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Well, this projector has already been discussed a little bit in the Sony 45ES thread but it's probably worthy of its own thread. Especially since this is the most anticipated projector to be released this year at a fabulous price.
I am also concerned about input lag. Sony TVs and projectors have notoriously low input lag when you switch to gaming mode but Epson never seems to come close. This is a deciding factor for me that currently draws me more towards the Sony 45ES. I'd love to try my GTX 1080 on ultra settings at 100+ inches.
I was sceptical too until I read some reviews on the JVC e-shift and an early review of the Epson. Apparently true 4K and 4K enhancement side by side, it was impossible to tell which one was true 4K...it does that good a job. With the insane prices for true 4K projectors, I welcome this with open arms.
If it does I don't know why they do that given most rooms are different. White ceilings, blue walls, maroon carpet etc etc..
ie you need to calibrate the machine to get the best out of it and each room, each screen including the size of it, will require unique settings to get that 6500 kelvin colour temp going.
The 4K eshift JVC implement, for 4K content it still deals with each frame of the 4K disc, it somehow diagonally offsets each frame so it's not copying as such, it's very clever. hopefully epson have the same idea implemented.
Mate I reckon the features on this are great for under 20 grand really! What they're saying is unheard of, what they're offering for the money is incredible.. basically everything the JVC can do (black level to be compared) but with glass optics and half the price of a x7000 jvc... This is THE machine to get I reckon.
I always wondered how a projector's lens memory feature actually works. As far as I know all movies are hardcoded into 16:9 AR (i.e.1.78:1) for Blu-ray distribution. The projector is not actually doing any letterboxing and the black bars are coded into the file, regardless of original aspect ratio. I rip all of my movies into uncompressed files to be played back by Kodi and each file is listed as 16:9, which underlines my theory.
If that is the case how does the projector know what aspect ratio is required when using lens memory (or even an anamorphic lense)? It could be 2.35:1, 2.39, 2.4, etc. Is there any information on disc that is forwarded to the projector?
Hopefully the epson will copy the ae8000 -
"As most Blu-ray movies come in an aspect ratio (2.35:1) that is wider than the projector's aspect ratio (16:9), the Intelligent Lens Memory automatically detects and switches lens and focus position depending on the aspect ratio."
Google CIH setups and you can decide if it is useful for your personal preference -
basically you need a cinema scope screen setup for the ideal experience. Then when a 16x9 image is projected you zoom out and have black bars on the sides. On both formats the height remains the same.
The LS10000 is soft, was compared to the JVC X500 from 3 years ago. Just becausee it's laser doesn't make it better.
That was their first venture into 4k upshift tech, JVC have done it 4 times now I believe.
That was on high dynamic mode at max brightness and max contrast right? What we want is the best picture mode black level. I'm hopeful it will be still be acceptable. I hate when they exagerrate the specs to suck you in!
"The engineers have redesigned the aperture for the TW9300 and made more effective by its own account, up to 1,000,000: 1 dynamic range they will now offer. Any experienced home cinema fan is immediately clear that there can only be a pure marketing value to this. First the good news: The new diaphragm in conjunction with the large chassis operates much quieter than the TW9200, but more noticeable when listening very carefully. The not so good news: Unfortunately, the iris is still driven by a stepper motor so that it does not operate as before in real time. With a factor of about six, it increases the real usable dynamic range of good 40,000: 1 and thus allows a largely adverse lots operation.
Maximum native contrast and brightness reaches the TW9300 with about 9300: 1 at about 2500 lumens as expected in "dynamic" mode, but with visible green tinge in the image. By means of the much known LPE color filter probably is possible to exhaust this potential with perfect color reproduction, we will examine the approach to market and report on it."
I think we need to wait until the language barrier and model number difference are worked out. I thought they were talking about the entry level 7300 also? there is NO WAY the 9300 has worse contrast than the Sony 45. The 9200 had much better blacks than the 40es by a massive margin, something like 300% better, how can the 9300 be the opposite of this? it makes no sense.
I honestly think that the peak brightness and colour rendering will be the bigger deciders in my specific application, since I don't have a particularly light controlled environment, but if the contrast really is that bad then it might be one to miss, who knows at this early stage aye
There seems to be a lot of misinformation on this thread. A native contrast ratio of 9300:1 is very good at 2500lm. The lower the lumens the higher the contrast ratio that can be achieved. The JVCs have very high numbers becaue they are using completely different technology but still are a lot lower lumens.
The epson can be used in a normal room where a JVC is for a dedicated theatre. The hw40 was around 7500:1 at half the lumens as this epson and is also for dark rooms only. The trade off with going higher lumens is contrast and usually colour accuracy. This epson is claiming to fix both problems without using reflective technology.
Yep I even think the seller quoted above (projectorscreens/OZTS) may have been selling the 45ES for very close to $3K so the RRP quoted above in comparison to the 65ES is nowhere near the current street price.
And for those complaining about being off-topic for mentioning the SONY, these are natural market competitors, it's only natural that they'll both be discussed. People interested in the Epson will be better served knowing about it's competitors.
in the end though it will be masses of conjecture.. then the reality as those that get the sony will rave about it and those that get the epson will rave about it... hey what else can you do after forking out a few thousand dollars?
You can already get it in a package with a screen, mount, cable.. for $3500. No doubt you could haggle too as it's the run out model. That's a very attractive deal near 3k. You'd need to spend over 4k to get the 45ES with the other kit. 9300 with kit would push you close to 6k.
Disabling the Sony 520s iris to make it more like the 320 showed the Sony had a better black level until we tried WCG, but with the P3 filter in place that equalised the black levels without making an obvious hit to the white level when comparing movies (wanted to measure, but no time unfortunately). That would give ND filter options for 709 material with the Epson. Sharpness wise with 4k of course the Sony wins, but not by a large amount with moving images. Using eshift mode 3 added sharpness to the Epson which made it closer to the Sony with 4k source material but with more static images that looked a little processed. For a third of the price, you would get something that wasn't a million miles away from the Sony in sharpness but similar in contrast.
The DI was a little audible with some scenes but appeared to work well in the limited time I saw it. Other reviewers her who have had the pj for a few days (it's being passed around various dealers here in the UK) said they saw it working and turned it off.
With the pj about 18ins to 2 feet behind my head, the fan was very quiet in eco mode. Other modes were more audible, especially high lamp mode. Couldn't see any real difference in image brightness in the middle mode though the fan did ramp up a little.
It's no longer competing with the 1080 Sonys IMHO, it's now going up against the JVCs and 4k Sonys and doing it quite well IMHO. For the price it's certainly worth demong to see if it ticks your boxes and if the extra cost of the JVC or Sony's offer you something extra that you feel is worth that extra cost. For some the contrast or true 4k would be worth the premium, for others, maybe not so much.
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