TECH-DBUG Digest Friday, May 18 V2012 #069
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In this issue:
DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
DBUG> Fwd Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
DBUG> Fwd Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> The cloud?
DBUG> Bluebeam PDF tool
DBUG> Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
DBUG> CURVED arrows
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:29:22 -0400
From: Evan H Shu FAIA <eva...@comcast.net>
Subject: DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
To Boston Area DBUGers,
Save Wednesday, May 30th at 6 pm
for our DBUG Meeting at GSD Associates
in North Andover, MA>
GSD Associates in North Andover, MA will host DBUG and give a
presentation on "Energy Analysis, Air Quality, and eQUEST." This
program will provide a primer on energy and air quality issues in a
building, show how to efficiently do takeoffs and reporting using CAD
software, and show how to use the eQUEST program for
professional-level energy analysis.
The program will be preceded by GSD's famous barbecue buffet ($5
donation) that DBUG looks forward to every spring.
Detailed Agenda will be issued soon.
GSD Associates, LLC
146 Main Street
North Andover, MA 01845
Tel: 978-688-5422 x203
RSVP for detailed directions and food count to: "Gregory P. Smith,
AIA" <gsm...@gsd-assoc.com>.
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
Sure would like minutes from this one !!
I am particularly interested in "how" your doing your take-offs.
Best to all - David
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 16, 2012 2:49:50 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
- --Alt-Q, L-Clk, L-Clk, L-Clk; R-Clk to finish--
Same number of clicks with pretty dang close to same result except
some out the that don’t have dhTEXT and can’t get it anymore. I
still like Curldr5’s S-Curves better. The 3 point ones look about
the same. Neither have filled arrows, but hey everyone has their own
style after a while, so if I can find the source code to either one, I
might just make that one little modification. In any case I use both
macros.
Then again there is those straight arrow people, except they don’t
have to change the arrow head size every time they change scale which
might make for one less click when you change scale.
Changing the Subject:
I also looked at the difference between X3 and 14 and don’t see
enough there to make that a full version upgrade. The “betterâ€
interoperability with SU and other CAD programs probably makes it
worth the price. Do you use smart walls with 14? Also, does anyone
remember how to make their own materials using let’s say a Jpeg file
or something similar? Also, I noticed that 14 has more points on
polygons but not unlimited and still no solids. The 3D engine in
DataCAD basically works off of triangles which have a side even every
single one of the other shapes are dependent on the math of 3 points.
Really, really, getting things smooth requires different math and I
would guess a heap more programming.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 16, 2012 2:52:35 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
Hmmm. Sounds like you are NOT using TxtScale. You should be.
I never have to change scales to do arrows. That all happens
automatically.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
To: "jhor...@verizon.net" <jhor...@verizon.net>; "datacad-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
- --Alt-Q, L-Clk, L-Clk, L-Clk; R-Clk to finish--
Same number of clicks with pretty dang close to same result except
some out the that don’t have dhTEXT and can’t get it anymore. I
still like Curldr5’s S-Curves better. The 3 point ones look about
the same. Neither have filled arrows, but hey everyone has their own
style after a while, so if I can find the source code to either one, I
might just make that one little modification. In any case I use both
macros.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 16, 2012 2:52:58 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
- --Is anybody using the curved Smart Arrows? These have the big
advantage of being able to be moved or stretched without distorting
the arrow.--
I used them for a while and really liked them except for the fact they
didn’t work with curves or I couldn’t figure out how to make that
work with X3. Is 14 any different?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
They are basically polylines and they work with curves the same way as
any polyline would. They don't work with B-splines or Bezier curves.
Personally, I don't use those anyway and I haven't used a curved
leader since the '70's. Frankly, I can't remember the last time I saw
a curved leader on a set of drawings.
On Wed, 16 May 2012 13:52:58 -0500,
> --Is anybody using the curved Smart Arrows? These have the big advantage of being able to be moved or stretched without distorting the arrow.--
>
> I used them for a while and really liked them except for the fact they didn't work with curves or I couldn't figure out how to make that work with X3. Is 14 any different?
>
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> CURVED arrows
Well with the smart arrow setup, the straight ones might be better
with people making many changes. James H. and I, I suppose are the
only ones using them. Depending upon your style, you can actually just
use 2 points with most straight arrows and they kinda fix themselves
if you use the smart ones. Polylines in other programs will work with
all of their curve set and so should DataCAD's IMO and they shouldn't
have limited points, but trying to make things too pretty is probably
beside the point anyhow these days, but I don't think line weight
should ever be done away with to gain speed. I've seen a lot of plans
with about 0.25mm on every single line. Let's see, with a curved arrow
of your choice, you have to have 3 points most of the time. Straight
ones could be reduced to 2 points most of the time.
To my eye all of James's arrows looked great with dhTEXT except 1 at
the top of the chimney from the Flickr link he supplied previously.
Even if I have one that is straight on, I usually give it a swag point
in the middle. I merely copied this technique from an existing DataCAD
drawing that was in one of those cheap tricks disks, somewhere back in
the early 90's because I thought it looked cool, but times change and
it may be time to do away with those as I have already done with
architectural fonts. They don't make the plan any easier to read and
trying to reproduce hand drawings exactly isn't the goal anymore to
me. Readability and speed are really what counts, I guess.
JH's:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18794861@N00/2608677655/sizes/o/in/photostream
Some of mine with Curvldr5 & Playing with B-splines by themselves:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.121139224596013.8410.100000998076492&type=1
So yes, there are still people using this stuff but I'm thinking about
not doing that anymore as I have already built a ready-made template
or two of ones I use a lot with straight smart arrows. As to which
looks better, it's been a debate probably before CAD even came along.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
- -----
They are basically polylines and they work with curves the same way as
any polyline would. They don't work with B-splines or Bezier curves.
Personally, I don't use those anyway and I haven't used a curved
leader since the '70's. Frankly, I can't remember the last time I saw
a curved leader on a set of drawings.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Subject: The cloud?
I know an easy way for DataCAD to make money, by adding cloud features
to the program. It’s kind of like solar power and electric cars,
wonderful in theory, but limited in practice. All this consist of
really, is saving all of your settings, drawings, etc. out there in
“the cloud” which can really just be servers through DataCAD’s company
of choice, giving people some free space (I think UdderCAD 360 has
3gig for free) and charging a lot for anything more and kids love the
sound of it and with DataCAD being a not so intensive, bloated
program, it just might work to gain new customers since young people
move around from device to device.” DataCloud” J
What does everyone think about that?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Subject: Bluebeam PDF tool
http://www.bluebeam.com/us/products/compare-products.asp
I found another tool that will import vectors besides Inkscape and
Illustrator.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: <SDES...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Subject: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
Not too sure why I did not think of this before (perhaps I'm too late
with this information and you already "do it" ) but I just "dropped"
an o2cOBJECT.html and the Support File Folder in Dropbox for a bunch
of folks to view at the same time. I included a little README1st.doc
file to explain how to manipulate the Interactive Model while we were
all on a conference call spanning coast to coast.
I used Datacad for the Modeling and 3D Text and Saved out the OBJECT
in the o2c Viewer. I then opened it in o2c Interactive and then "File"
- - PUBLISH TO THE WEB".
Previously I would have to send the *.html with a folder and "explain
to each and every team member the "how to's".................
Datacad - "The gift that keeps on giving................."
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
SaffronGroupInternational.com
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
I'm an Architect. Architectural drawings, historically, used curved
leaders. One important reason to do so has always been to
differentiate the leaders from the work to be built. Most work to be
built is comprised of straight lines. Curved leaders, properly
drafted, CLEARLY are apart from the rectilinear walls, windows, FFE,
etc. They are part of the annotation, not a part of the
representation.
I will always draft curved leaders, unless FORCED to do
tail-plus-raked-line leaders.
To MY eye, and I've been doin' this 40 years, straight leaders are a
hallmark of Mechanical Drafting, and CAD jockeys who were trained
under that track. Sure, I did the Mech track for a few years. But the
moment I hit the Architectural Track, in Eighth Grade, I shifted to
architectural curved-leaders, and never looked back.
Sidebar: I'm a student of scads of styles, and a nut for driving even
a thousand miles RT to see ORIGINAL drawings. I've personally laid my
eyes on some outstanding sets of original working drawings. FLW, of
course, Charles & Henry Greene (gorgeous original pencil drawings of
THREE ultimate bungalows on three different rare exhibit ocassions),
Isozaki, Gehry, Bucky, Neutra, Schindler, scads of Modernists, and
many greats of the Renaissance, etc. I've handled scrolls 75 feet
long lovingly laid down in multimedia by maestro Paolo Soleri. And
I've a mountain of books filled with amazing plates of Working
Drawings, from the Eiffel Tower down to humble Craftsman book ends. I
own a few rare books; one recent acquisition of a book that featured
working drawings set me back 300 clams; worth every penny and a year
of searching, finally traveling to San Francisco to purchase the
thing, cash-only.
Leave us say I have an interest in such things.
I draft curved-leaders. For sound reasons. Not arbitrary; not in the
least.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>
Well with the smart arrow setup, the straight ones might be better
with people making many changes. James H. and I, I suppose are the
only ones using them. Depending upon your style, you can actually just
use 2 points with most straight arrows and they kinda fix themselves
if you use the smart ones. Polylines in other programs will work with
all of their curve set and so should DataCAD's IMO and they shouldn't
have limited points, but trying to make things too pretty is probably
beside the point anyhow these days, but I don't think line weight
should ever be done away with to gain speed. I've seen a lot of plans
with about 0.25mm on every single line. Let's see, with a curved arrow
of your choice, you have to have 3 points most of the time. Straight
ones could be reduced to 2 points most of the time.
To my eye all of James's arrows looked great with dhTEXT except 1 at
the top of the chimney from the Flickr link he supplied previously.
Even if I have one that is straight on, I usually give it a swag point
in the middle. I merely copied this technique from an existing DataCAD
drawing that was in one of those cheap tricks disks, somewhere back in
the early 90's because I thought it looked cool, but times change and
it may be time to do away with those as I have already done with
architectural fonts. They don't make the plan any easier to read and
trying to reproduce hand drawings exactly isn't the goal anymore to
me. Readability and speed are really what counts, I guess.
JH's:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18794861@N00/2608677655/sizes/o/in/photostream
Some of mine with Curvldr5 & Playing with B-splines by themselves:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.121139224596013.8410.100000998076492&type=1
So yes, there are still people using this stuff but I'm thinking about
not doing that anymore as I have already built a ready-made template
or two of ones I use a lot with straight smart arrows. As to which
looks better, it's been a debate probably before CAD even came along.
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In this issue:
DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
DBUG> Fwd Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
DBUG> Fwd Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> CURVED arrows
DBUG> The cloud?
DBUG> Bluebeam PDF tool
DBUG> Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
DBUG> CURVED arrows
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:29:22 -0400
From: Evan H Shu FAIA <eva...@comcast.net>
Subject: DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
To Boston Area DBUGers,
Save Wednesday, May 30th at 6 pm
for our DBUG Meeting at GSD Associates
in North Andover, MA>
GSD Associates in North Andover, MA will host DBUG and give a
presentation on "Energy Analysis, Air Quality, and eQUEST." This
program will provide a primer on energy and air quality issues in a
building, show how to efficiently do takeoffs and reporting using CAD
software, and show how to use the eQUEST program for
professional-level energy analysis.
The program will be preceded by GSD's famous barbecue buffet ($5
donation) that DBUG looks forward to every spring.
Detailed Agenda will be issued soon.
GSD Associates, LLC
146 Main Street
North Andover, MA 01845
Tel: 978-688-5422 x203
RSVP for detailed directions and food count to: "Gregory P. Smith,
AIA" <gsm...@gsd-assoc.com>.
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: SDES...@aol.com
Subject: Re: DBUG> save May 30th for DBUG at GSD
Sure would like minutes from this one !!
I am particularly interested in "how" your doing your take-offs.
Best to all - David
_______________________________________________________________________
David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
505-573-9518 - Cell
_SaffronGroupInternational.com_
(http://www.saffrongroupinternational.blogspot.com/)
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 16, 2012 2:49:50 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
- --Alt-Q, L-Clk, L-Clk, L-Clk; R-Clk to finish--
Same number of clicks with pretty dang close to same result except
some out the that don’t have dhTEXT and can’t get it anymore. I
still like Curldr5’s S-Curves better. The 3 point ones look about
the same. Neither have filled arrows, but hey everyone has their own
style after a while, so if I can find the source code to either one, I
might just make that one little modification. In any case I use both
macros.
Then again there is those straight arrow people, except they don’t
have to change the arrow head size every time they change scale which
might make for one less click when you change scale.
Changing the Subject:
I also looked at the difference between X3 and 14 and don’t see
enough there to make that a full version upgrade. The “betterâ€
interoperability with SU and other CAD programs probably makes it
worth the price. Do you use smart walls with 14? Also, does anyone
remember how to make their own materials using let’s say a Jpeg file
or something similar? Also, I noticed that 14 has more points on
polygons but not unlimited and still no solids. The 3D engine in
DataCAD basically works off of triangles which have a side even every
single one of the other shapes are dependent on the math of 3 points.
Really, really, getting things smooth requires different math and I
would guess a heap more programming.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: May 16, 2012 2:52:35 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
Hmmm. Sounds like you are NOT using TxtScale. You should be.
I never have to change scales to do arrows. That all happens
automatically.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
To: "jhor...@verizon.net" <jhor...@verizon.net>; "datacad-
db...@googlegroups.com" <dataca...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Curvldr5 vs. dhTEXT
- --Alt-Q, L-Clk, L-Clk, L-Clk; R-Clk to finish--
Same number of clicks with pretty dang close to same result except
some out the that don’t have dhTEXT and can’t get it anymore. I
still like Curldr5’s S-Curves better. The 3 point ones look about
the same. Neither have filled arrows, but hey everyone has their own
style after a while, so if I can find the source code to either one, I
might just make that one little modification. In any case I use both
macros.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: May 16, 2012 2:52:58 PM EDT
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
- --Is anybody using the curved Smart Arrows? These have the big
advantage of being able to be moved or stretched without distorting
the arrow.--
I used them for a while and really liked them except for the fact they
didn’t work with curves or I couldn’t figure out how to make that
work with X3. Is 14 any different?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
http://www.facebook.com/oldvaloghomes/
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From: Paul Nida <prn...@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
They are basically polylines and they work with curves the same way as
any polyline would. They don't work with B-splines or Bezier curves.
Personally, I don't use those anyway and I haven't used a curved
leader since the '70's. Frankly, I can't remember the last time I saw
a curved leader on a set of drawings.
On Wed, 16 May 2012 13:52:58 -0500,
> --Is anybody using the curved Smart Arrows? These have the big advantage of being able to be moved or stretched without distorting the arrow.--
>
> I used them for a while and really liked them except for the fact they didn't work with curves or I couldn't figure out how to make that work with X3. Is 14 any different?
>
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: DBUG> CURVED arrows
Well with the smart arrow setup, the straight ones might be better
with people making many changes. James H. and I, I suppose are the
only ones using them. Depending upon your style, you can actually just
use 2 points with most straight arrows and they kinda fix themselves
if you use the smart ones. Polylines in other programs will work with
all of their curve set and so should DataCAD's IMO and they shouldn't
have limited points, but trying to make things too pretty is probably
beside the point anyhow these days, but I don't think line weight
should ever be done away with to gain speed. I've seen a lot of plans
with about 0.25mm on every single line. Let's see, with a curved arrow
of your choice, you have to have 3 points most of the time. Straight
ones could be reduced to 2 points most of the time.
To my eye all of James's arrows looked great with dhTEXT except 1 at
the top of the chimney from the Flickr link he supplied previously.
Even if I have one that is straight on, I usually give it a swag point
in the middle. I merely copied this technique from an existing DataCAD
drawing that was in one of those cheap tricks disks, somewhere back in
the early 90's because I thought it looked cool, but times change and
it may be time to do away with those as I have already done with
architectural fonts. They don't make the plan any easier to read and
trying to reproduce hand drawings exactly isn't the goal anymore to
me. Readability and speed are really what counts, I guess.
JH's:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18794861@N00/2608677655/sizes/o/in/photostream
Some of mine with Curvldr5 & Playing with B-splines by themselves:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.121139224596013.8410.100000998076492&type=1
So yes, there are still people using this stuff but I'm thinking about
not doing that anymore as I have already built a ready-made template
or two of ones I use a lot with straight smart arrows. As to which
looks better, it's been a debate probably before CAD even came along.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
http://www.handhewnloghomes.com/
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They are basically polylines and they work with curves the same way as
any polyline would. They don't work with B-splines or Bezier curves.
Personally, I don't use those anyway and I haven't used a curved
leader since the '70's. Frankly, I can't remember the last time I saw
a curved leader on a set of drawings.
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Subject: The cloud?
I know an easy way for DataCAD to make money, by adding cloud features
to the program. It’s kind of like solar power and electric cars,
wonderful in theory, but limited in practice. All this consist of
really, is saving all of your settings, drawings, etc. out there in
“the cloud” which can really just be servers through DataCAD’s company
of choice, giving people some free space (I think UdderCAD 360 has
3gig for free) and charging a lot for anything more and kids love the
sound of it and with DataCAD being a not so intensive, bloated
program, it just might work to gain new customers since young people
move around from device to device.” DataCloud” J
What does everyone think about that?
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
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From: David Ramey <DRa...@oldvirginialoghomes.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Subject: Bluebeam PDF tool
http://www.bluebeam.com/us/products/compare-products.asp
I found another tool that will import vectors besides Inkscape and
Illustrator.
Regards,
David Ramey
Chief Draftsman
Old Virginia Log Homes
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From: <SDES...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Subject: Cheaptrick - o2c and Dropbox
Not too sure why I did not think of this before (perhaps I'm too late
with this information and you already "do it" ) but I just "dropped"
an o2cOBJECT.html and the Support File Folder in Dropbox for a bunch
of folks to view at the same time. I included a little README1st.doc
file to explain how to manipulate the Interactive Model while we were
all on a conference call spanning coast to coast.
I used Datacad for the Modeling and 3D Text and Saved out the OBJECT
in the o2c Viewer. I then opened it in o2c Interactive and then "File"
- - PUBLISH TO THE WEB".
Previously I would have to send the *.html with a folder and "explain
to each and every team member the "how to's".................
Datacad - "The gift that keeps on giving................."
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David K. Sargert, LEED AP
Design-Development Director
SAFFRON Group International
Houston, TX
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From: James Horecka <jhor...@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: DBUG> CURVED arrows
I'm an Architect. Architectural drawings, historically, used curved
leaders. One important reason to do so has always been to
differentiate the leaders from the work to be built. Most work to be
built is comprised of straight lines. Curved leaders, properly
drafted, CLEARLY are apart from the rectilinear walls, windows, FFE,
etc. They are part of the annotation, not a part of the
representation.
I will always draft curved leaders, unless FORCED to do
tail-plus-raked-line leaders.
To MY eye, and I've been doin' this 40 years, straight leaders are a
hallmark of Mechanical Drafting, and CAD jockeys who were trained
under that track. Sure, I did the Mech track for a few years. But the
moment I hit the Architectural Track, in Eighth Grade, I shifted to
architectural curved-leaders, and never looked back.
Sidebar: I'm a student of scads of styles, and a nut for driving even
a thousand miles RT to see ORIGINAL drawings. I've personally laid my
eyes on some outstanding sets of original working drawings. FLW, of
course, Charles & Henry Greene (gorgeous original pencil drawings of
THREE ultimate bungalows on three different rare exhibit ocassions),
Isozaki, Gehry, Bucky, Neutra, Schindler, scads of Modernists, and
many greats of the Renaissance, etc. I've handled scrolls 75 feet
long lovingly laid down in multimedia by maestro Paolo Soleri. And
I've a mountain of books filled with amazing plates of Working
Drawings, from the Eiffel Tower down to humble Craftsman book ends. I
own a few rare books; one recent acquisition of a book that featured
working drawings set me back 300 clams; worth every penny and a year
of searching, finally traveling to San Francisco to purchase the
thing, cash-only.
Leave us say I have an interest in such things.
I draft curved-leaders. For sound reasons. Not arbitrary; not in the
least.
James Horecka, AIA
Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>
Well with the smart arrow setup, the straight ones might be better
with people making many changes. James H. and I, I suppose are the
only ones using them. Depending upon your style, you can actually just
use 2 points with most straight arrows and they kinda fix themselves
if you use the smart ones. Polylines in other programs will work with
all of their curve set and so should DataCAD's IMO and they shouldn't
have limited points, but trying to make things too pretty is probably
beside the point anyhow these days, but I don't think line weight
should ever be done away with to gain speed. I've seen a lot of plans
with about 0.25mm on every single line. Let's see, with a curved arrow
of your choice, you have to have 3 points most of the time. Straight
ones could be reduced to 2 points most of the time.
To my eye all of James's arrows looked great with dhTEXT except 1 at
the top of the chimney from the Flickr link he supplied previously.
Even if I have one that is straight on, I usually give it a swag point
in the middle. I merely copied this technique from an existing DataCAD
drawing that was in one of those cheap tricks disks, somewhere back in
the early 90's because I thought it looked cool, but times change and
it may be time to do away with those as I have already done with
architectural fonts. They don't make the plan any easier to read and
trying to reproduce hand drawings exactly isn't the goal anymore to
me. Readability and speed are really what counts, I guess.
JH's:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18794861@N00/2608677655/sizes/o/in/photostream
Some of mine with Curvldr5 & Playing with B-splines by themselves:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.121139224596013.8410.100000998076492&type=1
So yes, there are still people using this stuff but I'm thinking about
not doing that anymore as I have already built a ready-made template
or two of ones I use a lot with straight smart arrows. As to which
looks better, it's been a debate probably before CAD even came along.
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