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In this issue:
DBUG> reloading programs
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> curved leaders
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> The Cloud
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> Offtopic Android Tip
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: DataCAD student version
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DBUG> BSA - AIA Is headed for some real trouble if they change
the current bylaws for Emeritus Status
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 3:01:25 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>
Just purchased a new computer with Windows 7.
>>>>>if you open Windows Explorer (Windows Key / E) and then double click on the CD drive.
You may also need to use the windows 7 option to "Run as
Administrator" on the setup file. Right click on the setup file, and
select that option from the menu that pops up.
Ted
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 20, 2012 3:09:17 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
John Lautner, one of my all-time fav's, did some wild stuff. I've seen
many of his original pencil-on-vellum sheets. Some I've pored over for
hours, gaining understanding in detail. No photograph in any book does
justice to the real thing. Curved leaders. With some effort, such
things can be seen in person.
Lautner actually hated drafting. Too mechanical for his tastes. Others
in his studio often laid down the lines. Some I've met in person; the
wonderful Ms. Arahuete, e.g. I've also personally met others connected
in one way or another: Escher, Cohen, various clients (Pearlman makes
nice tea).
Working Drawings can be way more than the equivalent of thermal-
printed bar tabs. Under gifted hand, they may elevate to become little
treasures.
Sidebar: One reason I spend hours studying such sheets is to know what
was intended vs what was actually built. Rarely matching, you see. In
one recent case, where a fireplace was smoking badly, I realized that
the actual fire box was constructed about half the depth specified on
the original floor plan and section. Ya think that might be the
reason? Duh. I'd love to see the documentation for that field change.
Who made the decisions? Why? In the end, WTF happened? Result is a
fireplace that smokes terribly.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 9:14:49 PM EDT
Subject: Re: curved leaders
I have worked for an engineer and tend to just put text close to what
they are labeling and use very few arrows and no string line
dimensions.
Dave
Old arguments fer sure.
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Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM
From: Leon Miller <lhmil...@optonline.net>
Subject: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
Any recommendations for a kitchen cabinet program or add on to Dcad
that is not too expensive. I am trying to design a kitchen but even
with sketch up etc. cannot come up with decent 3d drawings to compete
with the cabinet companies. Do not want to spend for the expensive
programs but still need something to work with. Need more
sophistication than the standard library symbols with Dcad.
Thanks
Leon Miller
Interstate Showcase & Store Fixture Co. Inc.
PO Box 941
Teaneck, NJ 07666
2014674522
2016790555
201928 0052 fax
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: The Cloud
The easiest way to do this is to unlock everything except the
interoperability features and have a watermark on anything that is
printed for school use. I also believe the PDF's can be locked so they
can't change it with another program there to remove the watermark. I
do think DataCAD has a 30 day trial, but they need a student version.
OR just sell them the full blown copy of 14 with the soft lock IF they
can prove they are a student. Would that cost anything at all?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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Love the idea in concept, but last year I taught an entry class in CAD
to high school students and did not get a response from DataCAD when I
enquired about student licenses so I don't know if the kid/student is
in their marketing plan(I was not persistent either though), but sure
seems like it should be. I was also involved a bit with the Robotics
team and they also use whatever they can get free or inexpensively. I
guess it's similar to getting people hooked on drugs - a little bit
free....wow, I love this stuff! Google SketchUp made is so easy with
their free version and AutoDesk did too with their free student
licenses even though only some students could load Revit due to the
computer requirements. If there could be another DataCAD light version
with some simple 3d features, seems like it could be marketable. Then
maybe you could also view more detailed AEC files from it too.
And related, did anyone look at the post that I referenced earlier
this week in the forum about inexpensive CAD programs on the AIA
knowledge based site?
http://network.aia.org/AIA/Discussions/ViewThread/?GroupId=187&MessageKey=a7
83045a-3527-47f9-b02c-a39c6ee4a307
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
- --Straight arrows would have required tools. T-Square for the
horizontal leg. The move T-Square, pick up and bring over a small
triangle, align it, draft raked leader. Take triangle away, back to
its stowed spot.
Draft arrow.--
Why would you need a horizontal leg? Is that even necessary. Tools for
curved leaders either a French curve or a steady hand. I would think
just to draw a line would require at least a straight edge. To me the
pretty needs to be in the home and speed plus clarity needs to be in
the drawings with some exceptions that the customer really pays
attention to like a 3D rendering or something like that.
I’ve seen stuff that was pretty as can be with tons of mistakes and
stuff that was ugly but right.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM
Subject: Offtopic Android Tip
If you don’t already know, there is a ton of calculators for Android
phones many of which are free. The one I like is “Handyman
Calculator”. That one is handy indeed.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
I believe you have what you need right inside your existing Version
of
Datacad - Check out 3D Casework via the Symbol Browser
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
(http://www.saffrongroupinternational.blogspot.com/)
>>>>>>
Any recommendations for a kitchen cabinet program or add on to Dcad
that is not too expensive. I am trying to design a kitchen but even
with sketch up etc. cannot come up with decent 3d drawings to compete
with the cabinet companies. Do not want to spend for the expensive
programs but still need something to work with. Need more
sophistication than the standard library symbols with Dcad.
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From: "Paul Nida" <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: May 21, 10:58 pm
Subject: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
To: DataCAD-DBUG
You people do realize that Datacad has a student version available,
don't
you?
Per the Datacad website:
DataCAD 14 Pro Student
One Year License - $50
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The easiest way to do this is to unlock everything except the
interoperability features and have a watermark on anything that is
printed for school use. I also believe the PDF's can be locked so they
can't change it with another program there to remove the watermark. I
do think DataCAD has a 30 day trial, but they need a student version.
OR just sell them the full blown copy of 14 with the soft lock IF they
can prove they are a student. Would that cost anything at all?
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:09:20 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: DataCAD student version
Yes, I had asked DataCAD about a free one though since the school
could get the others like Revit for free, but DataCAD did not respond.
In hind sight, was really glad we used SketchUp since the class was
really basic - the DataCAD user-unfriendly layout would have made it
harder. Few got to Revit either. Once I get the 3d part of DataCAD
down a bit more, I might pursue it for teaching if I do it again.
Thanks Paul.
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
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You people do realize that Datacad has a student version available,
don't you?
Per the Datacad website:
DataCAD 14 Pro Student
One Year License - $50
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
3D Modeling is easy enough in DataCAD.
In the end, I'd say it depends on complexity. I mean, it's one thing
to model European Box cabinetry, and quite another to model
raised-panel in cope-and-stick frame doors with scalloped "cathedral"
head rails over face frames. Still another to include turned woodwork
and fancy bas-relief carved wood applique accents.
Key is working to the appropriate level of abstraction.
Euro Box should be a flash, piece of cake. Model one basic box with
pulls to your satisfaction. Base all others on that seed. Use
Symbols
where appropriate (those p= ulls, e.g.).
Raised panel, cope-n-stick & scallops all can be modeled, if you've
patience. Bear in mind that this stuff can get heavy, polygon-wise.
the thing with cathedral scallops is that each serpentine curve
differs, depending on width of door.
You can use shorthand 3D if you're not overly close.
Never model more than you have to. For example, if you can't see the
backs nor guts of a cabinet, for heaven's sake don't model 'em!
Note:
I always start with a sound Floor Plan. Work out all the details
there.
I often do a massing model first. Boxes and countertops only.
Frankly, that's usually enough. I find that no matter what I design,
residential-wise, the end result will be different, colored by
salesmen, the General, the Finish Carpentry Sub, the Cabinet Maker,
the Owner and more. I let them figure it out. As long as the Owner is
happy, I'm happy.
We have a place near us called Tile Mile. Just east of Disneyland. I
pass it everyday. Literally a mile, at LEAST, of large and small
concerns selling everything imaginab= le in tile, stone, wild
countertops, casework and more. The showrooms will blow your mind. By
the time a Client visits there, spends maybe a few weeks= browsing,
his+her entire outlook on "what's possible" gets rewritten.
Commercial, that's a different story. Usually what I draft gets
built,
to the letter. Exacting casework elevations and large-scale plans
essential, especially with disabled access requirements being what
they are (exacting). Sometimes I model these, for nice walk-throughs.
Nearly always Euro-Box in commercial. Super easy to model in 3D.
Go man, GO!
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Any recommendations for a kitchen cabinet program or add on to Dcad
that is not too expensive. I am trying to design a kitchen but even
with sketch up etc. cannot come up with decent 3d drawings to compete
with the cabinet companies. Do not want to spend for the expensive
programs but still need something to work with. Need more
sophistication than the standard library symbols with Dcad.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
I realize they do but the last time we had to donate one of our
licenses over for school use, but no not like what we were talking
about. If so, it needs to be pretty close to the top on page one.
http://www.datacad.com/products/index.html
And this don't count. Trial versions are not student versions.
http://www.datacad.com/demo/index.html
I finally found it but it's hard to find. I actually had to use Google
search since it is not under "Products". It's not even under "Online
Store".
http://www.datacad.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?key=DCDE-1400&preadd=action
So, no I didn't, but it should be easier to find on their site IMO.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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You people do realize that Datacad has a student version available,
don't you?
Per the Datacad website:
DataCAD 14 Pro Student
One Year License - $50
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:09:04 -0400
From: Robert Scott <scottreside...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
Sure you can model almost anything in Datacad or use the 3D casework
templates as a starting point. Wouldn't it be great to have a drag
and drop kitchen module like this:
http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/rooms_ideas/kitchen/download1.html
Kraftmaid has tons of cabinets models for free posted on the 3D
warehouse site:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=1578714967053181502720351&scoring=m
Robert Scott
>> 3D Modeling is easy enough in DataCAD.
>>
>> In the end, I'd say it depends on complexity. I mean, it's one
thing
>> to model European Box cabinetry, and quite another to model
>> raised-panel in cope-and-stick frame doors with scalloped
"cathedral"
>> head rails over face frames. Still another to include turned
woodwork
>> and fancy bas-relief carved wood applique accents.
>>
>> Key is working to the appropriate level of abstraction.
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
It is in their online store and it took me less than 2 min. to find
it, copy it the text and paste it into my original post. I don't know
how much easier that could be.
> I realize they do but the last time we had to donate one of our licenses over for school use, but no not like what we were talking about. If so, it needs to be pretty close to the top on page one.
>
> http://www.datacad.com/products/index.html
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From: Larry Gray <lg...@ledarchitecture.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
>
> I finally found it but it's hard to find. I actually had to use Google search since it is not under "Products". It's not even under "Online Store".<<<
Yes it is. Look again.
- --
Larry Gray, Associate
Lambert Ezell Durham
Architecture + Interior Design
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
Anyhow, it is there but still hard to find IMO. Apparently no one
knows about it. Maybe there should be another tab called “Students”.
One thing I did notice is that it said “new” under products and I sure
didn’t see it last time I looked. Maybe I’m going blind? It should
help sales eventually.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
>>>>Yes it is. Look again.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
It could be on the first page. In any case it I do see also where it
says "new". How long have they been doing such a thing and why don't
more schools take advantage of it?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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It is in their online store and it took me less than 2 min. to find
it, copy it the text and paste it into my original post. I don't know
how much easier that could be.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
- --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
Simple when they went after copyright violators, they went after
companies and pretty much every drafting student that had a PC had a
pirate copy for free that they didn't care about. So later on that
becomes the program that they want to use at work which pays for it.
At the that time AutoCAD had no copy protection and there wasn't CAD
classes in school. In 1986 if you had a PC you were a beginner and
computer classes were still time sharing, main frame based
Yeah, why not give it away with certain limitations. That's what
everyone else does. Then you may, in the future, end up with more
paying customers. It's a long term marketing thing and it has worked
well for many small companies that later became large. It' not like
they would be losing money for something they aren't going to sell
anyhow.
When DataCAD's current user base all dies off or retires, who is going
to buy from them when no one even knows they exist all that much
beyond this forum? Everything else you can learn to use for free and
take as long as you want. There is just a large watermark on the
printouts that won't let you make money off of them. Do you thing a
kid is going to pay $40 for something he will never get hired to use?
He/she is not going to waste time with that.
If someone has a better idea on how to spread the word that DataCAD IS
capable of doing architectural drawings faster than plain Jane AutoCAD
for less than 1/3rd the price, I'm sure DataCAD LLC would like to hear
it. It's also not like they have to send disks either. If so then,
yes, $50 is break even at best. Since Avon is so close to many Ivy
league schools, you would think DataCAD LLC would be trying to give
this stuff away to architectural professors and such to get people
hooked.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
It is problably not a leader for them so that would be my guess as to
why it is not on the first page, but I didn't design their web site so
I don't know. I believe they started it with the release of 14 but I
am not positive. I remember receiving a notice about it, but since it
didn't affect me, I didn't pay too much attention to it. I am not a
teacher and I am about as far away from being a student as I can be.
As to why more schools don't take advantage of it, who knows. Why do
so many people use Autocad?
And since Debbie wanted a free, I can understand why she didn't get
much response from Datacad. In these economic times they are
struggling to stay alive like the rest of us. And $50 is damned near
giving it away.
I want to point out that these are my personal observations and have
nothing to do with Datacad and I have no intention of trying to speak
for them.
> It could be on the first page. In any case it I do see also where it says "new". How long have they been doing such a thing and why don't more schools take advantage of it?
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Date: May 22, 2012 2:52:28 PM EDT
From: Anthony Masciarelli <lem...@optonline.net>
Subject: DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
My sincere THANKS for all the responses I received regarding my
dilemma of not being able to load Datacad. I have versions 11, 12, and
13 and was comfortable using Version 11.
In my ignorance I found out that V 11 does not run on Windows 7. Each
time I upgrade something it becomes a night-mare. I don’t want to be
a computer wonk, I just want to be able to
Get some work done. Now I have to learn about Windows 7, after
becoming comfortable with XP.
In any event I truly appreciate all the kind HELP. ( I have been using
Datacad since the Microtecture Days so you would think I’d be an
expert by now!)
Thanks to All,
Anthony Masciarelli, AIA
MASCIARELLI ARCHITECTS
77 Glenbrook Road / Suite 105
Stamford, CT 06902
203 324-6330
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:16:52 -0400
From: Rick Gleason <fcgl...@tgp-architects.com>
Subject: DBUG> BSA - AIA Is headed for some real trouble if they
change the current bylaws for Emeritus Status
If the AIA changes the current bylaws I believe a large portion of
the members in my generation will resign immediately. The AIA
provides little to no value to us, and what value we get is provided
by the BSA, however that will not outweigh the issues facing us as a
group related to retirement, loss of retirement value due to the stock
market, and the state of our industry.
We suggest that that the AIA must tighten its belt and tough out this
time as we Architects have all been doing, rather than try to pile
further burdens on our generation of Architects by breaking a
longstanding practice and expectation, ...otherwise it is very likely
we will simply resign in mass, because there are more important things
than renewing membership of the AIA (and the BSA) under those
circumstances.
Incidentally, over the years I have been a member of AIA/BSA , I have
found that the contribution, volunteer time and knowledge of older BSA
members has provided me with significant support and found wisdom that
could not have been replaced in any other way. To write off this
entire class/generation and cut the AIA/BSA of from their
contributions would be a significant long term loss in my opinion.
Please re-read the links below and reconsider what you are doing.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Frederick C. Gleason, AIA, Leed BD+C (Member since 1985)
http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&srchtype=discussedNews&gid=113822&item=111451785&type=member&trk=eml-anet_dig-b_pd-ttl-cn&ut=3LE03vW5hB6Bg1
P. Jeanne Myers, AIA
<http://www.linkedin.com/groups?
viewMemberFeed=&gid=113822&memberID=80987690>
Gentlemen:
Here is what is being proposed:
Under the current Bylaws, Architect members are eligible for Emeritus
status if they have been members in good standing for 15 successive
years and are at least 65 years old. Under the proposed amended
Bylaws, the 15 years of continued membership applies, but members will
have to be retired from practice and now have to wait until age 70!
You should not worry if you are already an Emeritus member, but not 70
years old, because your Emeritus status remains.
>From WHEN GETTING OLD ARE YOUNG AGAIN! By Jerome Leslie Eben, AIA (http://aianj.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/when-getting-old-are-young-again
<http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Faianj%2Ewordpress
%2Ecom%2F2012%2F04%2F22%2Fwhen-getting-old-are-
youngagain&urlhash=YbeH&_t=tracking_disc>)
This is a proposed change to the bylaws and as such has to be voted on
at the National convention in DC. I hope this helps clear up the
confusion.
16 days ago . Like
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If the AIA wants to cut back on emeritus status to save money perhaps
they should also cut back on awarding Fellowship status to every Tom
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In this issue:
DBUG> reloading programs
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> curved leaders
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> The Cloud
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> Offtopic Android Tip
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: DataCAD student version
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> RE: The Cloud
DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
DBUG> BSA - AIA Is headed for some real trouble if they change
the current bylaws for Emeritus Status
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 3:01:25 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>
Just purchased a new computer with Windows 7.
>>>>>if you open Windows Explorer (Windows Key / E) and then double click on the CD drive.
You may also need to use the windows 7 option to "Run as
Administrator" on the setup file. Right click on the setup file, and
select that option from the menu that pops up.
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 20, 2012 3:09:17 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
John Lautner, one of my all-time fav's, did some wild stuff. I've seen
many of his original pencil-on-vellum sheets. Some I've pored over for
hours, gaining understanding in detail. No photograph in any book does
justice to the real thing. Curved leaders. With some effort, such
things can be seen in person.
Lautner actually hated drafting. Too mechanical for his tastes. Others
in his studio often laid down the lines. Some I've met in person; the
wonderful Ms. Arahuete, e.g. I've also personally met others connected
in one way or another: Escher, Cohen, various clients (Pearlman makes
nice tea).
Working Drawings can be way more than the equivalent of thermal-
printed bar tabs. Under gifted hand, they may elevate to become little
treasures.
Sidebar: One reason I spend hours studying such sheets is to know what
was intended vs what was actually built. Rarely matching, you see. In
one recent case, where a fireplace was smoking badly, I realized that
the actual fire box was constructed about half the depth specified on
the original floor plan and section. Ya think that might be the
reason? Duh. I'd love to see the documentation for that field change.
Who made the decisions? Why? In the end, WTF happened? Result is a
fireplace that smokes terribly.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 9:14:49 PM EDT
Subject: Re: curved leaders
I have worked for an engineer and tend to just put text close to what
they are labeling and use very few arrows and no string line
dimensions.
Dave
Old arguments fer sure.
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Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM
From: Leon Miller <lhmil...@optonline.net>
Subject: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
Any recommendations for a kitchen cabinet program or add on to Dcad
that is not too expensive. I am trying to design a kitchen but even
with sketch up etc. cannot come up with decent 3d drawings to compete
with the cabinet companies. Do not want to spend for the expensive
programs but still need something to work with. Need more
sophistication than the standard library symbols with Dcad.
Thanks
Leon Miller
Interstate Showcase & Store Fixture Co. Inc.
PO Box 941
Teaneck, NJ 07666
2014674522
2016790555
201928 0052 fax
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: The Cloud
The easiest way to do this is to unlock everything except the
interoperability features and have a watermark on anything that is
printed for school use. I also believe the PDF's can be locked so they
can't change it with another program there to remove the watermark. I
do think DataCAD has a 30 day trial, but they need a student version.
OR just sell them the full blown copy of 14 with the soft lock IF they
can prove they are a student. Would that cost anything at all?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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Love the idea in concept, but last year I taught an entry class in CAD
to high school students and did not get a response from DataCAD when I
enquired about student licenses so I don't know if the kid/student is
in their marketing plan(I was not persistent either though), but sure
seems like it should be. I was also involved a bit with the Robotics
team and they also use whatever they can get free or inexpensively. I
guess it's similar to getting people hooked on drugs - a little bit
free....wow, I love this stuff! Google SketchUp made is so easy with
their free version and AutoDesk did too with their free student
licenses even though only some students could load Revit due to the
computer requirements. If there could be another DataCAD light version
with some simple 3d features, seems like it could be marketable. Then
maybe you could also view more detailed AEC files from it too.
And related, did anyone look at the post that I referenced earlier
this week in the forum about inexpensive CAD programs on the AIA
knowledge based site?
http://network.aia.org/AIA/Discussions/ViewThread/?GroupId=187&MessageKey=a7
83045a-3527-47f9-b02c-a39c6ee4a307
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
- --Straight arrows would have required tools. T-Square for the
horizontal leg. The move T-Square, pick up and bring over a small
triangle, align it, draft raked leader. Take triangle away, back to
its stowed spot.
Draft arrow.--
Why would you need a horizontal leg? Is that even necessary. Tools for
curved leaders either a French curve or a steady hand. I would think
just to draw a line would require at least a straight edge. To me the
pretty needs to be in the home and speed plus clarity needs to be in
the drawings with some exceptions that the customer really pays
attention to like a 3D rendering or something like that.
I’ve seen stuff that was pretty as can be with tons of mistakes and
stuff that was ugly but right.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:19 AM
Subject: Offtopic Android Tip
If you don’t already know, there is a ton of calculators for Android
phones many of which are free. The one I like is “Handyman
Calculator”. That one is handy indeed.
Regards,
David Ramey
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
I believe you have what you need right inside your existing Version
of
Datacad - Check out 3D Casework via the Symbol Browser
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
(http://www.saffrongroupinternational.blogspot.com/)
>>>>>>
Any recommendations for a kitchen cabinet program or add on to Dcad
that is not too expensive. I am trying to design a kitchen but even
with sketch up etc. cannot come up with decent 3d drawings to compete
with the cabinet companies. Do not want to spend for the expensive
programs but still need something to work with. Need more
sophistication than the standard library symbols with Dcad.
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From: "Paul Nida" <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: May 21, 10:58 pm
Subject: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
To: DataCAD-DBUG
You people do realize that Datacad has a student version available,
don't
you?
Per the Datacad website:
DataCAD 14 Pro Student
One Year License - $50
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The easiest way to do this is to unlock everything except the
interoperability features and have a watermark on anything that is
printed for school use. I also believe the PDF's can be locked so they
can't change it with another program there to remove the watermark. I
do think DataCAD has a 30 day trial, but they need a student version.
OR just sell them the full blown copy of 14 with the soft lock IF they
can prove they are a student. Would that cost anything at all?
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:09:20 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: DataCAD student version
Yes, I had asked DataCAD about a free one though since the school
could get the others like Revit for free, but DataCAD did not respond.
In hind sight, was really glad we used SketchUp since the class was
really basic - the DataCAD user-unfriendly layout would have made it
harder. Few got to Revit either. Once I get the 3d part of DataCAD
down a bit more, I might pursue it for teaching if I do it again.
Thanks Paul.
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
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You people do realize that Datacad has a student version available,
don't you?
Per the Datacad website:
DataCAD 14 Pro Student
One Year License - $50
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
3D Modeling is easy enough in DataCAD.
In the end, I'd say it depends on complexity. I mean, it's one thing
to model European Box cabinetry, and quite another to model
raised-panel in cope-and-stick frame doors with scalloped "cathedral"
head rails over face frames. Still another to include turned woodwork
and fancy bas-relief carved wood applique accents.
Key is working to the appropriate level of abstraction.
Euro Box should be a flash, piece of cake. Model one basic box with
pulls to your satisfaction. Base all others on that seed. Use
Symbols
where appropriate (those p= ulls, e.g.).
Raised panel, cope-n-stick & scallops all can be modeled, if you've
patience. Bear in mind that this stuff can get heavy, polygon-wise.
the thing with cathedral scallops is that each serpentine curve
differs, depending on width of door.
You can use shorthand 3D if you're not overly close.
Never model more than you have to. For example, if you can't see the
backs nor guts of a cabinet, for heaven's sake don't model 'em!
Note:
I always start with a sound Floor Plan. Work out all the details
there.
I often do a massing model first. Boxes and countertops only.
Frankly, that's usually enough. I find that no matter what I design,
residential-wise, the end result will be different, colored by
salesmen, the General, the Finish Carpentry Sub, the Cabinet Maker,
the Owner and more. I let them figure it out. As long as the Owner is
happy, I'm happy.
We have a place near us called Tile Mile. Just east of Disneyland. I
pass it everyday. Literally a mile, at LEAST, of large and small
concerns selling everything imaginab= le in tile, stone, wild
countertops, casework and more. The showrooms will blow your mind. By
the time a Client visits there, spends maybe a few weeks= browsing,
his+her entire outlook on "what's possible" gets rewritten.
Commercial, that's a different story. Usually what I draft gets
built,
to the letter. Exacting casework elevations and large-scale plans
essential, especially with disabled access requirements being what
they are (exacting). Sometimes I model these, for nice walk-throughs.
Nearly always Euro-Box in commercial. Super easy to model in 3D.
Go man, GO!
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Any recommendations for a kitchen cabinet program or add on to Dcad
that is not too expensive. I am trying to design a kitchen but even
with sketch up etc. cannot come up with decent 3d drawings to compete
with the cabinet companies. Do not want to spend for the expensive
programs but still need something to work with. Need more
sophistication than the standard library symbols with Dcad.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
I realize they do but the last time we had to donate one of our
licenses over for school use, but no not like what we were talking
about. If so, it needs to be pretty close to the top on page one.
http://www.datacad.com/products/index.html
And this don't count. Trial versions are not student versions.
http://www.datacad.com/demo/index.html
I finally found it but it's hard to find. I actually had to use Google
search since it is not under "Products". It's not even under "Online
Store".
http://www.datacad.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?key=DCDE-1400&preadd=action
So, no I didn't, but it should be easier to find on their site IMO.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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You people do realize that Datacad has a student version available,
don't you?
Per the Datacad website:
DataCAD 14 Pro Student
One Year License - $50
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:09:04 -0400
From: Robert Scott <scottreside...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> OT:Kitchen Cab Programs
Sure you can model almost anything in Datacad or use the 3D casework
templates as a starting point. Wouldn't it be great to have a drag
and drop kitchen module like this:
http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/rooms_ideas/kitchen/download1.html
Kraftmaid has tons of cabinets models for free posted on the 3D
warehouse site:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=1578714967053181502720351&scoring=m
Robert Scott
>> 3D Modeling is easy enough in DataCAD.
>>
>> In the end, I'd say it depends on complexity. I mean, it's one
thing
>> to model European Box cabinetry, and quite another to model
>> raised-panel in cope-and-stick frame doors with scalloped
"cathedral"
>> head rails over face frames. Still another to include turned
woodwork
>> and fancy bas-relief carved wood applique accents.
>>
>> Key is working to the appropriate level of abstraction.
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
It is in their online store and it took me less than 2 min. to find
it, copy it the text and paste it into my original post. I don't know
how much easier that could be.
> I realize they do but the last time we had to donate one of our licenses over for school use, but no not like what we were talking about. If so, it needs to be pretty close to the top on page one.
>
> http://www.datacad.com/products/index.html
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From: Larry Gray <lg...@ledarchitecture.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
>
> I finally found it but it's hard to find. I actually had to use Google search since it is not under "Products". It's not even under "Online Store".<<<
Yes it is. Look again.
- --
Larry Gray, Associate
Lambert Ezell Durham
Architecture + Interior Design
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
Anyhow, it is there but still hard to find IMO. Apparently no one
knows about it. Maybe there should be another tab called “Students”.
One thing I did notice is that it said “new” under products and I sure
didn’t see it last time I looked. Maybe I’m going blind? It should
help sales eventually.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
>>>>Yes it is. Look again.
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Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
It could be on the first page. In any case it I do see also where it
says "new". How long have they been doing such a thing and why don't
more schools take advantage of it?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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It is in their online store and it took me less than 2 min. to find
it, copy it the text and paste it into my original post. I don't know
how much easier that could be.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
- --Why do so many people use Autocad?--
Simple when they went after copyright violators, they went after
companies and pretty much every drafting student that had a PC had a
pirate copy for free that they didn't care about. So later on that
becomes the program that they want to use at work which pays for it.
At the that time AutoCAD had no copy protection and there wasn't CAD
classes in school. In 1986 if you had a PC you were a beginner and
computer classes were still time sharing, main frame based
Yeah, why not give it away with certain limitations. That's what
everyone else does. Then you may, in the future, end up with more
paying customers. It's a long term marketing thing and it has worked
well for many small companies that later became large. It' not like
they would be losing money for something they aren't going to sell
anyhow.
When DataCAD's current user base all dies off or retires, who is going
to buy from them when no one even knows they exist all that much
beyond this forum? Everything else you can learn to use for free and
take as long as you want. There is just a large watermark on the
printouts that won't let you make money off of them. Do you thing a
kid is going to pay $40 for something he will never get hired to use?
He/she is not going to waste time with that.
If someone has a better idea on how to spread the word that DataCAD IS
capable of doing architectural drawings faster than plain Jane AutoCAD
for less than 1/3rd the price, I'm sure DataCAD LLC would like to hear
it. It's also not like they have to send disks either. If so then,
yes, $50 is break even at best. Since Avon is so close to many Ivy
league schools, you would think DataCAD LLC would be trying to give
this stuff away to architectural professors and such to get people
hooked.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: The Cloud
It is problably not a leader for them so that would be my guess as to
why it is not on the first page, but I didn't design their web site so
I don't know. I believe they started it with the release of 14 but I
am not positive. I remember receiving a notice about it, but since it
didn't affect me, I didn't pay too much attention to it. I am not a
teacher and I am about as far away from being a student as I can be.
As to why more schools don't take advantage of it, who knows. Why do
so many people use Autocad?
And since Debbie wanted a free, I can understand why she didn't get
much response from Datacad. In these economic times they are
struggling to stay alive like the rest of us. And $50 is damned near
giving it away.
I want to point out that these are my personal observations and have
nothing to do with Datacad and I have no intention of trying to speak
for them.
> It could be on the first page. In any case it I do see also where it says "new". How long have they been doing such a thing and why don't more schools take advantage of it?
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Date: May 22, 2012 2:52:28 PM EDT
From: Anthony Masciarelli <lem...@optonline.net>
Subject: DBUG> Loading Datacad on to New Windows 7 computer
My sincere THANKS for all the responses I received regarding my
dilemma of not being able to load Datacad. I have versions 11, 12, and
13 and was comfortable using Version 11.
In my ignorance I found out that V 11 does not run on Windows 7. Each
time I upgrade something it becomes a night-mare. I don’t want to be
a computer wonk, I just want to be able to
Get some work done. Now I have to learn about Windows 7, after
becoming comfortable with XP.
In any event I truly appreciate all the kind HELP. ( I have been using
Datacad since the Microtecture Days so you would think I’d be an
expert by now!)
Thanks to All,
Anthony Masciarelli, AIA
MASCIARELLI ARCHITECTS
77 Glenbrook Road / Suite 105
Stamford, CT 06902
203 324-6330
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:16:52 -0400
From: Rick Gleason <fcgl...@tgp-architects.com>
Subject: DBUG> BSA - AIA Is headed for some real trouble if they
change the current bylaws for Emeritus Status
If the AIA changes the current bylaws I believe a large portion of
the members in my generation will resign immediately. The AIA
provides little to no value to us, and what value we get is provided
by the BSA, however that will not outweigh the issues facing us as a
group related to retirement, loss of retirement value due to the stock
market, and the state of our industry.
We suggest that that the AIA must tighten its belt and tough out this
time as we Architects have all been doing, rather than try to pile
further burdens on our generation of Architects by breaking a
longstanding practice and expectation, ...otherwise it is very likely
we will simply resign in mass, because there are more important things
than renewing membership of the AIA (and the BSA) under those
circumstances.
Incidentally, over the years I have been a member of AIA/BSA , I have
found that the contribution, volunteer time and knowledge of older BSA
members has provided me with significant support and found wisdom that
could not have been replaced in any other way. To write off this
entire class/generation and cut the AIA/BSA of from their
contributions would be a significant long term loss in my opinion.
Please re-read the links below and reconsider what you are doing.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Frederick C. Gleason, AIA, Leed BD+C (Member since 1985)
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P. Jeanne Myers, AIA
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Gentlemen:
Here is what is being proposed:
Under the current Bylaws, Architect members are eligible for Emeritus
status if they have been members in good standing for 15 successive
years and are at least 65 years old. Under the proposed amended
Bylaws, the 15 years of continued membership applies, but members will
have to be retired from practice and now have to wait until age 70!
You should not worry if you are already an Emeritus member, but not 70
years old, because your Emeritus status remains.
>From WHEN GETTING OLD ARE YOUNG AGAIN! By Jerome Leslie Eben, AIA (http://aianj.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/when-getting-old-are-young-again
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This is a proposed change to the bylaws and as such has to be voted on
at the National convention in DC. I hope this helps clear up the
confusion.
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Does the Board really think that those of us laid off in the mid 60s
age group and have not been rehired (by choice or through age
discrimination/high salary) can afford membership fees? I intended to
work 'till 70 or so but was cut as part of massive layoffs at my
former firm. I determined I could afford to semi-retire by doing some
limited consulting and not try to take jobs that the 'younger
generation' (perhaps) need more than I. I applied for Emeritus status
specifically because I could not justify the AIA membership fees in
semi-retiremet. I can not believe I am alone in this situation.
If the AIA wants to cut back on emeritus status to save money perhaps
they should also cut back on awarding Fellowship status to every Tom
Dick and Harry who has played the proper AIA Political game.
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