuss
this much with you guys (and as you can imagine this also means some
stress right now ;-) ).
-- Christian
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Elias Bizannes
Christian Scholz / Tao Takashi (SL)
<elias.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Same here Christian - I am on the tail end of my client deadline this week
> and then I got on a weeks leave to regain my health and sanity.
Well deserved, I'd say! Enjoy your vacation!
> How can you control data itself through? Recently an Iranian blogger stole a
> post of mine and claimed it as his own writing. I have no "control" over my
> data when it's public. How can I enforce my rights of control, in a world
> when there is no means to do so. If we were talking in the context of
> national governments, that enforcement would have meaning. But the net is
> anything but unified, and so that ability to enforce our rights is minimal.
> I believe however you can control the benefits of the data. So in the case
> of that Iranian, he he promoting my work - the ideas, the language, the
> perspective. That personally benefits me. I may not be able to control how
> he uses that data, but by him copying me, I have in fact control over the
> benefits because I framed the writing with my view.
Well, stealing a blog post is the legal thing I was talking about. You
cannot really do something about it except sueing people.
But a blog post is also something which is really easy to copy as it's
public by it's nature. My phone number, my friends list, my email
address and also photos might not be that publically available.
So some social network could actually implement some means of me
defining which people got to see my data (Xing.com does that). Similar
things might apply to exporting it to other systems. I am also
thinking about some sort of master service which holds all your data
and only gives it out to services and people you define.
I am not really talking about a strong technological barrier or a
legal things but mostly guidelines which services can follow and if
they do I might be more likely to signup to them. It's also basically
the same problem of trust we are discussing in the Open Grid Protocol
working group and the architecture we envision there is also made up
of master services which are the main storage points of your data.
Of course your point also makes sense but not so much if it's my
personal data he is using (maybe in not so cool contexts like posting
as me).
> Does that make any sense to you? Greenberg is the person who has been most
> vocal to me about dropping the words ownership and even control, so maybe he
> can give his perspective.
Well, he also was the one who I was discussing some idea about CC
licenses for data so I am also planning to discuss this with him
again. While the CC licenses for data of course sounds like a legal
thing I personally would more like some guidelines which might be
agreed upon in the scene. If people copy your data you should have a
legal stand anyway, although it might not be that easy or worth making
use of it.
Are you on this list, Greenberg? :-)
-- Christian