TECH-DBUG Digest Wednesday, November 11 V2009 #146

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:10:01 -0500
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TECH-DBUG-digest Wednesday, November 11 2009 Volume 2009:Number 146

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In this issue:
DBUG> Symbol - Template Request
DBUG> Symbol - Template Request
DBUG> DataCAD on Mac hardware
DBUG> Re: OT: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:08:31 +0200
From: "Mike Backler" <pla...@absamail.co.za>
Subject: DBUG> Symbol - Template Request

Hi All

Can anyone help me with an elevation and plan of a super-link petrol
tanker,
22 meter long, or let me know where I can obtain one.

I need this in order to correct a service station layout. If you have
a
Turning Circle template for the same vehicle, it would also be
appreciated

Thanks

Mike Backler
Plans & Projects
Tel. +27 31 202 0355
pla...@iburst.co.za
www.plansandprojects.co.za


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:26:58 +1100
From: Nick Pyner <npy...@tig.com.au>
Subject: Re: DBUG> Symbol - Template Request


>> Hi All Can anyone help me with an elevation and plan of a
super-link
>>petrol tanker, 22 meter long, or let me know where I can obtain
one.
>>If you have a Turning Circle template for the same vehicle, it
would also
>>be appreciated


All you need to do is push, shove, add to, and put a tank on a
standard
DataCad semi, all in order to comply with local trransport
regulations, but
here's is one to get you started. Your turning circle is more likely
to be
determined by local regulation than the truck but, the bigger the
truck,
the less likely you are to turn it and your client would not thank for
providing space for that.

Nick Pyner

Dee Why Beach NSW

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~npyner/yadpage.htm
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:38:25 -0800
From: george.r...@consultgra.com
Subject: DBUG> DataCAD on Mac hardware

My last Windows system is dying again (third time) of a virus that got
past
AVG and now several other anti-malware tools. This bugger is better
than
the best guys and software I can throw at it. We just can't find it.
The
station just slowy gets out of control. The mouse seems to be the
symptom
I notice first. It gradually becomes uncontrolable doing eratic
things you
don't expect. It is somewhere, but not where you think it is when you
click. For a while you can figure out it's quirks, then not so much.
Eventually the system doesn't work at all. finding and fixing a myriad
altered files restores normal function for a while.

Anyway, I am really too tired of this. Lots of dollars and two
tries
thoroughly searching and replacing a lot of altered system files
followed
by a week or less of operation while slowly relapsing into chaos
twice, I'm
out of patience. I know it does not have to be like this because we
have
three Os's running here. I would not have bothered even to try to
patch
this station up except this station runs a huge number of
applications and
upgrading and reinstalling it all when a major OS upgrade comes along
is a
big job with real costs that always turn out to be way outside any
reasonable expectations for time complexity and peripheral hardware
implications.

I have lots of very trouble free linux software running and some zero
trouble apple systems here and I think I am finally going to limit the
stuff we use in Windows to just DataCAD and things that absolutely
must run
with it. That at least will make the restoring wrecked windows
systems
simpler and tolerable. Everything else is going into another OS.

I am curious about trying to run DataCAD in a fresh XP environment in
a VM
bottle on one of our Apple systems, I would like to be able to drag
files
to running aps in both OS environments. and I like Apples 24 inch iMac
screens. So, who is successfully running DataCAD on Apple hardware?
Who
is running it on anything else? I want to try this, and I would
really
like to take advantage of your experience, so I can put together the
right
set up. Hardware and Software.

I promise to post everything about the system once I have made all the
unavoidable mistakes fixed them and it is up and running.

I think it makes sense for me to go for the biggest screen I can
afford.
I'm getting older. I have a 24inch iMac which we like a lot, and I
suppose we could buy a new 27 inch iMac or the big Mac aluminum can
and a
30 inch display, but that seems like it might be over shooting my real
needs if the iMacs will work and can spread the screen across a second
monitor I think that two 24s could be the big screen ticket.


George Robertson Associates Inc. PS
3416 19th Avenue South
Seattle, WA 98144-6706
206 723 4200 206 721 1986 FAX
www.georgerobertson.com

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From: JAID <i...@jaid.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Subject: DBUG> Re: OT: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

NP:...There is no mystery, I'm quite certain I was not dreaming when I
saw
aeroplanes fly into buildings on live TV.

Likewise I didn't dream that I saw that but I was talking of apparent
gaps
in the fabric of explanation rather than what seems like obvious
primary
cause. The apparent gaps are what the apparent frootloops latch onto.

And yes, steel doesn't need to be heated any hotter than you can do by
yourself without a furnace or special treatment to yield but I didn't
pick
up on its deformation but its melting. That takes perhaps 5 or 6 times
the
heat required to bend it. 50,000 litres or a million of jetfuel won't
burn
hotter than a thousand litres unless you manage the oxygen input. I
don't
know if it is possible to ramp up the heat it can produce to MELT
steel but
reckon it would have to be difficult.

...You're an architect, you should know that steel only needs to be
heated
to
about 600 in order to lose half its strength. That can't be too hard
to
achieve with 50,000 litres of jet fuel...I heard somewhere that
the steel heated uniformly because it was indeed properly insulated,
which
sounds a plausible explanation for the buildings to fall the way they
did...

Well, I have not reviewed the thing in great detail but it seems to me
that
it would have fallen the way it did not primarily because of heat
though
that initially set off the domino effect of collapse. It would have
fallen
that way because either the connections at the perimeter columns gave
way
prior to catastrophic column buckling OR the ability to resist shear
of the
beams adjacent those columns was insufficient to take the load that
the
damaged/burnt areas imposed. When one floor plate would have given way
in
that way essentially falling flat on that below those below would also
give
way similarly and the rate of fall would roughly equate with the
velocity
with which a floor slab would fall naturally.

It is astounding that in both (or all 3) cases the load at the
commencement
of this series of slab falls was even enough to drop the whole slab
below
it. If it had not been I would expect (especially given the
slenderness of
the two main towers) that the collapse would not be only vertical and
regular but irregular resulting in a toppling that might be
reminiscent of a
deck of cards dropped with some horizontal force. Somehow though
insufficient horizontal forces developed to sway the tendency to fall
vertically.

I suppose each building likely had similar detailing.

It seems to me that an explanation could very simply be put which
describes
how the particular detailing and structural form involved would lead
at a
certain point under fire to collapse of a slab then successive slabs
under
in a vertical manner. It also seems to me that a clear explanation for
the
melting of steel should be given, there is one.

Ian

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