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datacad-dbug-digest Monday, May 7 2012 Volume 2012 : Number
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In this issue:
DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Fwd 3D - 2D Walls to 3D Walls
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> 3D - Roof Tools Movie
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> Fwd Creating Videos
DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> Creating Videos
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
DBUG> 3D - 3D GoToViews
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> Creating Videos
DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 5, 2012 4:46:06 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
…I'd never be able to run via moving my mouse to menu buttons. That'd
drive me bonkers. Wayyyyyyy to cumbersome and slow.
But I absolutely understand the 'need' to do so for video/training
purposes…
Exactly. Matthew has explained elsewhere that he sees this as vital so
that all parties follow. Those of us who use the keyboard more don’t
need that step explained it is ingrained. I don’t know how he manages
it. I would probably take ages to find some of those icons and menu
items when a simple keyboard hit is all that is required. You will
note that sometimes and for very common keyboard work he will mention
what he is doing verbally. These include the likes of ‘u’ to refresh,
‘o’ to toggle orthagonal and “c” for copy but he rightly reasons that
each video should be narrowly focussed.
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 5, 2012 8:09:56 PM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
Totally understood.
Did plenty of training myself. Gotta do it long-hand. Oy vey, what a
pain in the tuckus! So slooooooow!
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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Subject: RE: DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
…I'd never be able to run via moving my mouse to menu buttons. That'd
drive me bonkers. Wayyyyyyy to cumbersome and slow.
But I absolutely understand the 'need' to do so for video/training
purposes…
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 5, 2012 5:36:41 PM PDT
Cc: "dataca...@googlegroups.com" <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
///////
SB 1608 is a multi-faceted approach that attempts to address the
problem of non-compliance in several ways, primarily by recognizing
the value of and promoting voluntary compliance and prevention." This
law certainly is well intended, but more expedient than accurate.////
A few years ago, I analyzed the results of a comprehensive survey of
polling place accessibility. More than 200 locations had defects, very
few were problem-free. Of those with architectural problems, maybe 3
or 4 were new enough to merit designer criticism (many retrofits were
accomplished by non-professionals). Construction defects in the
accessible path were the most frequent problem. That was closely
followed by grading and slopes that couldn't pass muster -civil
engineering issues.
As a planning commissioner, I have listened to public officials
defending proposed subdivisions submitted without provisions for
sidewalks. Streets are "maintained" with steeply pitched asphalt
overlays. Contractors and inspectors are all too eager to "git 'er
done" and miss the mark with outsize "tolerances".
Point is that contractors, public works departments and civil
engineers seem far less interested in or informed about accessibility
than the architects I know.
Ted
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 5, 2012 9:29:16 PM PDT
To: <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: DBUG> handicap
I said:
...Both turned out too little I thought to bother insurers with.
Interesting that we pay thousands every year for insurance for
decades. I wonder if,anybody elses ever gets used, because mine has
not. Thousands over decades. Still, I suppose the potential is
significant.
I really cannot see how it could be efficient to have a $10,000 cost
to a developer hanging on such a marginal call (that is whether or not
changes were substantial.) Multiplied across a whole society this must
make us very inefficient.
On another track assuming that we may all have a costly insurance
claim or two in a lifetime of practice (I don't know the odds on that}
as insurance is required here to practice, a couple major stuff ups in
an architects early career would effectively end that career as they
could not get re-insurance. At the end, well it wouldn't matter.
Hardly seems fair does it....
- --------
To take this a step further off OT and just to clarify. Until this
year Indemnity Insurance application forms which have to be filled in
every year would require us to note if any partner in the business had
ever had a claim (or even a notification of a possible claim) no limit
on time since that may have occurred. This year the form I brought in
carried a more onerous requirement. This asked if any person in the
firm (that is partner or not)
had ever had a claim made (or notification.) Thus the young architect
who unfortunately may make two serious claims at the beginning of
their career really could find their career ended as they could not
even find a job let alone run their own business. (Leastwise not in
private enterprise)
Short-sighted legislation again.
Fair legislation would simply say that every person must either be
insured or make it clear in writing to potential clients that they are
not or something along those lines. Buyer be informed and aware. Fair
laws are often not made because politicians see these as easy ways to
keep the heat off their backs which arises mostly from where a few
whinging home owners who did not make the effort to have a tight
contract with a shonky builder fall into trouble.
Shonky builders by one not necessarily reliable calculation of the
early
2000's were responsible for costs involving about 0.2% of total home
building costs in this state. Actually quite a lot and I doubt it
would be
that high but it still pales by comparison with the costs which have
been
imposed because of it. Far more rigorous code control both directly in
the
building code and by that code calling up greatly more standards
codes; a
stepping up of survellance for compliance, a stepping up of court
activity
in all these regards, increased insurance requirements, the growth by
legions in private building surveyors and the insertion of their role
by
edict into areas they previously were not involved, required further
education for all professions, trades and builders in the industry,
the
annual fees for registration of all actors in the building industry
(except
non-trade employees) including the professions and more not only for
residential work but ALL work, that includes vast volumes of work
which
previously had few problems. A huge cost impost eventually borne by
the
consumer and by all in that we have become that much less competitive.
The result: we still get people whinging that their home was not built
properly (often that is true they are not) this is taken up by media
and
cleverly sidestepped by politicians. Have those owners got a decent
contract? Do they have a good specification? Do they have a reputable
builder? Do they have a reputable draftsperson or an architect? Are
they
paying a reasonable amount for the building? Most of these questions
are
usually answered in the negative as far as I can see.
The professions and the building associations normally applaud this
tightening because they see themselves associated with better quality
and
this they believe is likely to even up the playing field. It may do
but at
what cost? Information is the first necessity of a free playing field.
Rules
and masses of edicts to be complied with is not information.
(Particularly
when the cost of access to building codes and all required standards
codes
can be prohibitive for all but the largest players in the industry, we
are
talking about thousands here and this requires regular upgrading - how
can
you expect a small builder to carry these? Why should you - we make
the
rules, if we cannot make those available so that everyone understands
their
obligation that should be our problem.)
Only 30 odd years ago you could build almost anywhere outside the
towns and
cities here and in any way you liked, no development application and
if a
building code applied nobody would ever have checked compliance and
nobody
would ever have lodged a building application. Did any of those
country
roofs ever fall on anybody's head? I did witness a couple that blew
off but
have never heard of anybody hurt. Even if there were a few casualties
is the
liberty, the joy of building your own place as you wish, the money
saved,
worth the loss?
As one that perhaps benefits marginally from more restrictive codes I
am not
one who wishes to. There are some primal inclinations which perhaps
are
better kerbed but building your own shelter is still something that
lurks
primally in most humans and that should be respected even where it
seldom
surfaces.
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From: James Horecka <jhore...@verizon.net>
Date: May 5, 8:07 pm
Subject: DBUG> handicap
To: DataCAD-DBUG
Cool stories, bro.
Actually, it's "all of the above" here.
"Some" (way too many) architects just not getting it. Despite
accessible design having been around in California since at least the
1970s, and really dating all the way back to the 1950s.
Building Plan Reviewers and Field Inspectors who had no clue. All too
common. Tho I've dealt with insane city officials, too, for sure.
Building owners and tenants who just don't give a sh*t. Common? Oh
yeah. You betcha.
Over-zealous attorneys, with dollar signs in their eyes.
Crooked or even well-intentioned persons who feel it's their duty to
call out every error of a fractional inch or 100th of a degree.
Here in California, bro, there are plenty of disabled persons using
electric mobility vehicles that have BUILT RIGHT INTO THEM digital
levels. Some carry with them other devices which measure stuff AND
record (log) said measurements. Cameras and video are now common, of
course, so every flaw that exists may be swiftly recorded to the nth
degree, captured, and then a lawsuit filed. Entire towns are sued at
once here. Believe it.
In my private practice, it would piss me off no end when i would come
into a BRAND NEW Shell & Core Office Building and find the core
facilities (entrance, path-of-travel, toilet rooms and more) to be
DEFICIENT in scads of ways. Sometimes to the point of the spaces being
flat-out too small, the only way to remedy them being to rip down
walls where the paint was hardly dry. The incoming Tenant, MY client,
would get hit with this. I'd have to field-measure all this crap,
document it, then engineer the solutions, deal with the jurisdictions,
on an on.
All, usually, because the goddam architect of record of this spanking-
new chic Class-A Office Building didn't give a sh*t about basic
compliance with access regulations. I mean, he's GOT to be a smart
chap: Just look at those pretty colors! So I must conclude that the
asshole just didn't CARE.
Thus SB 1608.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Date: May 6, 2012 1:30:25 AM PDT
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Subject: 3D - 2D Walls to 3D Walls
3D Walls method 1
This movie shows how you can create 3D walls from 2D lines and added
3D Windows and doors as well as make elevations.
Watch at http://www.screencast.com/t/dTUmjCtWJ4
Kind regards,
Matthew Cockroft
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Skype: matt_pcs
Ph : +64 7 848 2005
Mob: +64 27 484 7226
P O Box 15663
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 7:33:29 AM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
Yes, I pretty much have an interest in almost everything. And, I have
played with some ArchiCAD, and Revit demos. I feel like a one handed
boxer. We reuse certain components but even as I was trained in hand
drafting, I knew about programs like Bruning CAD from videos we were
shown that in school and I knew about AutoCAD from reading computer
magazines because that was my hobby back in the early 80,s. The first
home come computer I really got to set down and use, I stayed up all
night to learn how to make it draw a line back and forth using Basic
just by reading the book in one night. I was also developing hand
tremors that get worse with age, so I decided to get on the band wagon
and all I could as fast as I could or all of my work in school would
have been useless. At least some counted for something though. Even as
I first worked, I showed people AutoCAD drawings but at first ended up
with a T-square like I used in 8th grade Ag. Then I convinced them to
buy a Drafting machine and kept begging for a computer. A consultant
came by using DataCAD from Northern Virginia and I really wanted
AutoCAD but I also mentioned having if we just stuck with DataCAD and
that I could probably pick it up in a month. I then used DataCAD 4 to
do the drawings and found it to be faster for doing architectural work
but not civil or mechanical and it was fast because it only had single
precision which came back to haunt me later on and DataCAD actually
fixed that sort of.
Now Spirit may be called a BIM program but it doesn’t have all of the
features of Revit, ArchiCAD, and the biggest of all (AllPlan). All 3
of these would be great for skyscrapers. BIM seems just like a
buzzword. I find most drawing is really annotation. That takes the
most time for me. I find the 2 ½ D of the original DataCAD to still be
pretty good for the work our company does. OK, let’s say I want to use
DataCAD’s smart walls for log homes. We’ll I could do that, but would
have to take the time to rebuild every single corner. The only other
program that will do this without kludging everything is ArchiCAD with
Log Home Solutions altogether over $6000 even on sale but they also
have a monthly plan too.
The only problem I see for DataCAD LLC, is that they should and we
should make some sort videos. It takes no time at all and will
eventually gain a few customers even if it’s just in slide show
fashion with printed words. James H. has a ton on flickr and they are
very cool and simple if you have a camera. If DataCAD LLC had a
monthly plan, small businesses go for that since they can get unstuck
or struck and then the accountants like it better than a onetime fee
until the next upgrade. Do it once a month a give a company or person
the latest and greatest. Be flexible, some might to pay want every
quarter of the year for tax reasons.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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Date: May 6, 2012 8:56:17 AM PDT
From: Albert Jackman <abjde...@gmail.com>
Subject: DBUG> Re: Handicap
From a personal friend of mine that is very involved in these matters:
You always put the person first, not the disability. That’s why we
always say Joe has a disability. Joe has cerebral palsy. The Boating
& Beach Bash for People with Disabilities.
The word handicapped is really politically incorrect and all but
stricken from the vernacular. That being said, the rub comes from
handicapped parking spaces. That’s the last thing to change. I’m
working on it.
You don’t want to say the building is accessible to the handicapped…or
even the disabled. Instead say, the building is accessible to people
with disabilities. Never let the disability define the person or a
group of people. You can alternatively use the word challenged, as in
Joe hasphysical challenges due to his cerebral palsy. The Boating &
Beach Bash is for people withphysical or cognitive challenges. You can
also say intellectual challenges if you prefer. Here’s a video that
explains it all. http://videos.disabled-world.com/video/193/disability-awareness-terminology-guide
Skipp
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Date: May 6, 2012 9:16:06 AM PDT
From: Albert Jackman <abjde...@gmail.com>
Subject: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
Evertone should note that the dimensions given by the ADA compliance
docs are FINISHED dimensions. Remember this when designing spaces - I
have typical restrooms designed that I have as symbols. They are
designed with the drywall and tile included to make the restroom the
FINISHED dimension. I am very careful about this.
I had an inspector argue the finished dimensions in one commercial
project I designed. The approved plans had the ADA dimensions shown
but had not taken into account the tile and drywall. I got the city to
accept it the way it was built in that it was THEIR error in approving
it. I do not make that mistake again!
Skipp
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:06:10 AM PDT
Subject: DBUG> 3D - Roof Tools Movie
Thanks for all of the videos. I’m sure how much Roof Builder Tools
would do me, but if you are doing convention stuff I’m sure it would
be a tremendous time saver.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 14:53:33 -0500
From: "Paul Nida" <prn...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
It was NOT their error by approving it, it was yours for designing it.
The city has no liability and if somebody sues over it, your but will
be on the line not the cities. The fact that the city accepted it
doesn't make you less liable.
- -----
Evertone should note that the dimensions given by the ADA compliance
docs are FINISHED dimensions. Remember this when designing spaces - I
have typical restrooms designed that I have as symbols. They are
designed with the drywall and tile included to make the restroom the
FINISHED dimension. I am very careful about this.
I had an inspector argue the finished dimensions in one commercial
project I designed. The approved plans had the ADA dimensions shown
but had not taken into account the tile and drywall. I got the city to
accept it the way it was built in that it was THEIR error in approving
it. I do not make that mistake again!
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:13:37 AM PDT
To: "dataca...@googlegroups.com" <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Creating Videos
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS428&aq=1&oq=creating+videos&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=creating+videos+online
Not hard. Please show us some things that DataCAD 14 does that DataCAD
13 does not do that would save time and I’m sure DataCAD LLC would
make at least one sale. I think they ought to make time for that
especially since it doesn’t take much. I think I have RB tools.
Personally I would like to buy some more macros from Dave Henderson.
Those DH macros are great. I still use a combination of dhTEXT and
dcsprint, to label every log on our shop drawings. I might make a
video of that once things slow down. Right now I’m working on Sunday
to get some work out.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:17:55 AM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
- --There are probably 100 lawyers for every architect.--
Here there are probably a 1000 and I don’t want any trouble with that
and as they say what happens in California ends up in the rest of the
USA eventually and we build in many states.
- --How can that be improved upon?--
Just use the universal symbols that are recognized in all languages
and no words. We used to use HC but no more. So for parking lot
layouts, just but the symbol there. That is all that is on the newer
signs anyhow. The license plates in Virginia still say handicapped on
them. I see some lawsuits coming and there is no way I want go there.
Been there and it’s nasty.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 11:24:12 AM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
On 5/6/2012 8:17 AM, DR wrote:
Here there are probably a 1000 and I don’t want any trouble with that
and as they say what happens in California ends up in the rest of the
USA eventually and we build in many states.
The law in California allows legal fees plus "damages" set at a
minimum of $4,000, something the ADA does not.
Easy money explains the problem.
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 11:48:23 AM PDT
To: dataca...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
On 5/5/2012 9:29 PM, JAID wrote:
as insurance is required here to practice, a couple major stuff ups in
an architects early career would effectively end that career as they
could not get re-insurance. At the end, well it wouldn't matter.
Hardly seems fair does it....
Having this in the US might seem like a dream come true. My impression
is that the small customers for the insurance companies subsidize the
large ones, if for no reason other than "the odds": more volume = more
lawsuits = more encumbrance of the policy limit (generally same for
all firms sizes/project).
I realize it will never happen. Too many players have a financial
stake in keeping things just the way they are.
Ted
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Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:12:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: Handicap
This has been an interesting thread and I appreciate all the good and
insightful input. Here in TX we have to use a SPECIALTY CONSULTANT for
all things Accessible to confirm compliance with TAS. As one of the
new guys in the region, I contacted our good DBUG buddy and EZ Macro-
guru Oran Woody who introduced me to a real pro for a recent
project.
I send him the finished plans and he submits a report with his seal of
approval to the County or State. Cost was a small fraction of a % of
construction.
DBUG (it's MORE than a user group)
David
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 2:21:14 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Creating Videos
DR… Personally I would like to buy some more macros from Dave
Henderson. Those DH macros are great...
David’s macros are terrific. Unfortunately he gave up this macro
writing and closed his site many, many moons ago. As I understand it
he did not even pass them on to Cheap Tricks (or anywhere else) for
future sales so that those of us who have them are standout fortunate.
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 2:39:03 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
True, all the applications mentioned have different levels of BIM
implementation. Each have IFC so can build and interchange useful data
but the depth of their IFC development does vary.
I agree BIM is just a marketeers self-indulgence. It attempts to take
ownership of where all CAD has the potential to, had to or has to go
anyway. It involves inputting data once for re-use in any number of
ways as may be useful or necessary and it involves the carriage of a
depth of information which relates to known components or types of
elements not just what can be depicted by putting together dumb
graphic elements such as lines.
You mentioned that none can handle logs due to their corners. I think
in Spirit you would handle those building individually using drawing
styles. If you have set lengths that can easily be incorporated
otherwise you would stack then stretch overall to suit. Without
knowing exactly how your things work I am certain it would be easy.
Likely other sophisticated applications could do this also with
coding.
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Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:05:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
Tru dat.
Again, as a fellow who's done professional Peer Review fordecades, I
can't tell you how many times I've seen such dimensions pulled from
face-of-stud rather than face-of-finish.
Seriously, I routinely come across toilet rooms that are 6" too
narrow, even up to two feet too short!
Why? Idiots.
Note that KIDS are often stuck with drafting terlit rooms and,
especially, interior elevations of same. The total CRAP that I've seen
in Con Docs for Interior Elevations of these spaces over the years
just blows my mind. And I assure you, it's MUCH worse with CAD than it
ever was with pencil.
James Horecka, AIAmArchitect
/////It was NOT their error by approving it, it was yours for
designing it. The city has no liability and if somebody sues over it,
your but will be on the line not the cities. The fact that the city
accepted it doesn't make you less liable///
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:17:01 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
This movie shows the ability to use a tangent cursor in 3D. If there
wasn't the ability for this then when I stretch the fascia in the
movie I would have had to work out the angle for the stretch and this
is not always easy to do if you do not know or remember what the
original angle was.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/OqQ28ZdNe4j>
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Subject: DBUG> 3D - 3D GoToViews
This movie shows using GoToViews to navigate the model.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/HDmMs6BujHj>
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 5:39:24 PM PDT
To: "dataca...@googlegroups.com" <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: Handicap
On 5/6/2012 3:12 PM, SDES...@aol.com wrote:
This has been an interesting thread and I appreciate all the good and
insightful input.
I have also appreciated getting the perspective from near and far.
Mid-thread, my half scot cousin, sent an appropriate cartoon.
Ted
<scotsman.jpg>
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 10:26:40 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> handicap
Just saw you photgraph, the street corner to nowhere, Ted. Beautiful.
To think I could have missed it.
http://datacad-dbug.googlegroups.com/attach/db2d4837f859afbc/nowhere+2011.jpg?view=1&part=2&hl=en&gsc=7N3uMwsAAACyY7gvLQJOo_XdxqV2jvAr
Situation and all other issues asside does the size, position and
perhaps 'texture' and colour contrast of the tactile indicator really
comply under US standards?
It would certainly be problematic here where we have expertly
brought 'science' to bear and specified in 2002 (AS1428.4) that the
diameter of tactile indicator 'buttons' must be to a tolerance of
(+or-) 1mm, thats 50mm (+or-) 1mm with a 15mm (+or-) 1mm gap between
them. This the standards and expert loving place that only took 7
further years to decide, hopefully with more good science, that what
was now required was actually exactly 35mm (+ or-) 1mm - almost as
humorous in reverse as your street corner, Ted.
(For those that don't know what a millimeter is, that is a whiff, a
mouse's whisker, a fleas dick. Is it hard to understand why some
building surveyors with common sense may overlook a few millimetres
here or there? And that is not in anyway to excuse the laughable
street corner)
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:30:46 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Re: Handicap
TB wrote: ...Mid-thread, my half scot cousin, sent an appropriate
cartoon...
:-) I am a bit slow (maybe short sighed too) Ted, my immediate thought
was of Scottish brags and those flys on French urinals.
Ian
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:48:05 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Creating Videos
J If we keep this up we may create a lucretive second hand market in
legendary macros, David.
DKS wrote:
Amen - DH.................another legend
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DR… Personally I would like to buy some more macros from Dave
Henderson. Those DH macros are great...
David’s macros are terrific. Unfortunately he gave up this macro
writing and closed his site many, many moons ago. As I understand it
he did not even pass them on to Cheap Tricks (or anywhere else) for
future sales so that those of us who have them are standout fortunate.
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:12:00 +1000
From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Subject: RE: DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
All,
For any who have not got around to using 3D within their
application, Matthew in a few quick videos has managed to outline, no,
more than that, largely cover sufficient areas so that you should be
able to see how easy and valuable it is to produce largely 3-
dimensional work when desired.
It should be obvious that there are things which these techniques
can achieve which would take much longer to derive by geometry or
math.
Importantly Matthew has looked at how you can manipulate your 3D
material and move around it. The editing tools, the basic 3D forms and
the views work in unison.
Nobody would suggest that there are not many other elements which
could be discussed but the areas covered in just these videos provide
a working toolset which added to the slabs and basic primitives make
the ease and breadth available obvious and accessible. The latter are
all fairly self- explanatory in general use. Add the smart stuff and
some detail here and there and you have it.
Easy tools that a bit of practice will have you choosing appropriately
and using to cut time out of your work.
I am sure that those few straightforward videos should take all the
anxiety out of using 3D tools, much moreso than all the talk that I
and others may have come up with over the last couple decades.
Ian
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MC wrote:
This movie shows the ability to use a tangent cursor in 3D. If there
wasn't
the ability for this then when I stretch the fascia in the movie I
would
have had to work out the angle for the stretch and this is not always
easy
to do if you do not know or remember what the original angle was.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/OqQ28ZdNe4j>
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:09:20 -0400
From: Robert Scott <scottreside...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
JH Again, as a fellow who's done professional Peer Review for decades,
I can't
tell you how many times I've seen such dimensions pulled from face-of-
stud
rather than face-of-finish.////
Hmmm...face of stud dimensions makes sense to me...get the studs
located in
the correct location and it's pretty hard to mess up the location of
the finishes. The architect certainly needs to consider finishes and
account for inconsistent thickness of some finishes (tile for example
or mudded corners of drywall) but to the guy banging out the studs
this should be of no concern.
IMO,
Robert Scott
/////It was NOT their error by approving it, it was yours for
designing it. The city has no liability and if somebody sues over it,
your but will be on the line not the cities. The fact that the city
accepted it doesn't
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From: "Paul Nida" <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: May 7, 2012 7:26:43 AM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
True, they build it from the stud dimensions. You just have to make
sure these dimensions take into account the finish thickness as well
as the ADA dimensions. Even then there is no guarantee that it will be
built right.
//////////
Hmmm...face of stud dimensions makes sense to me...get the studs
located in the correct location and it's pretty hard to mess up the
location of the finishes. The architect certainly needs to consider
finishes and account for inconsistent thickness of some finishes (tile
for example or mudded corners of drywall) but to the guy banging out
the studs this should be of no concern.
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In this issue:
DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Fwd 3D - 2D Walls to 3D Walls
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> 3D - Roof Tools Movie
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> Fwd Creating Videos
DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> Creating Videos
DBUG> Trimble & SU
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
DBUG> 3D - 3D GoToViews
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> handicap
DBUG> Re: Handicap
DBUG> Creating Videos
DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 5, 2012 4:46:06 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
…I'd never be able to run via moving my mouse to menu buttons. That'd
drive me bonkers. Wayyyyyyy to cumbersome and slow.
But I absolutely understand the 'need' to do so for video/training
purposes…
Exactly. Matthew has explained elsewhere that he sees this as vital so
that all parties follow. Those of us who use the keyboard more don’t
need that step explained it is ingrained. I don’t know how he manages
it. I would probably take ages to find some of those icons and menu
items when a simple keyboard hit is all that is required. You will
note that sometimes and for very common keyboard work he will mention
what he is doing verbally. These include the likes of ‘u’ to refresh,
‘o’ to toggle orthagonal and “c” for copy but he rightly reasons that
each video should be narrowly focussed.
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 5, 2012 8:09:56 PM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
Totally understood.
Did plenty of training myself. Gotta do it long-hand. Oy vey, what a
pain in the tuckus! So slooooooow!
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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Subject: RE: DBUG> 3D - 3dtools - Kaboom
…I'd never be able to run via moving my mouse to menu buttons. That'd
drive me bonkers. Wayyyyyyy to cumbersome and slow.
But I absolutely understand the 'need' to do so for video/training
purposes…
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 5, 2012 5:36:41 PM PDT
Cc: "dataca...@googlegroups.com" <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
///////
SB 1608 is a multi-faceted approach that attempts to address the
problem of non-compliance in several ways, primarily by recognizing
the value of and promoting voluntary compliance and prevention." This
law certainly is well intended, but more expedient than accurate.////
A few years ago, I analyzed the results of a comprehensive survey of
polling place accessibility. More than 200 locations had defects, very
few were problem-free. Of those with architectural problems, maybe 3
or 4 were new enough to merit designer criticism (many retrofits were
accomplished by non-professionals). Construction defects in the
accessible path were the most frequent problem. That was closely
followed by grading and slopes that couldn't pass muster -civil
engineering issues.
As a planning commissioner, I have listened to public officials
defending proposed subdivisions submitted without provisions for
sidewalks. Streets are "maintained" with steeply pitched asphalt
overlays. Contractors and inspectors are all too eager to "git 'er
done" and miss the mark with outsize "tolerances".
Point is that contractors, public works departments and civil
engineers seem far less interested in or informed about accessibility
than the architects I know.
Ted
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 5, 2012 9:29:16 PM PDT
To: <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: DBUG> handicap
I said:
...Both turned out too little I thought to bother insurers with.
Interesting that we pay thousands every year for insurance for
decades. I wonder if,anybody elses ever gets used, because mine has
not. Thousands over decades. Still, I suppose the potential is
significant.
I really cannot see how it could be efficient to have a $10,000 cost
to a developer hanging on such a marginal call (that is whether or not
changes were substantial.) Multiplied across a whole society this must
make us very inefficient.
On another track assuming that we may all have a costly insurance
claim or two in a lifetime of practice (I don't know the odds on that}
as insurance is required here to practice, a couple major stuff ups in
an architects early career would effectively end that career as they
could not get re-insurance. At the end, well it wouldn't matter.
Hardly seems fair does it....
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To take this a step further off OT and just to clarify. Until this
year Indemnity Insurance application forms which have to be filled in
every year would require us to note if any partner in the business had
ever had a claim (or even a notification of a possible claim) no limit
on time since that may have occurred. This year the form I brought in
carried a more onerous requirement. This asked if any person in the
firm (that is partner or not)
had ever had a claim made (or notification.) Thus the young architect
who unfortunately may make two serious claims at the beginning of
their career really could find their career ended as they could not
even find a job let alone run their own business. (Leastwise not in
private enterprise)
Short-sighted legislation again.
Fair legislation would simply say that every person must either be
insured or make it clear in writing to potential clients that they are
not or something along those lines. Buyer be informed and aware. Fair
laws are often not made because politicians see these as easy ways to
keep the heat off their backs which arises mostly from where a few
whinging home owners who did not make the effort to have a tight
contract with a shonky builder fall into trouble.
Shonky builders by one not necessarily reliable calculation of the
early
2000's were responsible for costs involving about 0.2% of total home
building costs in this state. Actually quite a lot and I doubt it
would be
that high but it still pales by comparison with the costs which have
been
imposed because of it. Far more rigorous code control both directly in
the
building code and by that code calling up greatly more standards
codes; a
stepping up of survellance for compliance, a stepping up of court
activity
in all these regards, increased insurance requirements, the growth by
legions in private building surveyors and the insertion of their role
by
edict into areas they previously were not involved, required further
education for all professions, trades and builders in the industry,
the
annual fees for registration of all actors in the building industry
(except
non-trade employees) including the professions and more not only for
residential work but ALL work, that includes vast volumes of work
which
previously had few problems. A huge cost impost eventually borne by
the
consumer and by all in that we have become that much less competitive.
The result: we still get people whinging that their home was not built
properly (often that is true they are not) this is taken up by media
and
cleverly sidestepped by politicians. Have those owners got a decent
contract? Do they have a good specification? Do they have a reputable
builder? Do they have a reputable draftsperson or an architect? Are
they
paying a reasonable amount for the building? Most of these questions
are
usually answered in the negative as far as I can see.
The professions and the building associations normally applaud this
tightening because they see themselves associated with better quality
and
this they believe is likely to even up the playing field. It may do
but at
what cost? Information is the first necessity of a free playing field.
Rules
and masses of edicts to be complied with is not information.
(Particularly
when the cost of access to building codes and all required standards
codes
can be prohibitive for all but the largest players in the industry, we
are
talking about thousands here and this requires regular upgrading - how
can
you expect a small builder to carry these? Why should you - we make
the
rules, if we cannot make those available so that everyone understands
their
obligation that should be our problem.)
Only 30 odd years ago you could build almost anywhere outside the
towns and
cities here and in any way you liked, no development application and
if a
building code applied nobody would ever have checked compliance and
nobody
would ever have lodged a building application. Did any of those
country
roofs ever fall on anybody's head? I did witness a couple that blew
off but
have never heard of anybody hurt. Even if there were a few casualties
is the
liberty, the joy of building your own place as you wish, the money
saved,
worth the loss?
As one that perhaps benefits marginally from more restrictive codes I
am not
one who wishes to. There are some primal inclinations which perhaps
are
better kerbed but building your own shelter is still something that
lurks
primally in most humans and that should be respected even where it
seldom
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From: James Horecka <jhore...@verizon.net>
Date: May 5, 8:07 pm
Subject: DBUG> handicap
To: DataCAD-DBUG
Cool stories, bro.
Actually, it's "all of the above" here.
"Some" (way too many) architects just not getting it. Despite
accessible design having been around in California since at least the
1970s, and really dating all the way back to the 1950s.
Building Plan Reviewers and Field Inspectors who had no clue. All too
common. Tho I've dealt with insane city officials, too, for sure.
Building owners and tenants who just don't give a sh*t. Common? Oh
yeah. You betcha.
Over-zealous attorneys, with dollar signs in their eyes.
Crooked or even well-intentioned persons who feel it's their duty to
call out every error of a fractional inch or 100th of a degree.
Here in California, bro, there are plenty of disabled persons using
electric mobility vehicles that have BUILT RIGHT INTO THEM digital
levels. Some carry with them other devices which measure stuff AND
record (log) said measurements. Cameras and video are now common, of
course, so every flaw that exists may be swiftly recorded to the nth
degree, captured, and then a lawsuit filed. Entire towns are sued at
once here. Believe it.
In my private practice, it would piss me off no end when i would come
into a BRAND NEW Shell & Core Office Building and find the core
facilities (entrance, path-of-travel, toilet rooms and more) to be
DEFICIENT in scads of ways. Sometimes to the point of the spaces being
flat-out too small, the only way to remedy them being to rip down
walls where the paint was hardly dry. The incoming Tenant, MY client,
would get hit with this. I'd have to field-measure all this crap,
document it, then engineer the solutions, deal with the jurisdictions,
on an on.
All, usually, because the goddam architect of record of this spanking-
new chic Class-A Office Building didn't give a sh*t about basic
compliance with access regulations. I mean, he's GOT to be a smart
chap: Just look at those pretty colors! So I must conclude that the
asshole just didn't CARE.
Thus SB 1608.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
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Date: May 6, 2012 1:30:25 AM PDT
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Subject: 3D - 2D Walls to 3D Walls
3D Walls method 1
This movie shows how you can create 3D walls from 2D lines and added
3D Windows and doors as well as make elevations.
Watch at http://www.screencast.com/t/dTUmjCtWJ4
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 7:33:29 AM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
Yes, I pretty much have an interest in almost everything. And, I have
played with some ArchiCAD, and Revit demos. I feel like a one handed
boxer. We reuse certain components but even as I was trained in hand
drafting, I knew about programs like Bruning CAD from videos we were
shown that in school and I knew about AutoCAD from reading computer
magazines because that was my hobby back in the early 80,s. The first
home come computer I really got to set down and use, I stayed up all
night to learn how to make it draw a line back and forth using Basic
just by reading the book in one night. I was also developing hand
tremors that get worse with age, so I decided to get on the band wagon
and all I could as fast as I could or all of my work in school would
have been useless. At least some counted for something though. Even as
I first worked, I showed people AutoCAD drawings but at first ended up
with a T-square like I used in 8th grade Ag. Then I convinced them to
buy a Drafting machine and kept begging for a computer. A consultant
came by using DataCAD from Northern Virginia and I really wanted
AutoCAD but I also mentioned having if we just stuck with DataCAD and
that I could probably pick it up in a month. I then used DataCAD 4 to
do the drawings and found it to be faster for doing architectural work
but not civil or mechanical and it was fast because it only had single
precision which came back to haunt me later on and DataCAD actually
fixed that sort of.
Now Spirit may be called a BIM program but it doesn’t have all of the
features of Revit, ArchiCAD, and the biggest of all (AllPlan). All 3
of these would be great for skyscrapers. BIM seems just like a
buzzword. I find most drawing is really annotation. That takes the
most time for me. I find the 2 ½ D of the original DataCAD to still be
pretty good for the work our company does. OK, let’s say I want to use
DataCAD’s smart walls for log homes. We’ll I could do that, but would
have to take the time to rebuild every single corner. The only other
program that will do this without kludging everything is ArchiCAD with
Log Home Solutions altogether over $6000 even on sale but they also
have a monthly plan too.
The only problem I see for DataCAD LLC, is that they should and we
should make some sort videos. It takes no time at all and will
eventually gain a few customers even if it’s just in slide show
fashion with printed words. James H. has a ton on flickr and they are
very cool and simple if you have a camera. If DataCAD LLC had a
monthly plan, small businesses go for that since they can get unstuck
or struck and then the accountants like it better than a onetime fee
until the next upgrade. Do it once a month a give a company or person
the latest and greatest. Be flexible, some might to pay want every
quarter of the year for tax reasons.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
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From: Albert Jackman <abjde...@gmail.com>
Subject: DBUG> Re: Handicap
From a personal friend of mine that is very involved in these matters:
You always put the person first, not the disability. That’s why we
always say Joe has a disability. Joe has cerebral palsy. The Boating
& Beach Bash for People with Disabilities.
The word handicapped is really politically incorrect and all but
stricken from the vernacular. That being said, the rub comes from
handicapped parking spaces. That’s the last thing to change. I’m
working on it.
You don’t want to say the building is accessible to the handicapped…or
even the disabled. Instead say, the building is accessible to people
with disabilities. Never let the disability define the person or a
group of people. You can alternatively use the word challenged, as in
Joe hasphysical challenges due to his cerebral palsy. The Boating &
Beach Bash is for people withphysical or cognitive challenges. You can
also say intellectual challenges if you prefer. Here’s a video that
explains it all. http://videos.disabled-world.com/video/193/disability-awareness-terminology-guide
Skipp
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Date: May 6, 2012 9:16:06 AM PDT
From: Albert Jackman <abjde...@gmail.com>
Subject: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
Evertone should note that the dimensions given by the ADA compliance
docs are FINISHED dimensions. Remember this when designing spaces - I
have typical restrooms designed that I have as symbols. They are
designed with the drywall and tile included to make the restroom the
FINISHED dimension. I am very careful about this.
I had an inspector argue the finished dimensions in one commercial
project I designed. The approved plans had the ADA dimensions shown
but had not taken into account the tile and drywall. I got the city to
accept it the way it was built in that it was THEIR error in approving
it. I do not make that mistake again!
Skipp
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:06:10 AM PDT
Subject: DBUG> 3D - Roof Tools Movie
Thanks for all of the videos. I’m sure how much Roof Builder Tools
would do me, but if you are doing convention stuff I’m sure it would
be a tremendous time saver.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
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Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 14:53:33 -0500
From: "Paul Nida" <prn...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
It was NOT their error by approving it, it was yours for designing it.
The city has no liability and if somebody sues over it, your but will
be on the line not the cities. The fact that the city accepted it
doesn't make you less liable.
- -----
Evertone should note that the dimensions given by the ADA compliance
docs are FINISHED dimensions. Remember this when designing spaces - I
have typical restrooms designed that I have as symbols. They are
designed with the drywall and tile included to make the restroom the
FINISHED dimension. I am very careful about this.
I had an inspector argue the finished dimensions in one commercial
project I designed. The approved plans had the ADA dimensions shown
but had not taken into account the tile and drywall. I got the city to
accept it the way it was built in that it was THEIR error in approving
it. I do not make that mistake again!
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:13:37 AM PDT
To: "dataca...@googlegroups.com" <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Creating Videos
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS428&aq=1&oq=creating+videos&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=creating+videos+online
Not hard. Please show us some things that DataCAD 14 does that DataCAD
13 does not do that would save time and I’m sure DataCAD LLC would
make at least one sale. I think they ought to make time for that
especially since it doesn’t take much. I think I have RB tools.
Personally I would like to buy some more macros from Dave Henderson.
Those DH macros are great. I still use a combination of dhTEXT and
dcsprint, to label every log on our shop drawings. I might make a
video of that once things slow down. Right now I’m working on Sunday
to get some work out.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:17:55 AM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
- --There are probably 100 lawyers for every architect.--
Here there are probably a 1000 and I don’t want any trouble with that
and as they say what happens in California ends up in the rest of the
USA eventually and we build in many states.
- --How can that be improved upon?--
Just use the universal symbols that are recognized in all languages
and no words. We used to use HC but no more. So for parking lot
layouts, just but the symbol there. That is all that is on the newer
signs anyhow. The license plates in Virginia still say handicapped on
them. I see some lawsuits coming and there is no way I want go there.
Been there and it’s nasty.
Regards,
David Ramey
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 11:24:12 AM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> NY handicap accessibility
On 5/6/2012 8:17 AM, DR wrote:
Here there are probably a 1000 and I don’t want any trouble with that
and as they say what happens in California ends up in the rest of the
USA eventually and we build in many states.
The law in California allows legal fees plus "damages" set at a
minimum of $4,000, something the ADA does not.
Easy money explains the problem.
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 11:48:23 AM PDT
To: dataca...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> handicap
On 5/5/2012 9:29 PM, JAID wrote:
as insurance is required here to practice, a couple major stuff ups in
an architects early career would effectively end that career as they
could not get re-insurance. At the end, well it wouldn't matter.
Hardly seems fair does it....
Having this in the US might seem like a dream come true. My impression
is that the small customers for the insurance companies subsidize the
large ones, if for no reason other than "the odds": more volume = more
lawsuits = more encumbrance of the policy limit (generally same for
all firms sizes/project).
I realize it will never happen. Too many players have a financial
stake in keeping things just the way they are.
Ted
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Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:12:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: Handicap
This has been an interesting thread and I appreciate all the good and
insightful input. Here in TX we have to use a SPECIALTY CONSULTANT for
all things Accessible to confirm compliance with TAS. As one of the
new guys in the region, I contacted our good DBUG buddy and EZ Macro-
guru Oran Woody who introduced me to a real pro for a recent
project.
I send him the finished plans and he submits a report with his seal of
approval to the County or State. Cost was a small fraction of a % of
construction.
DBUG (it's MORE than a user group)
David
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 2:21:14 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Creating Videos
DR… Personally I would like to buy some more macros from Dave
Henderson. Those DH macros are great...
David’s macros are terrific. Unfortunately he gave up this macro
writing and closed his site many, many moons ago. As I understand it
he did not even pass them on to Cheap Tricks (or anywhere else) for
future sales so that those of us who have them are standout fortunate.
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 2:39:03 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Trimble & SU
True, all the applications mentioned have different levels of BIM
implementation. Each have IFC so can build and interchange useful data
but the depth of their IFC development does vary.
I agree BIM is just a marketeers self-indulgence. It attempts to take
ownership of where all CAD has the potential to, had to or has to go
anyway. It involves inputting data once for re-use in any number of
ways as may be useful or necessary and it involves the carriage of a
depth of information which relates to known components or types of
elements not just what can be depicted by putting together dumb
graphic elements such as lines.
You mentioned that none can handle logs due to their corners. I think
in Spirit you would handle those building individually using drawing
styles. If you have set lengths that can easily be incorporated
otherwise you would stack then stretch overall to suit. Without
knowing exactly how your things work I am certain it would be easy.
Likely other sophisticated applications could do this also with
coding.
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Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:05:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
Tru dat.
Again, as a fellow who's done professional Peer Review fordecades, I
can't tell you how many times I've seen such dimensions pulled from
face-of-stud rather than face-of-finish.
Seriously, I routinely come across toilet rooms that are 6" too
narrow, even up to two feet too short!
Why? Idiots.
Note that KIDS are often stuck with drafting terlit rooms and,
especially, interior elevations of same. The total CRAP that I've seen
in Con Docs for Interior Elevations of these spaces over the years
just blows my mind. And I assure you, it's MUCH worse with CAD than it
ever was with pencil.
James Horecka, AIAmArchitect
/////It was NOT their error by approving it, it was yours for
designing it. The city has no liability and if somebody sues over it,
your but will be on the line not the cities. The fact that the city
accepted it doesn't make you less liable///
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:17:01 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
This movie shows the ability to use a tangent cursor in 3D. If there
wasn't the ability for this then when I stretch the fascia in the
movie I would have had to work out the angle for the stretch and this
is not always easy to do if you do not know or remember what the
original angle was.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/OqQ28ZdNe4j>
Kind regards,
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:18:52 +1200
From: Matthew Cockroft <ma...@procadsys.co.nz>
Subject: DBUG> 3D - 3D GoToViews
This movie shows using GoToViews to navigate the model.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/HDmMs6BujHj>
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From: Ted Blockley <tblo...@webarch-aia.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 5:39:24 PM PDT
To: "dataca...@googlegroups.com" <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: Handicap
On 5/6/2012 3:12 PM, SDES...@aol.com wrote:
This has been an interesting thread and I appreciate all the good and
insightful input.
I have also appreciated getting the perspective from near and far.
Mid-thread, my half scot cousin, sent an appropriate cartoon.
Ted
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 10:26:40 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> handicap
Just saw you photgraph, the street corner to nowhere, Ted. Beautiful.
To think I could have missed it.
http://datacad-dbug.googlegroups.com/attach/db2d4837f859afbc/nowhere+2011.jpg?view=1&part=2&hl=en&gsc=7N3uMwsAAACyY7gvLQJOo_XdxqV2jvAr
Situation and all other issues asside does the size, position and
perhaps 'texture' and colour contrast of the tactile indicator really
comply under US standards?
It would certainly be problematic here where we have expertly
brought 'science' to bear and specified in 2002 (AS1428.4) that the
diameter of tactile indicator 'buttons' must be to a tolerance of
(+or-) 1mm, thats 50mm (+or-) 1mm with a 15mm (+or-) 1mm gap between
them. This the standards and expert loving place that only took 7
further years to decide, hopefully with more good science, that what
was now required was actually exactly 35mm (+ or-) 1mm - almost as
humorous in reverse as your street corner, Ted.
(For those that don't know what a millimeter is, that is a whiff, a
mouse's whisker, a fleas dick. Is it hard to understand why some
building surveyors with common sense may overlook a few millimetres
here or there? And that is not in anyway to excuse the laughable
street corner)
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:30:46 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Re: Handicap
TB wrote: ...Mid-thread, my half scot cousin, sent an appropriate
cartoon...
:-) I am a bit slow (maybe short sighed too) Ted, my immediate thought
was of Scottish brags and those flys on French urinals.
Ian
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From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Date: May 6, 2012 8:48:05 PM PDT
Subject: RE: DBUG> Creating Videos
J If we keep this up we may create a lucretive second hand market in
legendary macros, David.
DKS wrote:
Amen - DH.................another legend
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Henderson. Those DH macros are great...
David’s macros are terrific. Unfortunately he gave up this macro
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:12:00 +1000
From: "JAID" <i...@jaid.com>
Subject: RE: DBUG> 3D - 3D Tangent
All,
For any who have not got around to using 3D within their
application, Matthew in a few quick videos has managed to outline, no,
more than that, largely cover sufficient areas so that you should be
able to see how easy and valuable it is to produce largely 3-
dimensional work when desired.
It should be obvious that there are things which these techniques
can achieve which would take much longer to derive by geometry or
math.
Importantly Matthew has looked at how you can manipulate your 3D
material and move around it. The editing tools, the basic 3D forms and
the views work in unison.
Nobody would suggest that there are not many other elements which
could be discussed but the areas covered in just these videos provide
a working toolset which added to the slabs and basic primitives make
the ease and breadth available obvious and accessible. The latter are
all fairly self- explanatory in general use. Add the smart stuff and
some detail here and there and you have it.
Easy tools that a bit of practice will have you choosing appropriately
and using to cut time out of your work.
I am sure that those few straightforward videos should take all the
anxiety out of using 3D tools, much moreso than all the talk that I
and others may have come up with over the last couple decades.
Ian
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MC wrote:
This movie shows the ability to use a tangent cursor in 3D. If there
wasn't
the ability for this then when I stretch the fascia in the movie I
would
have had to work out the angle for the stretch and this is not always
easy
to do if you do not know or remember what the original angle was.
Watch <http://www.screencast.com/t/OqQ28ZdNe4j>
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:09:20 -0400
From: Robert Scott <scottreside...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
JH Again, as a fellow who's done professional Peer Review for decades,
I can't
tell you how many times I've seen such dimensions pulled from face-of-
stud
rather than face-of-finish.////
Hmmm...face of stud dimensions makes sense to me...get the studs
located in
the correct location and it's pretty hard to mess up the location of
the finishes. The architect certainly needs to consider finishes and
account for inconsistent thickness of some finishes (tile for example
or mudded corners of drywall) but to the guy banging out the studs
this should be of no concern.
IMO,
Robert Scott
/////It was NOT their error by approving it, it was yours for
designing it. The city has no liability and if somebody sues over it,
your but will be on the line not the cities. The fact that the city
accepted it doesn't
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From: "Paul Nida" <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: May 7, 2012 7:26:43 AM PDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> Re: HC restroom sizes
True, they build it from the stud dimensions. You just have to make
sure these dimensions take into account the finish thickness as well
as the ADA dimensions. Even then there is no guarantee that it will be
built right.
//////////
Hmmm...face of stud dimensions makes sense to me...get the studs
located in the correct location and it's pretty hard to mess up the
location of the finishes. The architect certainly needs to consider
finishes and account for inconsistent thickness of some finishes (tile
for example or mudded corners of drywall) but to the guy banging out
the studs this should be of no concern.
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