2200+ BMTC busstop locations

[Thejesh GN]

I scraped BMTC site today for details.

Now I have all the routes and bustop info.

New busstops (2200+ locations) with lat long is available at

http://openbangalore.org/available-data/

By tomorrow, I will update route info too. If you are curious check the sqlite at

https://github.com/openbangalore/bmtc/tree/master/data

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[Venkata Pingali]

Interesting. I filed an RTI for among other `things locatio

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[Venkata Pingali]

Interestingly I filed an RTI for among other things locations of 

bus stops. I was refused citing a long list of escape clauses 

including trade secrets, intellectual property etc. :) 

[Devdatta Tengshe]

Awesome! I had scrapped some data, but had left the project incomplete due to paucity of time.
I'm eagerly waiting for the Routes.

Regards,
Devdatta

[Sajjad Anwar]

Thanks!

I put together a map using the data - http://geohacker.in/bmtc/
You can search for bus stops and neighborhoods. The search uses the bus stops data and city level data from geonames.org

There are couple of things that have to be fixed. But if you come across some issues or have ideas for new features, please file a ticket.

When we have the routes data, I can put that up and see if we can find directions easily.

The code isn't too clean, but I'll make it alright - https://github.com/geohacker/bmtc

Also, it's a bit slow initially because there are 2201 points coming into your browser. Will fix soon.

Let me know what you think!

Cheers,
Sajjad

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[Thejesh GN]

Uploaded the routes info. Here it is

http://openbangalore.org/available-data/

If you are a developer get sqlite

For non developers: 

- routes - Gives route info

- busstops - Bus stops info

- routes-busstops - Has route to busstop linking

Timing is something I am planning to extract next. May be in next few days I will update the routes(tables, csv) with bus timings.

If you want to help me, here is the project

https://github.com/openbangalore/bmtc/

For a long time we had demand for transport data. here it is at last. Go crazy. 

Let me know if you are using it anywhere, I will add it to 

http://openbangalore.org/usage-examples/

Also attached early print screen of heatmap of busstops in 2012 and 2014 @500mts radius.

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[srinivas kodali]

is there schedule data too somewhere on the site?

[Thejesh GN]

Yes.

http://www.mybmtc.com/service/timings/gns/General%20Services

check arrival and departure. I will scrape them next :)

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[Sajjad Anwar]

I'm fixing tiny things as I come across on the app - http://geohacker.in/bmtc/ (larger circles, easy to click etc, responsive etc.)

Thej, schedule would be fabulous. We could potentially build a simple app which takes in destinations and suggest routes.

I don't have a lot of time, so if someone's got spare time, let me know.

Prateek (copied) tells me that he'd be happy to help.

Fork away! https://github.com/geohacker/bmtc

Cheers,
Sajjad.

Sajjad Anwar http://geohacker.in

[Sajjad Anwar]

On a second thought and while talking people, it might make sense to
publish this data in the GTFS format
(https://developers.google.com/transit/gtfs/)

[Thejesh GN]

We can.

But if there is OSM version of the same, i will prefer that.

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[Sajjad Anwar]

OSM allows gtfs tags -
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/General_Transit_Feed_Specification
Since GTFS is a widely accepted standard.

I'm asking some friends at OSM about uploading the bus stop data to
the repository. Since we scraped it there might be a challenge. Do you
know what license BMTC publishes this in?

Cheers,
Sajjad.

[Meera]

If anybody want to develop any public data tools/widgets like bus routes - we can embed it on bangalore.citizenmatters.in/data-tools as objects. 

It can help general junta to access it easily.

-Meera

[srinivas kodali]

I was going through the BMTC technical document to implement  Expected Time of Arrival (ETA) for Buses in Bangalore. 

Scrapping real-time data would be more fun. if they won`t give API`s

[Thejesh GN]

Is it live somewhere?

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[Suvajit]

Good job Thej & Sajjd on scraping BMTC stop & route info from their website and presenting on OSM.

But I am sure that if we count bus stations in Bangalore it will have 1000 stops more ( around 4000 in total ). So we need to find those missing ones.

Google Map has better list of bus stations for Bangalore than BMTC. But unfortunately GMap does not provide API to get that information directly.

I found a workaround where Google Local search provides bus stations in a given locality. 

So quite an amount on scrapping work can be done on Google Map itself to extract bus_stations. I will give try in spare time.

On the live tracking point, BMTC  already awarded a project last year to put tracking devices in all its fleet (6500+ buses). The project is expected to complete end of this year. In that case, if the system works well we can get the GPS logs of BMTC buses.

This can help us both in live update and also accurate route and stop database building.

Also BMTC has floated a tender for digitization of schedules. If this project is on, we can expect to get accurate bus stop, route and schedule information from BMTC. In fact, we can ask BMTC to publish their data in GTFS format which we can use to build services/solutions on top of it.

Sajjad,

  What license are you asking about ? License to publish GTFS data ?

Regards,

Suvajit

[Sajjad Anwar]

Hey,

On Feb 19, 2014 10:34 AM, "Suvajit" <suvajit....@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Good job Thej & Sajjd on scraping BMTC stop & route info from their website and presenting on OSM.
>
> But I am sure that if we count bus stations in Bangalore it will have 1000 stops more ( around 4000 in total ). So we need to find those missing ones.
> Google Map has better list of bus stations for Bangalore than BMTC. But unfortunately GMap does not provide API to get that information directly.
> I found a workaround where Google Local search provides bus stations in a given locality. 
> So quite an amount on scrapping work can be done on Google Map itself to extract bus_stations. I will give try in spare time.

Just a word of caution - this is against Google Maps / Search Terms of Service. Even if you scrape the data out we cannot use it in any meaningful way.

[Suvajit]

Hi Sajjad,

  I propose to use Google API itself to extract some information. How is this violating G M terms of service ?

  But it is subject to test whether really we can scrape out good data from it or not.

Regards,

Suvajit

[Sajjad Anwar]

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Suvajit <suvajit....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sajjad,
> I propose to use Google API itself to extract some information. How is
> this violating G M terms of service ?

Check clause 2 here - https://maps.google.com/help/terms_maps.html

[srinivas kodali]

Thejesh,

They are yet to implement it in Bangalore, will take some 6 months i guess. The tender got rolled out in last March. 

[inosaint]

Like Suvajit pointed out, there are bus stops missing from the dataset. For example when I looked at Sajjad's map, I found that on Tumkur Road between Gorguntepalya and Jalahalli Cross, not a single bus stop was marked(I think there are atleast 3). Can we possibly have something like http://pincode.datameet.org/ to allow crowdsourcing to perhaps make up for the missing bus stops?

[Thejesh GN]

We can crowdsource. Let me think about it.

BTW now we have timings

https://github.com/openbangalore/bmtc/blob/master/data/timings_2014.csv

Download

https://github.com/openbangalore/bmtc/raw/master/data/timings_2014.csv

I will update OpenBangalore. Later

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[srinivas kodali]

Thejesh,

Do you think is there any chance to get transit agencies open there datasets across india through open data portal (http://data.gov.in/) ?

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:03 PM, srinivas kodali <iota....@gmail.com> wrote:

Thejesh,

Do you think is there any chance to get transit agencies open there datasets across india through open data portal (http://data.gov.in/) ?

No not in near future.

-Satya

Satyaakam.net | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org

[Thejesh GN]

I dont know. May be we can talk to them during ODC. 

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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:03 PM, srinivas kodali <iota....@gmail.com> wrote:

[Ankur Nagar]

Super interesting thread - Satya, wanted to check, why this may not be anytime soon? 

[Arvind Shivakumar]

Hey Guys,

Do you think it will help if we spoke to the top brass at BMTC about releasing the data?

-Arvind
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On 27-Feb-2014, at 3:48, Ankur Nagar <ankur...@gmail.com> wrote:

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