> Michael is making a video because he has chosen to as a personal
> project - it was not a decision by anyone.
> I totally agree that I wish we would get as much participation on the
> road map that we do on the slogan! I have asked repeatedly for
> comments and input on it but no one seems to be doing anything (other
> than the slogan) besides me, Paul, Zef and Josh at this point!
Like developing an ontology with a community, many people are subscribed
to the list, but only a couple of people really work things out. This is
particularly true for DP, and I have to admit, I start to think that
many people are subscribed for the hype, and not really for the content,
the concepts, and all the questions it rises. Even how this can change
business and ultimately our life...
So, with 600 people subscribed, expect 6 to 10 people that will most
than likely work for on it :)
Also, so far, it is not because "google, plaxo, or whatever the
"companies""... what this means? I didn't notice any writing or whatever
coming from them (at least not since I am here)... now Mozilla, etc. So
far it is all about hype (in my opinion). People that really care about
the project: its ideas and concepts, will have to work and get things
done, one by one... some kind of doing their own business. Personally I
won't count on other people than the ones that stated the project, and a
couple of others. There is only one way to do a job: by doing it, and
not thinking about doing it... :)
Just my two pennies.
> Just to echo David's comments with my own take: it's an awesome thing
> that so many influential people have expressed their desire to work on
> data portability by joining this group, and the positive attention
> we've received is great validation that this is an important thing to
> work on. I want to move forward with speed and agility, and I think
Influential people are influential because they working on things that
changed things. These people (that are all companies except for some
people) have to enter in this debate, bring ideas and share thoughts. It
is possible that they change things in certain domains, but if these
influential people are not participating, they won't change this one.
This is about communication and discussion. Saying that I participate is
not participating :) This can be counted in action.
A project doesn't evolve and emerge with desire. A project evolve and
emerge and change things by working according to these desire. I had the
desire, years ago, to change my World with semantic web ideas,
principles and technologies. I am working on this, day after day. Will I
change the World? I don't know (and not really care since I have so much
fun!) but I least I work to reach that goal.
But anyway, the group shouldn't loose track and put its minds into
clouds because of all the hype around it. There is a job that has to be
> the best way to do that is to start with a high-level dialog amongst
> the principals involved about where we're coming from, what we're
> hoping to achieve, what we're worried about, how we think we can work
> together, and so on. My hope is after some lively debate, we can agree
> on a shared set of goals and principles that will in turn lay the
> groundwork for actual specs and implementations. Rushing ahead with
Sure, but there are more than a slogan, and it is what David said I
think. I already know people, really intelligent people, that
unsubscribed from this list because, as one said: "was actually thinking
about unsubscribing; poor signal/noise ratio)
It is about balance and focus.
> blueprints and specs before we all get a chance to talk together and
> pick a shared path with shared values is, IMO, putting the cart before
> the horse. We all want to get there, and let's make sure we do it the
> right way: by first taking the time to understand one another as
Well, unfortunately, I doubt there is a a clear path to do it. We will
come and go in many directions I think :)
It is about actions here. Getting things done.
> I think the problem with the dataportability movement so far is that
> there are no leaders.
Like in any groups, leaders will emerge.
However, I would add one more item more or less related to that:
introducing and making relations with other groups of people working on
the same ideas.
The Linked Data Community is one of them 
The Open Knowledge Definition group is another one 
And I am sure there are many others...