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In this issue:
DBUG> Re: The Cloud
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> re-loading programs
DBUG> Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine Meeting
DBUG> re-loading programs
DBUG> RE: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine Meeting
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> re-loading programs
DBUG> re-loading programs
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:55:32 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: DBUG> Re: The Cloud
Love the idea in concept, but last year I taught an entry class in CAD
to high school students and did not get a response from DataCAD when I
enquired about student licenses so I don't know if the kid/student is
in their marketing plan(I was not persistent either though), but sure
seems like it should be. I was also involved a bit with the Robotics
team and they also use whatever they can get free or inexpensively. I
guess it's similar to getting people hooked on drugs - a little bit
free....wow, I love this stuff! Google SketchUp made is so easy with
their free version and AutoDesk did too with their free student
licenses even though only some students could load Revit due to the
computer requirements. If there could be another DataCAD light version
with some simple 3d features, seems like it could be marketable. Then
maybe you could also view more detailed AEC files from it too.
And related, did anyone look at the post that I referenced earlier
this week in the forum about inexpensive CAD programs on the AIA
knowledge based site?
http://network.aia.org/AIA/Discussions/ViewThread/?GroupId=187&MessageKey=a7
83045a-3527-47f9-b02c-a39c6ee4a307
>>>>>>I know an easy way for DataCAD to make money, by adding cloud features to the program. It's kind of like solar power and electric cars, wonderful in theory, but limited in practice. All this consist of really, is saving all of your settings, drawings, etc. out there in "the cloud" which can really just be servers through DataCAD's company of choice, giving people some free space (I think UdderCAD 360 has 3gig for free) and charging a lot for anything more and kids love the sound of it and with DataCAD being a not so intensive, bloated program, it just might work to gain new customers since young people move around from device to device." DataCloud" J What does everyone think about that? Regards, David Ramey<<<<
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
>I'm an Architect.>
Congratulations I new you could do it if you tried hard enough, BTW so
am I. They will let almost anyone be an architect if they can past the
test and give them enough money.
>Architectural drawings, historically, used curved leaders.>
Architectural drawings were also traditionally drawn with ink on
vellum, I haven’t done that since the 1970’s either. Then ink on mylar
with pen bar drafting, I haven’t done that since the late 1980’s.
>One important reason to do so has always been to differentiate the
leaders from the work to be built. Most work to be built is comprised
of straight lines. Curved leaders, properly drafted, CLEARLY are apart
from the rectilinear walls, windows, FFE, etc. They are part of the
annotation, not a part of the representation.>
If your drawings are clear and concise it doesn’t matter what kind of
leaders or arrows you use. Some people also like to use closed arrows
and some open, some with a 3:1 or greater aspect ratio and some with
1:1. It is a personal preference, it doesn’t matter. In 35 to 40
years of not using curved leaders, I have never had anyone confuse
them as part of the drawing.
>I will always draft curved leaders, unless FORCED to do tail-plus-
raked-line leaders.>
Good for you! I think you should draw your arrows exactly the way you
want to. After all they ARE your arrows.
>To MY eye, and I've been doin' this 40 years, straight leaders are
a hallmark of Mechanical Drafting, and CAD jockeys who were trained
under that track. Sure, I did the Mech track for a few years. But the
moment I hit the Architectural Track, in Eighth Grade, I shifted to
architectural curved-leaders, and never looked back.>
I have been doing this for over 40 years also and to MY eye, I don’t
see any correlation at all. I haven’t done any mechanical drafting
since the ninth grade (way more than 40 years ago, unfortunately). I
have never worked for an engineer but I have worked for several
architects that never used curved leaders.
>>Sidebar: I'm a student of scads of styles, and a nut for driving
even a thousand miles RT to see ORIGINAL drawings. I've personally
laid my eyes on some outstanding sets of original working drawings.
FLW, of course, Charles & Henry Greene (gorgeous original pencil
drawings of THREE ultimate bungalows on three different rare exhibit
ocassions), Isozaki, Gehry, Bucky, Neutra, Schindler, scads of
Modernists, and many greats of the Renaissance, etc. I've handled
scrolls 75 feet long lovingly laid down in multimedia by maestro Paolo
Soleri. And I've a mountain of books filled with amazing plates of
Working Drawings, from the Eiffel Tower down to humble Craftsman book
ends. I own a few rare books; one recent acquisition of a book that
featured working drawings set me back 300 clams; worth every penny and
a year of searching, finally traveling to San Francisco to purchase
the thing, cash-only.<<<<<<<
I once drove across town to see a monkey scratch his privates.
Actually that wasn’t the reason I drove over there but it was a funny
sidebar. Sounds to me like you have too much time on your hands, but
if it makes you happy, go for it.
>Leave us say I have an interest in such things.>
Leave us say I have no interest in such things at all, to each his
own.
>I draft curved-leaders. For sound reasons. Not arbitrary; not in
the least.>
I don’t care how you draw your leaders or why you draw them that way.
I merely responded to a post about using curves in smart leaders. If I
wanted to use curved leaders in smart arrows I could. The comment that
I don’t use curved leaders and haven’t seen them used in a long time
was more in the way of an observation. And I mainly put that in my
original post because Neil asked if any one was using them with smart
arrows. I really don’t care whether people use curved leaders or not,
unless they are working on my drawings. Then I expect them to use
company standards. I expect that this is a primary reason why many
architects went away from curved leaders to start with, so their
drawings would all be consistent.
But I do have a problem when someone insinuates that if someone else
doesn’t do things exactly like they do then they are somehow wrong.
They are ONLY wrong if they are working for your company and aren’t
following your companies standards.
Paul Nida
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From: James Horecka
Date: Friday, May 18, 2012
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
Well, I consider working drawings works of art.
Sure, art is in the eye of the beholder.
We'll agree to disagree.
I'll continue to drool over the finest sets of working drawings. Or,
shall I say, those I consider the best of the best.
By the way: I'm currently FORCED to draw broken-leader (straight-plus-
rake) leaders. What a drag.
However, whenever I can, on so many stand-alone assignments, I do
things the way I see fit.
Me, I'm more happy to never have any RFIs or Change Orders on
projects. Being also a pragmatist.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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From: SDES...@aol.com
Date: May 19, 2012 9:42:38 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
Good luck.
BTW - You can use this Dropbox method for sharing ALL files not just
3D.
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
>>>>>>>>
Really looking forward to trying this after I get proficient with 3d a
bit more! Thanks.
- ------------------------------
Not too sure why I did not think of this before (perhaps I'm too late
with this information and you already "do it" ) but I just "dropped"
an o2cOBJECT.html and the Support File Folder in Dropbox for a bunch
of folks to view at the same time. I included a little
README1st.doc file to explain how to manipulate the Interactive Model
while we were all on a conference call spanning coast to coast.
I used Datacad for the Modeling and 3D Text and Saved out the OBJECT
in the o2c Viewer. I then opened it in o2c Interactive and then "File"
- - - PUBLISH TO THE WEB".
Previously I would have to send the *.html with a folder and "explain
to each and every team member the "how to's".................
Datacad - "The gift that keeps on giving................."
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David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
SaffronGroupInternational.com
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: May 19, 2012 10:48:11 AM EDT
Subject: Curved Leaders again
Yes curved leaders are historical. I haven't personally seen FLW
drawings but have seen copies.
It may be time to move forward as straight arrows can be different
from the drawing itself too by controlling line weights and a nice
solid filled arrow head.
IMO the home the needs to be work of art and the plans easy to read.
Straight arrows traditionally have tails too but I wonder if that is
even necessary. So I'm giving thought to even keeping straight lines
into one line instead of two unless I need a Z.
FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have
today to CYA.
Dave
PS Im going to try to get the upgrade.
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Date: May 19, 2012 3:23:13 PM EDT
From: Anthony Masciarelli <lem...@optonline.net>
Subject: DBUG> re-loading programs
I need some HELP!
Just purchased a new computer with Windows 7.
I have Datacad 11, 12, and 13 . Tried loading on to the new computer
and none of the disks will boot?????
Any suggestions?
THANKS,
Anthony Masciarelli,
MASCIARELLI ARCHITECTS
77 Glenbrook Road / Suite 105
Stamford, CT 06902
203 324-6330
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From: Debbie at Sun Plans <deb...@sunplans.com>
Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine Meeting
To: SDES...@aol.com, dataca...@googlegroups.com
I do use DropBox for sharing drawings and documents with clients (and
vice versa). I have even left DataCAD drawings in DropBox so that two
people could access the file (not at the same time); however, this
past week we lost a lot of work on a DataCAD file that way so will
not do that again even though my consultant said she saved the
drawing. Anyone else had that happen? Was that just dumb thing to try?
For On Line Meetings, I have used this to share my desktop with
others. It's free and fairly user friendly:
https://www.freescreensharing.com/
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
>>>>>>>>>
BTW - You can use this Dropbox method for sharing ALL files not just
3D.
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:13:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>
I have Datacad 11, 12, and 13 . Tried loading on to the new computer
and none of the disks will boot?????
>>>>>>>
Humm.....have you gone into them via Windows explorer and started the
*.exe from there.?
Can you see the disk and it's contents ?
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
(http://www.saffrongroupinternational.blogspot.com/)
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From: SDES...@aol.com
Date: May 19, 2012 8:11:36 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine
Meeting
Sure she saved the drawings. The ORIGINALS................
Dropbox Files MUST BE COPIED.........Generally its a new team member
learning curve thing and only happens once, as the "walk of shame"
proves too great for a repeat.
I'm intrigued with your meeting suggestion sand want to explore that
further - Thanks
David
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
SaffronGroupInternational.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I do use DropBox for sharing drawings and documents with clients (and
vice versa). I have even left DataCAD drawings in DropBox so that two
people could access the file (not at the same time); however, this
past week we lost a lot of work on a DataCAD file that way so will
not do that again even though my consultant said she saved the
drawing. Anyone else had that happen? Was that just dumb thing to try?
For On Line Meetings, I have used this to share my desktop with
others. It's free and fairly user friendly: https://www.freescreensharing.com/
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 12:12:45 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
>>>>
FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have
today to CYA.<<<<<<<
My favorite vintage drawing note has no leader at all. Rather, the
otherwise blank portion of a drawing of a piece of stonework simply
had the nicely calligraphed words "An Inscription" in it. The finished
product had a poem literally carved in stone. No CYA needed back then.
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 20, 2012 12:04:56 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
Yep.
Another fav of mine:
Callout for an amazing set of caryatids:
STATUE; SUBMIT MODEL
I like your poem one even better, tho.
These days, I do a lot that has open language, by intent. Usually
along the lines of: "XXXX, to be under art direction by YYYY"
I have books dating back to the late 1700s. Fun to browse. One of my
fav's was a turn-of-the-century book that taught students in school at
that time much of what they needed to know to do architectural
drafting at that time, from site planning through turn-over. In the
book was a wonderful set of plates of actual working drawings of a
nice house in the country. Site Plan thru all details.
Another textbook on my shelf has two sets of working drawings in it.
One for a small traditional house of the '40s. The other a more daring
modern beach house, with custom lgith fixtures and built-in furniture.
I've also worked restoring Victorian houses and on ships. Kewl
drawings. In truth, all these had FAR fewer notes than today's work.
Straight arrows would have required tools. T-Square for the horizontal
leg. The move T-Square, pick up and bring over a small triangle, align
it, draft raked leader. Take triangle away, back to its stowed spot.
Draft arrow.
You know, there are still a few great masters among us. I dig getting
to meet them and see their work. Now THOSE boys could DRAW.
Today's CAD Jockeys? Meh. Does nothin' for me.
Bitchin' renderings by the best of all eras, tho. However, that's a
whole 'nuther topic.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
//////////
> FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have today to CYA.
My favorite vintage drawing note has no leader at all. Rather, the
otherwise blank portion of a drawing of a piece of stonework simply
had the nicely calligraphed words "An Inscription" in it. The finished
product had a poem literally carved in stone. No CYA needed back then.
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From: Neil Blanchard <neil.bl...@verizon.net>
Date: May 20, 2012 2:04:30 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>>>
I need some HELP!
Just purchased a new computer with Windows 7.
I have Datacad 11, 12, and 13 . Tried loading on to the new computer
and none of the disks will boot?????
>>>>>>>>
As David suggested, if you open Windows Explorer (Windows Key / E) and
then double click on the CD drive. If the autorun still doesn't run
(it was programed for WinXP after all), then look for the Setup.exe
file on the CD and double click on that.
Sincerely, Neil
http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 3:01:25 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>As David suggested, if you open Windows Explorer (Windows Key / E) and then double click on the CD drive.<<<<<<<
You may also need to use the windows 7 option to "Run as
Administrator" on the setup file. Right click on the setup file, and
select that option from the menu that pops up.
Ted
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In this issue:
DBUG> Re: The Cloud
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> re-loading programs
DBUG> Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine Meeting
DBUG> re-loading programs
DBUG> RE: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine Meeting
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> Curved Leaders again
DBUG> re-loading programs
DBUG> re-loading programs
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:55:32 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: DBUG> Re: The Cloud
Love the idea in concept, but last year I taught an entry class in CAD
to high school students and did not get a response from DataCAD when I
enquired about student licenses so I don't know if the kid/student is
in their marketing plan(I was not persistent either though), but sure
seems like it should be. I was also involved a bit with the Robotics
team and they also use whatever they can get free or inexpensively. I
guess it's similar to getting people hooked on drugs - a little bit
free....wow, I love this stuff! Google SketchUp made is so easy with
their free version and AutoDesk did too with their free student
licenses even though only some students could load Revit due to the
computer requirements. If there could be another DataCAD light version
with some simple 3d features, seems like it could be marketable. Then
maybe you could also view more detailed AEC files from it too.
And related, did anyone look at the post that I referenced earlier
this week in the forum about inexpensive CAD programs on the AIA
knowledge based site?
http://network.aia.org/AIA/Discussions/ViewThread/?GroupId=187&MessageKey=a7
83045a-3527-47f9-b02c-a39c6ee4a307
>>>>>>I know an easy way for DataCAD to make money, by adding cloud features to the program. It's kind of like solar power and electric cars, wonderful in theory, but limited in practice. All this consist of really, is saving all of your settings, drawings, etc. out there in "the cloud" which can really just be servers through DataCAD's company of choice, giving people some free space (I think UdderCAD 360 has 3gig for free) and charging a lot for anything more and kids love the sound of it and with DataCAD being a not so intensive, bloated program, it just might work to gain new customers since young people move around from device to device." DataCloud" J What does everyone think about that? Regards, David Ramey<<<<
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
>I'm an Architect.>
Congratulations I new you could do it if you tried hard enough, BTW so
am I. They will let almost anyone be an architect if they can past the
test and give them enough money.
>Architectural drawings, historically, used curved leaders.>
Architectural drawings were also traditionally drawn with ink on
vellum, I haven’t done that since the 1970’s either. Then ink on mylar
with pen bar drafting, I haven’t done that since the late 1980’s.
>One important reason to do so has always been to differentiate the
leaders from the work to be built. Most work to be built is comprised
of straight lines. Curved leaders, properly drafted, CLEARLY are apart
from the rectilinear walls, windows, FFE, etc. They are part of the
annotation, not a part of the representation.>
If your drawings are clear and concise it doesn’t matter what kind of
leaders or arrows you use. Some people also like to use closed arrows
and some open, some with a 3:1 or greater aspect ratio and some with
1:1. It is a personal preference, it doesn’t matter. In 35 to 40
years of not using curved leaders, I have never had anyone confuse
them as part of the drawing.
>I will always draft curved leaders, unless FORCED to do tail-plus-
raked-line leaders.>
Good for you! I think you should draw your arrows exactly the way you
want to. After all they ARE your arrows.
>To MY eye, and I've been doin' this 40 years, straight leaders are
a hallmark of Mechanical Drafting, and CAD jockeys who were trained
under that track. Sure, I did the Mech track for a few years. But the
moment I hit the Architectural Track, in Eighth Grade, I shifted to
architectural curved-leaders, and never looked back.>
I have been doing this for over 40 years also and to MY eye, I don’t
see any correlation at all. I haven’t done any mechanical drafting
since the ninth grade (way more than 40 years ago, unfortunately). I
have never worked for an engineer but I have worked for several
architects that never used curved leaders.
>>Sidebar: I'm a student of scads of styles, and a nut for driving
even a thousand miles RT to see ORIGINAL drawings. I've personally
laid my eyes on some outstanding sets of original working drawings.
FLW, of course, Charles & Henry Greene (gorgeous original pencil
drawings of THREE ultimate bungalows on three different rare exhibit
ocassions), Isozaki, Gehry, Bucky, Neutra, Schindler, scads of
Modernists, and many greats of the Renaissance, etc. I've handled
scrolls 75 feet long lovingly laid down in multimedia by maestro Paolo
Soleri. And I've a mountain of books filled with amazing plates of
Working Drawings, from the Eiffel Tower down to humble Craftsman book
ends. I own a few rare books; one recent acquisition of a book that
featured working drawings set me back 300 clams; worth every penny and
a year of searching, finally traveling to San Francisco to purchase
the thing, cash-only.<<<<<<<
I once drove across town to see a monkey scratch his privates.
Actually that wasn’t the reason I drove over there but it was a funny
sidebar. Sounds to me like you have too much time on your hands, but
if it makes you happy, go for it.
>Leave us say I have an interest in such things.>
Leave us say I have no interest in such things at all, to each his
own.
>I draft curved-leaders. For sound reasons. Not arbitrary; not in
the least.>
I don’t care how you draw your leaders or why you draw them that way.
I merely responded to a post about using curves in smart leaders. If I
wanted to use curved leaders in smart arrows I could. The comment that
I don’t use curved leaders and haven’t seen them used in a long time
was more in the way of an observation. And I mainly put that in my
original post because Neil asked if any one was using them with smart
arrows. I really don’t care whether people use curved leaders or not,
unless they are working on my drawings. Then I expect them to use
company standards. I expect that this is a primary reason why many
architects went away from curved leaders to start with, so their
drawings would all be consistent.
But I do have a problem when someone insinuates that if someone else
doesn’t do things exactly like they do then they are somehow wrong.
They are ONLY wrong if they are working for your company and aren’t
following your companies standards.
Paul Nida
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From: James Horecka
Date: Friday, May 18, 2012
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
Well, I consider working drawings works of art.
Sure, art is in the eye of the beholder.
We'll agree to disagree.
I'll continue to drool over the finest sets of working drawings. Or,
shall I say, those I consider the best of the best.
By the way: I'm currently FORCED to draw broken-leader (straight-plus-
rake) leaders. What a drag.
However, whenever I can, on so many stand-alone assignments, I do
things the way I see fit.
Me, I'm more happy to never have any RFIs or Change Orders on
projects. Being also a pragmatist.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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From: SDES...@aol.com
Date: May 19, 2012 9:42:38 AM EDT
Subject: Re: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
Good luck.
BTW - You can use this Dropbox method for sharing ALL files not just
3D.
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David K. Sargert, LEED AP
>>>>>>>>
Really looking forward to trying this after I get proficient with 3d a
bit more! Thanks.
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Not too sure why I did not think of this before (perhaps I'm too late
with this information and you already "do it" ) but I just "dropped"
an o2cOBJECT.html and the Support File Folder in Dropbox for a bunch
of folks to view at the same time. I included a little
README1st.doc file to explain how to manipulate the Interactive Model
while we were all on a conference call spanning coast to coast.
I used Datacad for the Modeling and 3D Text and Saved out the OBJECT
in the o2c Viewer. I then opened it in o2c Interactive and then "File"
- - - PUBLISH TO THE WEB".
Previously I would have to send the *.html with a folder and "explain
to each and every team member the "how to's".................
Datacad - "The gift that keeps on giving................."
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David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
SaffronGroupInternational.com
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From: David Ramey <datac...@gmail.com>
Date: May 19, 2012 10:48:11 AM EDT
Subject: Curved Leaders again
Yes curved leaders are historical. I haven't personally seen FLW
drawings but have seen copies.
It may be time to move forward as straight arrows can be different
from the drawing itself too by controlling line weights and a nice
solid filled arrow head.
IMO the home the needs to be work of art and the plans easy to read.
Straight arrows traditionally have tails too but I wonder if that is
even necessary. So I'm giving thought to even keeping straight lines
into one line instead of two unless I need a Z.
FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have
today to CYA.
Dave
PS Im going to try to get the upgrade.
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Date: May 19, 2012 3:23:13 PM EDT
From: Anthony Masciarelli <lem...@optonline.net>
Subject: DBUG> re-loading programs
I need some HELP!
Just purchased a new computer with Windows 7.
I have Datacad 11, 12, and 13 . Tried loading on to the new computer
and none of the disks will boot?????
Any suggestions?
THANKS,
Anthony Masciarelli,
MASCIARELLI ARCHITECTS
77 Glenbrook Road / Suite 105
Stamford, CT 06902
203 324-6330
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From: Debbie at Sun Plans <deb...@sunplans.com>
Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine Meeting
To: SDES...@aol.com, dataca...@googlegroups.com
I do use DropBox for sharing drawings and documents with clients (and
vice versa). I have even left DataCAD drawings in DropBox so that two
people could access the file (not at the same time); however, this
past week we lost a lot of work on a DataCAD file that way so will
not do that again even though my consultant said she saved the
drawing. Anyone else had that happen? Was that just dumb thing to try?
For On Line Meetings, I have used this to share my desktop with
others. It's free and fairly user friendly:
https://www.freescreensharing.com/
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
>>>>>>>>>
BTW - You can use this Dropbox method for sharing ALL files not just
3D.
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:13:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>
I have Datacad 11, 12, and 13 . Tried loading on to the new computer
and none of the disks will boot?????
>>>>>>>
Humm.....have you gone into them via Windows explorer and started the
*.exe from there.?
Can you see the disk and it's contents ?
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Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
(http://www.saffrongroupinternational.blogspot.com/)
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From: SDES...@aol.com
Date: May 19, 2012 8:11:36 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> RE: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox, plus OnLine
Meeting
Sure she saved the drawings. The ORIGINALS................
Dropbox Files MUST BE COPIED.........Generally its a new team member
learning curve thing and only happens once, as the "walk of shame"
proves too great for a repeat.
I'm intrigued with your meeting suggestion sand want to explore that
further - Thanks
David
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David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
SaffronGroupInternational.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I do use DropBox for sharing drawings and documents with clients (and
vice versa). I have even left DataCAD drawings in DropBox so that two
people could access the file (not at the same time); however, this
past week we lost a lot of work on a DataCAD file that way so will
not do that again even though my consultant said she saved the
drawing. Anyone else had that happen? Was that just dumb thing to try?
For On Line Meetings, I have used this to share my desktop with
others. It's free and fairly user friendly: https://www.freescreensharing.com/
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 12:12:45 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
>>>>
FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have
today to CYA.<<<<<<<
My favorite vintage drawing note has no leader at all. Rather, the
otherwise blank portion of a drawing of a piece of stonework simply
had the nicely calligraphed words "An Inscription" in it. The finished
product had a poem literally carved in stone. No CYA needed back then.
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 20, 2012 12:04:56 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Curved Leaders again
Yep.
Another fav of mine:
Callout for an amazing set of caryatids:
STATUE; SUBMIT MODEL
I like your poem one even better, tho.
These days, I do a lot that has open language, by intent. Usually
along the lines of: "XXXX, to be under art direction by YYYY"
I have books dating back to the late 1700s. Fun to browse. One of my
fav's was a turn-of-the-century book that taught students in school at
that time much of what they needed to know to do architectural
drafting at that time, from site planning through turn-over. In the
book was a wonderful set of plates of actual working drawings of a
nice house in the country. Site Plan thru all details.
Another textbook on my shelf has two sets of working drawings in it.
One for a small traditional house of the '40s. The other a more daring
modern beach house, with custom lgith fixtures and built-in furniture.
I've also worked restoring Victorian houses and on ships. Kewl
drawings. In truth, all these had FAR fewer notes than today's work.
Straight arrows would have required tools. T-Square for the horizontal
leg. The move T-Square, pick up and bring over a small triangle, align
it, draft raked leader. Take triangle away, back to its stowed spot.
Draft arrow.
You know, there are still a few great masters among us. I dig getting
to meet them and see their work. Now THOSE boys could DRAW.
Today's CAD Jockeys? Meh. Does nothin' for me.
Bitchin' renderings by the best of all eras, tho. However, that's a
whole 'nuther topic.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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> FLW didn't have a computer or near as many notes as we have to have today to CYA.
My favorite vintage drawing note has no leader at all. Rather, the
otherwise blank portion of a drawing of a piece of stonework simply
had the nicely calligraphed words "An Inscription" in it. The finished
product had a poem literally carved in stone. No CYA needed back then.
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From: Neil Blanchard <neil.bl...@verizon.net>
Date: May 20, 2012 2:04:30 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>>>
I need some HELP!
Just purchased a new computer with Windows 7.
I have Datacad 11, 12, and 13 . Tried loading on to the new computer
and none of the disks will boot?????
>>>>>>>>
As David suggested, if you open Windows Explorer (Windows Key / E) and
then double click on the CD drive. If the autorun still doesn't run
(it was programed for WinXP after all), then look for the Setup.exe
file on the CD and double click on that.
Sincerely, Neil
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 20, 2012 3:01:25 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> re-loading programs
>>>>>>As David suggested, if you open Windows Explorer (Windows Key / E) and then double click on the CD drive.<<<<<<<
You may also need to use the windows 7 option to "Run as
Administrator" on the setup file. Right click on the setup file, and
select that option from the menu that pops up.
Ted
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