TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Sutirtha Roy]

Dear DM members:

Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a TIN number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?

Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states exist any where?

I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.biharcommercialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are in quite a bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and other states?

Thanks!

Sutirtha

Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance

011-23095176 (O) 9810645843 (M) 

[Nisha Thompson]

What is a commercial tax circle? Like a cluster of villages?

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[Nisha Thompson]

Karnataka seems to have something digitalized as well with some PIN code mapping.

http://ctax.kar.nic.in/bangaloreoffices.asp#

[Sutirtha Roy]

Nisha - all companies are required to pay indirect taxes for their sales. Just like PAN card for income taxes, companies file their VAT proceeds with the State Governments using a TIN (tax indentification number) number. So depending on where a company is registered, the company would obtain a TIN from their corresponding commercial tax division>circle. Example: https://mptax.mp.gov.in/mpvatweb/download/home/CTDContacts/CTDDIVCTO.html . 

I have a list of TIN numbers that I want to map to these commercial tax divisions/circles. Hopefully, then with a shapefile I will also be able to map these companies across the country. 

Something like the Bangalore link you shared is exactly what I am looking for - if I could only crack the TIN-LVO (local VAT office) mapping structure now!!

Thank you.

Best,

Sutirtha

Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance

011-23095176 (O) 9810645843 (M) 

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Nisha Thompson <ni...@datameet.org> wrote:

[S Anand]

This Excel sheet lists TIN numbers as well as Nodal Officers and Nodal Divisions for a subset of Maharashtra TINs. The TINs go from 2702... to 2798... so the first two letters are clearly the census code.

But for a single nodal officer (e.g. RAT-VAT-D-001) in Kohlapur, the TINs range from 27020604247V to 27980654838V.

So I guess there's no mapping between a nodal division or officer to TIN.

Is the commerical tax circle different from this?

Regards,

Anand

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy <sutirt...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sutirtha Roy]

Thanks Anand. I think it is not a straightforward mapping from a TIN to a division/circle, but there should be an underlying mapping function - I am just not aware of that function is, or, if it can be reverse engineered.

A commercial tax circle is more disaggregated than a division. For example - Indore city is divided into three tax divisions with 5-6 circles inside each of the divisions. Your tin maps to a (division,circle) tuple. Another example is: https://comtaxappl.uk.gov.in/tinno.aspx?tin=05005816145 . The TIN 05005816145 maps to (Dehradun,DC I) tuple.

SR

Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance

011-23095176 (O) 9810645843 (M) 

[Nisha Thompson]

Is this something that the central government determines? Revenue amount or geographic size etc?

Or is this a state determination and they just send the taxes up to the center?

NIsha

[Sutirtha Roy]

Nisha, the states determine the circles and collect revenues. They determine the VAT rates too. The centre determines the CST, which is levied on interstate movement of goods, which is collected by the states. All of this is set to change under the new GST regime though where there will be a uniform rate across all states. The collection will still be done by the states.

[Nisha Thompson]

That makes sense. 

State by state is the only way then. RTI each state?  Maybe they will have the map. Each division office should have a list of associated villages which the state department might have. Assuming village is the boundary in rural area and probably pincode for urban like the karnataka map. If they split up villages then it is super hard.