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In this issue:
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Creating Videos
DBUG> Roof Builder Tools
DBUG> how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> 3D - 3D Hatch Touchup Macro
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> SU Notice Regarding Transfer of License…Trimble
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> 3D - Slab Functions
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 20:06:32 -0700
From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
> face of stud dimensions makes sense to me...
I won't let the common abbreviation "F.O.F." onto any drawings I look
at. Does it mean "Face of Framing" or "Face of Finish"?
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 7, 2012 4:39:36 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
Not quite what I would have meant. We were talking about other
applications.
You would model a log or assuming they interlock in opposing ways, two
logs. You would do that at any level of detail required but all and
any rebates and checkouts would be easy to handle. Then, if you have
standard lengths copy as many times as necessary. And stretch these to
those lengths. If you don’t have standard lengths then just use the
basic forms and stretch them in place for each wall after placing.
Perhaps you have a different top and bottom log, whatever is required
model those too. Once the basic units are modelled save them as
Drawing Styles in Spirit.
Setup smart guidelines to reflect your layout. If you start with a
specially rebated base log, place those around the walls applying them
simply as a style object, likely you won’t use a different base.
Then do the layer of logs I suppose intermittently of the standard
type with checks one direction followed by the layer of those that do
it in the other direction. Take an appropriate view and globally copy
each vertically by their vertical width the number of times required
to reach wall height and if you use a different form of log for the
top plate drop that around from the same source. When finished ask
Pronto to do a schedule of all logs showing each type and each length
involved exactly. Stick that on the drawing and you are done.
Assuming the same form of log is used for each building you only have
to model each type once for your entire operation then use it for
every building. Use of these once committed to a drawing style is
faster than use of a symbol and more flexible. The key to overall
speed would lie in developing a consistent approach; working around
the building and laying up one form at a time the minimum number of
times necessary prior to copying multiple up. Where windows are cut in
obviously a particular log type with a different end is required and
copying multiple would stop in those areas to deal with that.
The approach is not perfect in that for example you cannot just
contour search walls to add linings or to form complex total wall
forms as you could otherwise in Spirit. Neither would windows and
doors drop into them creating openings. Internal linings could just
be dropped in (by contour search) as walls in themselves nominating
whatever is required, (furring or insulation and plaster sheet for
example) and these could be populated with opening and opening
elements offset to fill the log wall opening. These linings could be
measured in the way smart walls can. The log component would not be
understood as walls within the system but where you are likely to be
taking off logs as components rather than walls these are perhaps
minor negatives.
Essentially, while the rest of the system is smart the logs are not,
they are regularly used components but they can just as easily
contribute to flexible information gathering and take-offs. While I
use SU Pro I could not do it any smarter there and I would not have
anything like the other flexibility and accounting there.
In words it sounds complicated. In practice not.
DR:
>>>Yes, the way you described. In DataCAD with smart walls I could just let it not cut the corners and those in…
>>>I have no idea how to deal with Spirit as their English site is not as good as their German one, no dealers in the US…
They are Spirit International outside of Germany (based in the US.) I
am sure they would like to hear that their site is not up to scratch
for a perusing potential user. There is a time limited download but
beyond the basic use similar to DataCAD some of the other areas may
appear a little complicated and some hand holding may be necessary if
most are to achieve specialized output in the way you seek in the time
the free download has. No coding is necessary though.
>>> the interoperability between the two programs (Spirit & DataCAD) only goes back so far. I think Spirit will read *.dc5 files but not any *.aec files…
True. With your type of use you would probably not complicate transfer
with dcad smart walls anyway so that once a good translation of colour
and text has been sorted out .dwg could be used effectively.
In that you can produce standard logs in SketchUp and stretch easily
to suit, would that not be another method. Model the log part of the
home there and import to DataCAD for use around the other components
produced there?
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 7, 2012 8:21:33 PM PDT
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Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
>>>
This the standards and
expert loving place that only took 7 further years to decide,
hopefully with more good science, that what was now required was
actually exactly 35mm (+ or-) 1mm -
Bureaucratic cross-pollination. California being what it is, mandates
that the only acceptable pimples are those that have been tested and
approved by the lab with a contract to perform such testing and
inspections.
>>>
My father, who now uses a walker, (with little wheels) loathes and
detests the things because the bumps make it much more difficult to
navigate.
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 8, 2012 12:52:38 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
"Truncated Domes."
Yeah, now THAT is insanity at its finest!
Tell me, dear friends, how a sight-impaired bloke, or anyone for that
matter, can possibly discern the difference between a truncated dome
and a truncated cone, at that scale, in that location!
Madness.
I could tell a bushel of tales about these damned things, by the way.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
> This the standards and
> expert loving place that only took 7 further years to decide, hopefully with
> more good science, that what was now required was actually exactly 35mm (+
> or-) 1mm -
Bureaucratic cross-pollination. California being what it is, mandates
that the only acceptable pimples are those that have been tested and
approved by the lab with a contract to perform such testing and
inspections.
My father, who now uses a walker, (with little wheels) loathes and
detests the things because the bumps make it much more difficult to
navigate.
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 8, 2012 2:38:09 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
"Truncated Domes."
Yeah, now THAT is insanity at its finest!
<<<<<<<<<<<
Refugees from the DC subway system. Latest ADA rules send them back
there.
A former neighbor became blind. Nothing in that pair of sockets! He
learned to use the red and white cane for daily trips to the
neighborhood store. Before the county installed a somewhat melodious
audible system, he navigated the stop light on the sound of traffic.
The parking lot was the big challenge. There were no clues he could
follow until the store owner installed a stripe of lane marking tape
4" wide and less than 1/16" thick on the pavement. With that little
clue, he unerringly crossed the asphalt with a lot of confidence and
speed.
The street corner now has domes and a nasty new audible signal that
yells WAIT, followed by a peculiar ratatattat on the green light.
Improvements! Not really.
Ted
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From: SDES...@aol.com
Date: May 8, 2012 7:12:35 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Creating Videos
Thanks for this.
My last conversation with DH many years ago lead me to believe he was
"done" with Macro Development and on to other adventures. I'm sure by
now he's had many iterations of "done and moved on" since
then...............BUT , ya never know.............??? I would be very
interested in knowing what he's up to and will give him a shout.
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
SaffronGroupInternational.com
In a message writes:
An online search of the Telstra whitepages provides the phone# and
address of a D. Henderson
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:08:31 +0000
From: "McGinley, Steve" <Steve.M...@okdhs.org>
Subject: DBUG> Roof Builder Tools
I have version 2.6 of Roof Builder Tools and see on CheapTricks that
the current one available is ver 3.5.
Can anyone tell me what enhancements or improvements were made from
what I have to the current one?
Just wondering if I am missing some good stuff or not.
Steve McGinley
OKDHS Arch/Engr/Planning Unit
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:09:23 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: DBUG> how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill,
Blocker?
Just today I am going back through the postings with all of the videos
you have just posted. Incredible. Thank you so much for your time in
creating these. And another thanks to everyone else who added even
more tips and comments! I hope to review them in detail in the not
too distant future. I think the visual commands as I can see in your
videos are more user friendly in Spirit than in DataCAD. And while it
is a bit confusing with the different looks, I think the videos on
your website may be very useful for some training.
http://www.procadsys.co.nz/spirit-video-tutorials
1) In 3d- Do you have videos that show the interface (mainly export
from DataCAD or Spirit) with SketchUp and then examples of what is
done? (I've not been successful with this esp. with smart walls.)
2) In 2d -Do you know if it is possible to apply a scale (like we can
with the pattern hatches) to the SPB-Fill/Bitmap Fill in order to get
the image that we select (such as brick, shingles, etc)? I’ve
played around with this and can get some sort-of great looking
exteriors but the scale changes with the size of the area be hatched
so that a small area would have small brick and a large area, large
brick. Obviously not acceptable. With realistic textures, I think
this would greatly improve the 2d capabilities with communication and
maybe be a quick fix to those projects that are already in 2d (not 3d)
and have clients asking to see what the exterior would like without
having to work on the image in Photoshop or other such program. I’d
love to keep it all in DataCAD. Seems that it would be related to the
textures you can apply in 3d that don’t change in scale.
DATACAD, CAN YOU ADD THIS TO A WISH LIST?
3) Regarding area calc tools related to assembling data for energy
calcs, I cannot find Blocker that people keep mentioning - it's not in
my macros. Any ideas where to get it?
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
deb...@sunplans.com
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:39:14 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill,
Blocker?
I made the first movie in SPIRIT but all the rest are in DataCAD. (an
Elf gave me a temp license for this)
I have not used DC since v10 which is close to 10 years ago? so it is
all from memory that I am making the movies. I get messed up at times
in DC because I can do certain things in SPIRIT that I can't do in
DataCAD or I am not aware that they are there in DataCAD somewhere
now. This is a movie of things I believe DC should have that SPIRIT
has as they make a huge difference to productivity.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/8Bzc5hjO>
This is a movie that I made yesterday for a SketchUp user, it shows
how Imodel in SPIRIT then export to SketchUp but I think the DC export
of 3D will be different than this.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/MKCt01G3wqQ3>
If I get time I will make some DC movies for the export to SU and
hatch etc.
I had a quick look to the fills for hatch and the only setting that I
could find is to maintain the aspect ratio. What you need is a *Tile*
setting like SPIRIT has so that you can set the x and y dimensions.
Blocker may be able to be purchased from Evan Shu Cheaptricks? [Sorry,
CTW does not carry Blocker.]
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:39:14 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> 3D - 3D Hatch Touchup Macro
This movie shows hatch being added to a 3D roof and 2D elevations of
the roof.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/tKVA7X5r>
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:35:21 +0100
From: "Clayton" <Cla...@tandt.eclipse.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-
fill, Blocker?
Just watched your latest SPIRIT movies, excellent yet again & great
for learning. In my opinion, SPIRIT seems that way out in front in the
use of 3D, it hardly needs SU to help it with 3D construction, albeit
one could use SU to make presentation sketch work etc.
All the best,
Clayton.
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Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM
From: Jerome M Headley <jerry....@me.com>
Subject: DBUG> SU Notice Regarding Transfer of License…Trimble
Those of us with SU License(s) should read this from the SU website
regarding User License(s):
http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/usernotice.html
Take care
Jerry Headley
Architect
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-
fill, Blocker?
All Matthew's videos were done in DataCAD, except the first one.
3D in DataCAD is a breeze.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just watched your latest SPIRIT movies, excellent yet again & great
for learning. In my opinion, SPIRIT seems that way out in front in the
use of 3D, it hardly needs SU to help it with 3D construction, albeit
one could use SU to make presentation sketch work etc.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
Well, there are still some homes around here from the 1860’s that have
that same profile. We also have 2 more profiles, but the corners are
similar. The rafters, I just modeled as slabs and used the lift up
tilt up method and copy. That was all there was to that. It is the
same in both directions, but where there is a corner it steps back
half a log.
- --Just a few corrections. Spirit does have a 3D viewer which does or
can remain open while you work.--
I can’t do that in DataCAD 13 but I wonder if 14 does? It looks like
an automatic refresh could be added here without too much code work.
It would save a ton of time in doing 3D. It is still not the best
solution but would be better that way, and for everyone that don’t
want that, throw a toggle in to turn it on and off just in case. Just
like the square pick box vs. the round one we have now. I preferred
the square one because you could make it fairly large and make use of
the corners for fine work and for the easy stuff you still had the big
square. I think there should be a toggle for that too instead of
removing a feature because of discussion about how much better a
circle is in theory. Now I have to go in an change the circle size. I
guess I could come up with a keyboard macro to do that a little
quicker.
I think the automation could even be done in DataCAD if I had more
programming experience with the languages and had enough money and
time. A spreadsheet is a little language of its own that more people
understand right off the bat.
Since the developer can’t think of every single wall there is, SkethUp
Pro really looks good here, although not too many uses have been made
of it except for Google’s dynamic stairs. You just give it a set of
conditions pulled straight from the code book and if you raise or
lower the height finish floor to finish floor, it then readjusts the
stairs automatically. There is even a random number generator there
that could be used by some math wiz to create trees that are random
like they are in real life.
Right now shop drawings generally take me anywhere between a day and 3
days depending upon complexity, if things get changed when it gets to
that stage and so on. It’s like I want all of this stuff, but really
we don’t need it yet until things pick up to a point where we can hire
another person, I don’t think I want to work myself out of a job just
yet because we have a working system. All of our employees that are
left have 18 to 30 years of experience and they expect their shop
drawings to look like they always have. Things seem to be picking up
but with 5 million foreclosures in the US and maybe that many more to
come most of the boutique homes like log homes have disappeared since
we are going to be higher in price.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:02:05 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill,
Blocker?
> What do I need? SPIRIT or DataCAD / SketchUp / Artlantis (or vray,
> shaderlight, RenderIn, Indigo etc) PhotoImpact
>
SPIRIT / DataCAD to model and draw - construction docs.
SketchUp to model and render or a road to a render app - export to SU
export to Artlantis.
Artlantis for photo rendering.
PhotoImpact for image editing.
This is how is goes:
I model in SPIRIT 95% and even add textures to the model. SPIRIT has
Lightworks built into in for photo rendering. The lightworks result
is great but the render time is say 2 hours to process.
Export to SketchUp either add textures here or use the ones from
SPIRIT. Add detail / design in SU for the finished model.
Export an .atl file from SketchUp to Artlantis or use Vray / Indigo
etc for photorendering which work inside of SU. Artlantis processes
the render in 2 minutes! others are like Lightworks may take several
hours of computer time to process.
Edit the final images if required using PhotoImpact or Photoshop.
So here we have a bunch of apps all used for various purposes. Some
are better than others at certain things and not at others.
Here is an example:
A mechanic wants to remove a nut from a bolt. They have the option of
using a Crescent, Spanner, Ratchet and socket etc. The Crescent will
do the job but not the best solution as it may round off the nut. A
spanner will work but it is a bit of a slow method. A ratchet and
socket is good, fast and efficient. So all programs are made up from
Crescents, Spanners and ratchets :-) All I do is take the best from
each and use that.
Matt
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:03:39 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> 3D - Slab Functions
This movie shows the functions of Slabs.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/2ynvn2AH9ktB>
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:23:51 -0400
From: Robert Scott <scottreside...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-
fill, Blocker?
Well Put!!
On any given project I use multiple pieces of software....have for
years. The software doesn't define my work, it's simply a tool in my
hands.
Robert Scott
> So here we have a bunch of apps all used for various purposes. Some are better than others at certain things and not at others.
>
> Here is an example:
>
> A mechanic wants to remove a nut from a bolt. They have the option of using a Crescent, Spanner, Ratchet and socket etc. The Crescent will do the job but not the best solution as it may round off the nut. A spanner will work but it is a bit of a slow method. A ratchet and socket is good, fast and efficient. So all programs are made up from Crescents, Spanners and ratchets :-) All I do is take the best from each and use that.
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In this issue:
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Creating Videos
DBUG> Roof Builder Tools
DBUG> how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> 3D - 3D Hatch Touchup Macro
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> SU Notice Regarding Transfer of License…Trimble
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
DBUG> 3D - Slab Functions
DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill, Blocker?
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 20:06:32 -0700
From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
> face of stud dimensions makes sense to me...
I won't let the common abbreviation "F.O.F." onto any drawings I look
at. Does it mean "Face of Framing" or "Face of Finish"?
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 7, 2012 4:39:36 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
Not quite what I would have meant. We were talking about other
applications.
You would model a log or assuming they interlock in opposing ways, two
logs. You would do that at any level of detail required but all and
any rebates and checkouts would be easy to handle. Then, if you have
standard lengths copy as many times as necessary. And stretch these to
those lengths. If you don’t have standard lengths then just use the
basic forms and stretch them in place for each wall after placing.
Perhaps you have a different top and bottom log, whatever is required
model those too. Once the basic units are modelled save them as
Drawing Styles in Spirit.
Setup smart guidelines to reflect your layout. If you start with a
specially rebated base log, place those around the walls applying them
simply as a style object, likely you won’t use a different base.
Then do the layer of logs I suppose intermittently of the standard
type with checks one direction followed by the layer of those that do
it in the other direction. Take an appropriate view and globally copy
each vertically by their vertical width the number of times required
to reach wall height and if you use a different form of log for the
top plate drop that around from the same source. When finished ask
Pronto to do a schedule of all logs showing each type and each length
involved exactly. Stick that on the drawing and you are done.
Assuming the same form of log is used for each building you only have
to model each type once for your entire operation then use it for
every building. Use of these once committed to a drawing style is
faster than use of a symbol and more flexible. The key to overall
speed would lie in developing a consistent approach; working around
the building and laying up one form at a time the minimum number of
times necessary prior to copying multiple up. Where windows are cut in
obviously a particular log type with a different end is required and
copying multiple would stop in those areas to deal with that.
The approach is not perfect in that for example you cannot just
contour search walls to add linings or to form complex total wall
forms as you could otherwise in Spirit. Neither would windows and
doors drop into them creating openings. Internal linings could just
be dropped in (by contour search) as walls in themselves nominating
whatever is required, (furring or insulation and plaster sheet for
example) and these could be populated with opening and opening
elements offset to fill the log wall opening. These linings could be
measured in the way smart walls can. The log component would not be
understood as walls within the system but where you are likely to be
taking off logs as components rather than walls these are perhaps
minor negatives.
Essentially, while the rest of the system is smart the logs are not,
they are regularly used components but they can just as easily
contribute to flexible information gathering and take-offs. While I
use SU Pro I could not do it any smarter there and I would not have
anything like the other flexibility and accounting there.
In words it sounds complicated. In practice not.
DR:
>>>Yes, the way you described. In DataCAD with smart walls I could just let it not cut the corners and those in…
>>>I have no idea how to deal with Spirit as their English site is not as good as their German one, no dealers in the US…
They are Spirit International outside of Germany (based in the US.) I
am sure they would like to hear that their site is not up to scratch
for a perusing potential user. There is a time limited download but
beyond the basic use similar to DataCAD some of the other areas may
appear a little complicated and some hand holding may be necessary if
most are to achieve specialized output in the way you seek in the time
the free download has. No coding is necessary though.
>>> the interoperability between the two programs (Spirit & DataCAD) only goes back so far. I think Spirit will read *.dc5 files but not any *.aec files…
True. With your type of use you would probably not complicate transfer
with dcad smart walls anyway so that once a good translation of colour
and text has been sorted out .dwg could be used effectively.
In that you can produce standard logs in SketchUp and stretch easily
to suit, would that not be another method. Model the log part of the
home there and import to DataCAD for use around the other components
produced there?
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 7, 2012 8:21:33 PM PDT
Cc: dataca...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
>>>
This the standards and
expert loving place that only took 7 further years to decide,
hopefully with more good science, that what was now required was
actually exactly 35mm (+ or-) 1mm -
Bureaucratic cross-pollination. California being what it is, mandates
that the only acceptable pimples are those that have been tested and
approved by the lab with a contract to perform such testing and
inspections.
>>>
My father, who now uses a walker, (with little wheels) loathes and
detests the things because the bumps make it much more difficult to
navigate.
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 8, 2012 12:52:38 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
"Truncated Domes."
Yeah, now THAT is insanity at its finest!
Tell me, dear friends, how a sight-impaired bloke, or anyone for that
matter, can possibly discern the difference between a truncated dome
and a truncated cone, at that scale, in that location!
Madness.
I could tell a bushel of tales about these damned things, by the way.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
> This the standards and
> expert loving place that only took 7 further years to decide, hopefully with
> more good science, that what was now required was actually exactly 35mm (+
> or-) 1mm -
Bureaucratic cross-pollination. California being what it is, mandates
that the only acceptable pimples are those that have been tested and
approved by the lab with a contract to perform such testing and
inspections.
My father, who now uses a walker, (with little wheels) loathes and
detests the things because the bumps make it much more difficult to
navigate.
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Date: May 8, 2012 2:38:09 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
"Truncated Domes."
Yeah, now THAT is insanity at its finest!
<<<<<<<<<<<
Refugees from the DC subway system. Latest ADA rules send them back
there.
A former neighbor became blind. Nothing in that pair of sockets! He
learned to use the red and white cane for daily trips to the
neighborhood store. Before the county installed a somewhat melodious
audible system, he navigated the stop light on the sound of traffic.
The parking lot was the big challenge. There were no clues he could
follow until the store owner installed a stripe of lane marking tape
4" wide and less than 1/16" thick on the pavement. With that little
clue, he unerringly crossed the asphalt with a lot of confidence and
speed.
The street corner now has domes and a nasty new audible signal that
yells WAIT, followed by a peculiar ratatattat on the green light.
Improvements! Not really.
Ted
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From: SDES...@aol.com
Date: May 8, 2012 7:12:35 AM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Creating Videos
Thanks for this.
My last conversation with DH many years ago lead me to believe he was
"done" with Macro Development and on to other adventures. I'm sure by
now he's had many iterations of "done and moved on" since
then...............BUT , ya never know.............??? I would be very
interested in knowing what he's up to and will give him a shout.
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
SaffronGroupInternational.com
In a message writes:
An online search of the Telstra whitepages provides the phone# and
address of a D. Henderson
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:08:31 +0000
From: "McGinley, Steve" <Steve.M...@okdhs.org>
Subject: DBUG> Roof Builder Tools
I have version 2.6 of Roof Builder Tools and see on CheapTricks that
the current one available is ver 3.5.
Can anyone tell me what enhancements or improvements were made from
what I have to the current one?
Just wondering if I am missing some good stuff or not.
Steve McGinley
OKDHS Arch/Engr/Planning Unit
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:09:23 -0500
From: "Debbie at Sun Plans" <deb...@sunplans.com>
Subject: DBUG> how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill,
Blocker?
Just today I am going back through the postings with all of the videos
you have just posted. Incredible. Thank you so much for your time in
creating these. And another thanks to everyone else who added even
more tips and comments! I hope to review them in detail in the not
too distant future. I think the visual commands as I can see in your
videos are more user friendly in Spirit than in DataCAD. And while it
is a bit confusing with the different looks, I think the videos on
your website may be very useful for some training.
http://www.procadsys.co.nz/spirit-video-tutorials
1) In 3d- Do you have videos that show the interface (mainly export
from DataCAD or Spirit) with SketchUp and then examples of what is
done? (I've not been successful with this esp. with smart walls.)
2) In 2d -Do you know if it is possible to apply a scale (like we can
with the pattern hatches) to the SPB-Fill/Bitmap Fill in order to get
the image that we select (such as brick, shingles, etc)? I’ve
played around with this and can get some sort-of great looking
exteriors but the scale changes with the size of the area be hatched
so that a small area would have small brick and a large area, large
brick. Obviously not acceptable. With realistic textures, I think
this would greatly improve the 2d capabilities with communication and
maybe be a quick fix to those projects that are already in 2d (not 3d)
and have clients asking to see what the exterior would like without
having to work on the image in Photoshop or other such program. I’d
love to keep it all in DataCAD. Seems that it would be related to the
textures you can apply in 3d that don’t change in scale.
DATACAD, CAN YOU ADD THIS TO A WISH LIST?
3) Regarding area calc tools related to assembling data for energy
calcs, I cannot find Blocker that people keep mentioning - it's not in
my macros. Any ideas where to get it?
Sun Plans Inc.
Debbie Coleman, Architect, AIA, LEED Green Assoc.
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:39:14 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill,
Blocker?
I made the first movie in SPIRIT but all the rest are in DataCAD. (an
Elf gave me a temp license for this)
I have not used DC since v10 which is close to 10 years ago? so it is
all from memory that I am making the movies. I get messed up at times
in DC because I can do certain things in SPIRIT that I can't do in
DataCAD or I am not aware that they are there in DataCAD somewhere
now. This is a movie of things I believe DC should have that SPIRIT
has as they make a huge difference to productivity.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/8Bzc5hjO>
This is a movie that I made yesterday for a SketchUp user, it shows
how Imodel in SPIRIT then export to SketchUp but I think the DC export
of 3D will be different than this.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/MKCt01G3wqQ3>
If I get time I will make some DC movies for the export to SU and
hatch etc.
I had a quick look to the fills for hatch and the only setting that I
could find is to maintain the aspect ratio. What you need is a *Tile*
setting like SPIRIT has so that you can set the x and y dimensions.
Blocker may be able to be purchased from Evan Shu Cheaptricks? [Sorry,
CTW does not carry Blocker.]
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:39:14 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> 3D - 3D Hatch Touchup Macro
This movie shows hatch being added to a 3D roof and 2D elevations of
the roof.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/tKVA7X5r>
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:35:21 +0100
From: "Clayton" <Cla...@tandt.eclipse.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-
fill, Blocker?
Just watched your latest SPIRIT movies, excellent yet again & great
for learning. In my opinion, SPIRIT seems that way out in front in the
use of 3D, it hardly needs SU to help it with 3D construction, albeit
one could use SU to make presentation sketch work etc.
All the best,
Clayton.
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Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM
From: Jerome M Headley <jerry....@me.com>
Subject: DBUG> SU Notice Regarding Transfer of License…Trimble
Those of us with SU License(s) should read this from the SU website
regarding User License(s):
http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/usernotice.html
Take care
Jerry Headley
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-
fill, Blocker?
All Matthew's videos were done in DataCAD, except the first one.
3D in DataCAD is a breeze.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just watched your latest SPIRIT movies, excellent yet again & great
for learning. In my opinion, SPIRIT seems that way out in front in the
use of 3D, it hardly needs SU to help it with 3D construction, albeit
one could use SU to make presentation sketch work etc.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
Well, there are still some homes around here from the 1860’s that have
that same profile. We also have 2 more profiles, but the corners are
similar. The rafters, I just modeled as slabs and used the lift up
tilt up method and copy. That was all there was to that. It is the
same in both directions, but where there is a corner it steps back
half a log.
- --Just a few corrections. Spirit does have a 3D viewer which does or
can remain open while you work.--
I can’t do that in DataCAD 13 but I wonder if 14 does? It looks like
an automatic refresh could be added here without too much code work.
It would save a ton of time in doing 3D. It is still not the best
solution but would be better that way, and for everyone that don’t
want that, throw a toggle in to turn it on and off just in case. Just
like the square pick box vs. the round one we have now. I preferred
the square one because you could make it fairly large and make use of
the corners for fine work and for the easy stuff you still had the big
square. I think there should be a toggle for that too instead of
removing a feature because of discussion about how much better a
circle is in theory. Now I have to go in an change the circle size. I
guess I could come up with a keyboard macro to do that a little
quicker.
I think the automation could even be done in DataCAD if I had more
programming experience with the languages and had enough money and
time. A spreadsheet is a little language of its own that more people
understand right off the bat.
Since the developer can’t think of every single wall there is, SkethUp
Pro really looks good here, although not too many uses have been made
of it except for Google’s dynamic stairs. You just give it a set of
conditions pulled straight from the code book and if you raise or
lower the height finish floor to finish floor, it then readjusts the
stairs automatically. There is even a random number generator there
that could be used by some math wiz to create trees that are random
like they are in real life.
Right now shop drawings generally take me anywhere between a day and 3
days depending upon complexity, if things get changed when it gets to
that stage and so on. It’s like I want all of this stuff, but really
we don’t need it yet until things pick up to a point where we can hire
another person, I don’t think I want to work myself out of a job just
yet because we have a working system. All of our employees that are
left have 18 to 30 years of experience and they expect their shop
drawings to look like they always have. Things seem to be picking up
but with 5 million foreclosures in the US and maybe that many more to
come most of the boutique homes like log homes have disappeared since
we are going to be higher in price.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:02:05 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-fill,
Blocker?
> What do I need? SPIRIT or DataCAD / SketchUp / Artlantis (or vray,
> shaderlight, RenderIn, Indigo etc) PhotoImpact
>
SPIRIT / DataCAD to model and draw - construction docs.
SketchUp to model and render or a road to a render app - export to SU
export to Artlantis.
Artlantis for photo rendering.
PhotoImpact for image editing.
This is how is goes:
I model in SPIRIT 95% and even add textures to the model. SPIRIT has
Lightworks built into in for photo rendering. The lightworks result
is great but the render time is say 2 hours to process.
Export to SketchUp either add textures here or use the ones from
SPIRIT. Add detail / design in SU for the finished model.
Export an .atl file from SketchUp to Artlantis or use Vray / Indigo
etc for photorendering which work inside of SU. Artlantis processes
the render in 2 minutes! others are like Lightworks may take several
hours of computer time to process.
Edit the final images if required using PhotoImpact or Photoshop.
So here we have a bunch of apps all used for various purposes. Some
are better than others at certain things and not at others.
Here is an example:
A mechanic wants to remove a nut from a bolt. They have the option of
using a Crescent, Spanner, Ratchet and socket etc. The Crescent will
do the job but not the best solution as it may round off the nut. A
spanner will work but it is a bit of a slow method. A ratchet and
socket is good, fast and efficient. So all programs are made up from
Crescents, Spanners and ratchets :-) All I do is take the best from
each and use that.
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:03:39 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> 3D - Slab Functions
This movie shows the functions of Slabs.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/2ynvn2AH9ktB>
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:23:51 -0400
From: Robert Scott <scottreside...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: how-to 3d videos, SketchUp, Scaling 2d SPB-
fill, Blocker?
Well Put!!
On any given project I use multiple pieces of software....have for
years. The software doesn't define my work, it's simply a tool in my
hands.
Robert Scott
> So here we have a bunch of apps all used for various purposes. Some are better than others at certain things and not at others.
>
> Here is an example:
>
> A mechanic wants to remove a nut from a bolt. They have the option of using a Crescent, Spanner, Ratchet and socket etc. The Crescent will do the job but not the best solution as it may round off the nut. A spanner will work but it is a bit of a slow method. A ratchet and socket is good, fast and efficient. So all programs are made up from Crescents, Spanners and ratchets :-) All I do is take the best from each and use that.
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