List of BMTC Bus stops
Srihari Srinivasan
Neha M
Megha Vishwanath
Gautham Ravichander
Would recommend consulting mithila jha, who is a consultant with the bmtc. She might be able to help. Quite a friendly and helpful person.
Thejesh GN
Srihari Srinivasan
Srihari Srinivasan
Srikanth Lakshmanan
Hi Folks!Any ideas from where I can get a list of all bus stops in Bangalore? I tried the BMTC site and only got a partial list.
Regards
Srikanth.L
Shekhar Krishnan
1. Address a letter to the officials in your bus company requesting a
spreadsheet/database of the stops, routes, areas, etc. in soft copy
format. PRINT IT OUT and TAKE IT WITH YOU.
2. Go to meet them, be humble and say sir/madam when required, and bring
your pen drive if you feel lucky.
3. Humbly tender the letter in 1. above and tell them you believe in
public data, open standards, and free software (the holy trinity/trimurti).
4. If they don't oblige on the spot, give them your email, take their
land line number, and kindly intimate them of the request tendered in 1.
above every 48 hours.
Of the above, I find that for most folks who expect everything to be
online already the first and seconds steps are always the most
difficult. Try and you will be rewarded. :)
S.K.
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Shekhar Krishnan
58/58A, Anand Bhavan, 2nd Floor
201, T.H. Kataria Marg (Lady Hardinge Road)
Mahim, Mumbai 400016, Maharashtra, INDIA
Bheema Upadhyaya
Shekhar Krishnan
Are you trying to create a GTFS (General/Google Transit Feed Spec) for
Bangalore transport?
If so we should talk more, we in Mumbai have been engaged in this same
challenge with the BEST database, in our project called ChaloBEST. See
our wiki for more information http://wiki.chalobest.in
We're interested in GTFS not so much because we want to share our work
with Google, but since GTFS is an open data standard around which we can
converge our software development.
We are building apps and services for serving transit data on the web,
over SMS, in an Android app, and in print, in English and Indic scripts.
Mumbai is our use case, but the apps should work with anyone anywhere
who has a valid GTFS feed.
ChaloBEST officially works with the cool kids at BusRoutes.in
http://busroutes.in who are trying to scratch the same itches in Delhi
and Chennai. Let's join forces and learn more from each other.
See my ten-minute talk on ChaloBEST at the India Urban Conference, where
we won the first prize in the Sankranti Transform Urban India
competition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRosKYm5TZI
Best,
Shekhar
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Bheema Upadhyaya
Suvajit
As far as i know, BMTC bus information is already added to Google
Transit last year. It has been added BMTC with support with some
agency.
Once the bus data is provided through Google Transit, the data is
already in GTFS format.
Go to Google map and try to find a direction in Bangalore it will
provide some bus travel information. The information pretty accurate.
What it does not provide is the bus timing. What can be done is to
add more bus route information to it.
Adding Metro data in GTFS will help provide multi modal transit
information which I think will be quite uesful too.
Regards,
Suvajit
On Apr 18, 4:33 pm, Bheema Upadhyaya <bheema.upadhy...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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> Yes, I am creating in GTFS format, but collecting data in via google docs.
> Nowadays I am unable to spend time on this. Someone namely Arun from
> busroutes.in was in touch me long time back.
>
> -Bheema
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> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Shekhar Krishnan <shek...@mit.edu> wrote:
> > Bheema:
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> > Are you trying to create a GTFS (General/Google Transit Feed Spec) for
> > Bangalore transport?
>
> > If so we should talk more, we in Mumbai have been engaged in this same
> > challenge with the BEST database, in our project called ChaloBEST. See our
> > We're interested in GTFS not so much because we want to share our work
> > with Google, but since GTFS is an open data standard around which we can
> > converge our software development.
>
> > We are building apps and services for serving transit data on the web,
> > over SMS, in an Android app, and in print, in English and Indic scripts.
> > Mumbai is our use case, but the apps should work with anyone anywhere who
> > has a valid GTFS feed.
>
> > ChaloBEST officially works with the cool kids at BusRoutes.in
>
> > See my ten-minute talk on ChaloBEST at the India Urban Conference, where
> > we won the first prize in the Sankranti Transform Urban India competition
> > Best,
>
> > Shekhar
>
> > On Wednesday 18 April 2012 01:24 PM, Bheema Upadhyaya wrote:
>
> >> I am trying to actually create Google transit compatible data. This is
> >> kinda one-man project, though originally intended to be crowdsourced (Or
> >> open data). The local train data is almost complete. While BMTC data is
> >> unfinished. I am occassionally updating from published BMTC timetable
> >> book. Feel free use the data and update if you can :
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> >> 0AjXp4g3sMBNGdGM4OXVLVTVyVTNMc**Gl2RG9NR04wcXc&authkey=**COq2gvQH<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjXp4g3sMBNGdGM4OXVLVTVy...>
Arun Ganesh
j.mp/ArunGanesh
Samuel Rajkumar
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bmtc&hl=en
Cheers,
Shekhar Krishnan
If it does not provide timings then it is not valid GTFS. So maybe the stops are there, but limited routes and no scheduling.
https://developers.google.com/transit/gtfs/reference
And as Arun correctly points out, the data is locked up with Google. So it's not open, and we can't do anything with it except scrape and beg.
Best,
S.K.
Thejesh GN
Suvajit
As per the process, Google asks the operator to place the GTFS data in
their own server (not in Google server) and share the URL with Google
to access it.
So if BMTC makes this URL public, the data will be available to all.
I have checked to find that the bus route information dataset is
bigger with MapUnity than the GTFS data provided by BMTC.
But scheduling and timing information, AFAIK even BMTC do not precise/
centrally located data. This is where we can prepare this data.
Regards,
Suvajit
On Apr 19, 12:30 pm, Thejesh GN <i...@thejeshgn.com> wrote:
> This one by mapunity is betterhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapunity.indibus&fe...
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> > There's an Android app that's not perfect, but nearly there.
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> >https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bmtc&hl=en
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> > Cheers,
>
> > > AFAIK, the normal routes are not there yet, its only the volvo and big 10
> > > routes on google transit. Plus the GTFS feed itself has not been made
> > public
> > > and the data is locked up. N
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> > > If I wanted to analyze public transport coverage for the entire city,
> > there
> > > is no way to do so.
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Arun Ganesh
I do not accept the fact that GTFS data is locked by Google.
As per the process, Google asks the operator to place the GTFS data in
their own server (not in Google server) and share the URL with Google
to access it.
So if BMTC makes this URL public, the data will be available to all.
I have checked to find that the bus route information dataset is
bigger with MapUnity than the GTFS data provided by BMTC.
But scheduling and timing information, AFAIK even BMTC do not precise/
centrally located data. This is where we can prepare this data.
Regards,
Suvajit
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j.mp/ArunGanesh
Raghu Saboo
Suvajit
As I said earlier, Google just get a feed from the Transport agencies or whomsoever entrusted by the agency to provide the data in GTFS format. They do not own the distribution rights of the data.
Thanks Raghu for the clarification done from Google internal sources.
So we can ask BMTC to make the same data public. If pushed for, BMTC can release the data for public. BMTC has no competitor for its business in Bangalore.
But the dataset that is there now is not complete hence not useful. As a citizen, I cannot depend on Google Transit information to plan my travel in the city using public transport facilities.
That is where we need to work. We need to prepare a comprehensive data set for bus & metro routes, schedules and timings. This data is not readily available. I am sure even BMTC does not have this information at one place.
If few people in the group is interested/motivated to work on this, we can team up and take it forward.
Regards,
Suvajit
On Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:26:19 PM UTC+5:30, Srihari Srinivasan wrote:
Karthik Shashidhar
Arun Ganesh
j.mp/ArunGanesh
Pranesh Prakash
> As I said earlier, Google just get a feed from the Transport agencies or
> whomsoever entrusted by the agency to provide the data in GTFS format.
> They do not own the distribution rights of the data.
Such data is, in my opinion, not copyrightable (as it displays neither a
modicum of creativity, nor does it take skill and judgment to compile,
which, since 2006, are the standards in India). So technically no one
owns the right, not even the transport agencies.
--
Pranesh Prakash · Programme Manager · Centre for Internet and Society
@pranesh_prakash · PGP ID 0x1D5C5F07 · http://cis-india.org
Shekhar Krishnan
data like timetables, which are officially prepared and change every few
months.
Transit data is not like encyclopedia articles or street maps, and is
not subject to interpretation, perspective or differences of opinion.
Either it is correct or it isn't. One needs to know the official truth
to establish a base line against which users can usefully provide
feedback. That means you need to get the official data FIRST. Under RTI
it is your right to do so.
Our experience in Mumbai with the BEST and our project called ChaloBEST
has been that the best solution is to source the raw data from
officials, and make your own GTFS or APIs or apps around it. And make
sure it's updated as per official changes so it is reliable. Approach
the agency, bring a letter stating your request, be polite, and make
friends with them so you can keep coming back for more.
I seriously doubt that anyone can "crowdsource" all the required fields
for building a valid GTFS feed, unless we have a Nation of Millions. See
the spec and decide for yourself. Even Google relies on intermediaries
and NGOs to do their work for them, so they can just use it to make free
beer from free speech.
https://developers.google.com/transit/gtfs/reference
ChaloBEST and Busroutes.in are collaborating to build a FOSS stack for
use in any city to for deploying apps for SMS, web, Android, and print
media which are all built around GTFS, to the extent possible. A lot of
other folks are scratching the same itches, and rather than re-inventing
the wheel in every town, we should work together.
Best,
Shekhar
> j.mp/ArunGanesh <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh>
Pranesh Prakash
> Even Google relies on intermediaries
> and NGOs to do their work for them, so they can just use it to make free
> beer from free speech.
I read about this on another list just today. Could you please provide
more details? This sounds most interesting.
Suvajit
I second Sekhar on the point that timetable data cannot be crowdsourced. It is an official data prepared by the operators for their operations.
Moreover, the timetable is just a plan. It is upto the drivers to follow the plan. This planning done today by most of the operators is grossly averaged out and can be sometimes unrealistic.
Hence, none tends to follow the plan.
Crowdsourcing can gather the travel time information which can then be tallied and a realistic timetable can be generated. But that is all together a different problem and can be addressed later.
But what I feel, a brainstorming is needed amongst us on this to take it to action phase.
Can we plan a meet sometime soon ?
Srihari Srinivasan
Suvajit
It will be great if we can find some time out from the next meetup to take this point forward.
I want to be there. Please pass on the timing and venue details.
Let me know if any registration/intimation is needed.
Regards,
Suvajit
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Shekhar Krishnan and I got talking about the BMTC routes and http://www.narasimhadatta.info still seems to be the best place for the data. Does anyone have a clue on where the source of this info is and how recently it has been updated?
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Arun Ganesh
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Anuj Duggal
> Hi Folks!
>
>
> Any ideas from where I can get a list of all bus stops in Bangalore? I tried the BMTC site and only got a partial list.
>
>
> regards
> Hari
QQ: Is there any API / Open Data for the BMTC Bus routes?
Sajjad Anwar
Sajjad
On Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 7:26:19 PM UTC+5:30, Srihari Srinivasan wrote: > Hi Folks! > > > Any ideas from where I can get a list of all bus stops in Bangalore? I tried the BMTC site and only got a partial list. > > > regards > Hari Hello guys, QQ: Is there any API / Open Data for the BMTC Bus routes? -- Datameet is a community of Data Science enthusiasts in India. Know more about us by visiting http://datameet.org
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