Observation on mice - Logitech M705

[Nick Pyner]

I had always hoped that I would die before my original Intellimouse
Explorer did, but that has alas proved not to be the case, as the scroll
wheel has transformed into a sticky goo.  Its replacement, a Logitech
M705, has been DRIVING ME NUTS and, now that I am using DataCad a bit
more, that has made a bad situation worse.  I suspect it doesn't snap as
well as the old Intellimouse but the real problem is the wheel.

It now appears that the problem is the smooth/bumpy button. I had it on
smooth but changing to bumpy makes things more manageable. So I would
suggest that, if anybody else is having grief and the wheel is on
smooth,  try living with bumpy, as it could revolutionise the way you work.

There is some irony in that I had butchered the innards of the
Intellimouse so that the wheel runs smooth, and that worked perfectly.
Also, one reason why I bought the M705 was that I recently got a cheapo 
M171 in New Zealand in an emergency and it actually works fine. My only
complaint was the bumpy wheel. I'm glad I never got round to fiddling
with it.

I came very close to ditching the M705 and putting the M171 into the
front line.

Nick Pyner

Dee Why Beach   NSW


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[Neil Blanchard]

Hi Nick,

The other aspect of the wheels on many mice, that affects snapping, is
they tilt to pan sideways.  The detents are needed, though there are
some Logitech mice that have detents when you move the wheel slowly, but
they go smooth when you spin them faster.  The M705's wheel tilts, and
it has the detent/smooth feature.  Maybe, it is the tilting that is
causing the issue?

I would recommend the G603, which has a non-tilting wheel, high quality
buttons, and long lasting batteries.  It is closer in size to the old
Intellimouse.

Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/

[Neil Blanchard]

Hi Skipp,

You bought EIGHT track marbles at once?  Now THAT'S commitment!  They probably cost more than DataCAD 5?

What connector do they have - USB?

On 4/22/2019 11:46 AM, Albert Jackman wrote:

I use a Logitech track marble and have since I started in V5 - at the time I started I bought 8 of them - I felt they would be like pencil lead and wear out. You can still get them - more money that when I got them - 

SKIPP

[Neil Blanchard]

Hi Skipp,

You're fortunate you didn't get a PS2 version.  ;-)  DataCAD 5 was $150, if I remember correctly.

On 4/22/2019 4:13 PM, Albert Jackman wrote:

USB

They did cost more than the cad program - at that time my program was $99 - I bought the trackman wheels within the 1st year just to make sure I had spares - Like getting new batteries for my watches BEFORE they run down.

Trackman Wheel   T - 8818

SKIPP

[Albert Jackman]

I use a Logitech track marble and have since I started in V5 - at the time I started I bought 8 of them - I felt they would be like pencil lead and wear out. You can still get them - more money that when I got them - 

SKIPP

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[Neil Blanchard]

Hi Nick,

Maybe you can find another Intellimouse?  Even if it was broken, you
could take its wheel and use that?

Every mouse that I have used that has a tilting wheel, I have trouble
snapping with.  Unless, you can set the tilt to be a Middle click; this
will be a problem.

I specifically buy only mice that do not have tilt, and that have robust
button switches.  That means, for all intents and purposes - I buy a
gaming mouse, or a top of the line mouse.

My work mouse is a Logitech G403, and my home mouse is a Razer
Ouroboros.  Both have no tilt, and have detented scrolling, and have
switches that are good for at least 10-20 Million clicks. They also both
have rechargeable batteries, that don't last all that long - the G403
started at about 32 hours of battery life, but is down to about 22.  The
Ouroboros only had about 12 hours, and I have had to replace the battery
twice now.

The G403 battery is NOT replaceable.  That is why I recommended the G603
- it has two AA batteries that are replaceable, and when you use
Alkaline batteries, you should get 500+ hours.  Good rechargeable
batteries should last 200-300 hours at least, so that is the best you
are going to get.  The sensor is state-of-the-art, and the switches are
the best available, as well.

On 4/23/2019 9:16 AM, Nick Pyner wrote:
> Hi
>
> I was not aware the M705 had tilt, although I was aware that it felt
> like it did. I don't think that is the cause of the problem. Using the
> bumpy mode helps a lot but there is still a bit of flywheel movement. 
> At least it seems not to have such a mind of its own. I think the real
> solution is to try and 3D print a new wheel for the Intellimouse
>
> Nick Pyner
>
> Dee Why   NSW

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[Nick Pyner]

Hi

I was not aware the M705 had tilt, although I was aware that it felt
like it did. I don't think that is the cause of the problem. Using the
bumpy mode helps a lot but there is still a bit of flywheel movement. 
At least it seems not to have such a mind of its own. I think the real
solution is to try and 3D print a new wheel for the Intellimouse

Nick Pyner

Dee Why   NSW

On 21/04/2019 11:39 am, Neil Blanchard wrote:

[Nick Pyner]

Thanks for your comment. I have tried to get an Intellimouse Explorer
before, but to no avail. They must be well over twenty years old. What's
more, they might all suffer the same problem that kills them - chemical
breakdown of the tyre on the wheel, hence my comment about 3D printing a
spare. I had two once, and throwing one out was a serious mistake. It
was probably just a bad cable, and I have fixed that on the keeper OK.

I think I passed up the G603 because they couldn't make up their mind
about the system requirements.