NEW DISCOVERIES IN BETTY HILL'S STAR MAP

[mk23666]

http://www.kochkyborg.de/BBHill/hill02.htm

NEW DISCOVERIES IN BETTY HILL'S STAR MAP written by Joachim Koch and Hans-Juergen Kyborg ©1993,1995, Berlin, Germany English version co-edited by Doug Girling, Vancouver, Canada,©1995 Contents: Abstract Introduction The "Star Map" - What do we Know? Some Considerations About Betty Hill's Descriptions The Discovery The Results "And he said that he wished I knew more about this..." Afterword Bibliography Abstract HE story of Betty and Barney Hill is well known in UFOlogy; during a 1961 abduction, Betty Hill was shown a "star map" by one of the aliens, a map which she was able to later draw after hypnotic regression. The most promising interpretation of this map, made by Ms. Marjorie Fish in 1972, was that the aliens' home system was in Zeta Reticuli. We present here a new interpretation of Betty Hill's map: that it is a view of our solar system at the time of the abduction, from a viewpoint slightly beyond Saturn, looking towards the sun. We believe that this interpretation fits more of the data than the Fish interpretation. We also believe, in the context of Mrs. Hill's abduction experience, that it is more rational for the alien to first use a display of the local solar system to determine Mrs. Hill's astronomical knowledge.

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[Barry Warmkessel]

I have not read this yet with an eye towards analysis.

But I had analysed the star map earlier and Betty Hill herself sent me her version with additional details that she remembered.

http://www.yaridanjo.warmkessel.com/hilalien.html

THE HILL ALIENS

Also used was the Astro-metric version of planet formation theory.

http://www.yaridanjo.warmkessel.com/planets.html

OTHER SOLAR SYSTEMS

There is a crop image that seems to verify the findings.

http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/SAUCERS6.html#4

THE ALIEN CROP CIRCLE FORMATION MECHANISM

And they may have used these results in a movie.

• PANDORA AS DEPICTED IN THE MOVIE AVATAR
  The avatar movie depicts humans visiting an alien world that is a satellite of a large planet.
  Pandora Discovered
  "Pandora is a satellite of a Saturn sized planet (Polyphemus) in the Alpha Centauri A star solar system. It is depicted as one of at least four satellites as three others are shown." 
  
  ASTRO-METRICS, in the OTHER SOLAR SYSTEMS section reported that there is just such a multi-Jovian sized planet orbiting the A star of this star system. However, its mass is about 24 times that of Saturn thus it would appear to be about two or three times larger in diameter. It has four major satellites, one of which is almost as large as Earth. See Table 10-2. 
  
  Table 10-2 
  Planetary Satellites Orbiting Selected Planets In The Alpha Centauri And 26 Draconis Star Systems
  
  • Planet Orbit* (AU) - Mass (Earth Masses) 
    Sun/Saturn 9.52 - 95
    • Satellite: Orbit (AU) - Mass (Earth Masses)
    • S-1: 0.0071 - 0.0226
    • S-2: rings
    • S-3: 0.0031 - 0.0004
    • S-4: 0.0022 - 0.0002
    Planet Orbit* (AU) - Mass (Earth Masses) 
    Alpha Centauri A/Planet h 1.17 - 2270 Polyphemus
    • Satellite: Orbit (AU) - Mass (Earth Masses)
    • h-1: 0.16 - 0.62
    • h-2: 0.11 - 0.90 Pandora - "Earth sized satellite "
    • h-3: 0.08 - 0.28
    • h-4: 0.056 - 0.51
  • Planet Orbit* (AU) - Mass (Earth Masses) 
    Alpha Centauri A/Planet i 0.78 - 206
    • Satellite: Orbit (AU) - Mass (Earth Masses)
    • i-1: 0.060 - 0.48
    • i-2: 0.043 - rings
    • i-3: 0.030 - 0.0085
    • i-4: 0.021 - 0.0040
  We found that the Hill Aliens, AKA the Grey Aliens. We call them the Hill Aliens because they abducted Betty Hill and her husband. She remembered the experience and provided a map to their home star system. Analysis of her map showed that their home world was on the satellites of a large planet orbiting the A star of the Alpha Centauri star system. 
  
  This association of the Grey Aliens home worlds being on the satellites of a large planet apparently is verified by the CHILBOLTON crop circle because a Grey Alien body type is depicted in it as well as their solar system. Notice that in their solar system, there is a second large planet just further away from their Sun, but that their Sun is depicted as smaller than our Sun.
• AVATAR'S MOON PANDORA COULD BE REAL - December 17, 2009
  This artist's conception shows a hypothetical gas giant planet with an Earth- like moon similar to the moon Pandora in the movie Avatar. New research shows that, if we find such an "exomoon" in the habitable zone of a nearby star, the James Webb Space Telescope will be able to study its atmosphere and detect key gases like carbon dioxide, oxygen, and water. 
  So far, planet searches have spotted hundreds of Jupiter-sized objects in a range of orbits. Gas giants, while easier to detect, could not serve as homes for life as we know it. However, scientists have speculated whether a rocky moon orbiting a gas giant could be life-friendly, if that planet orbited within the star's habitable zone (the region warm enough for liquid water to exist). 
  Kaltenegger calculated what conditions are best for examining the atmospheres of alien moons. She found that Alpha Centauri A, the system featured in Avatar, would be an excellent target. 
  "Alpha Centauri A is a bright, nearby star very similar to our Sun, so it gives us a strong signal" Kaltenegger explained. "You would only need a handful of transits to find water, oxygen, carbon dioxide, and methane on an Earth-like moon such as Pandora."

I am looking forward to see what others have found on Bettys map.  She was a great and honest woman, not like some that wrote about what she had found.

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[mk23666]

If only Betty had just taken a guess at where "we" were located on the map maybe there would be better context to what she saw.

[Barry Warmkessel]

The tricks needed to understand the Betty Hill star map are.

1. The Sun is part of a binary star system where the companion star is not lit.

2. The ET aliens count in some form of binary (like octal).  This is because the Greys have two short and two long fingers on their hands.

3. The ET aliens express distance in a triangular fashion with one led of the triangle as a known reference distance.

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On May 18, 2013, at 12:20 PM, "mk23666" <mk2...@aol.com> wrote:

If only Betty had just taken a guess at where "we" were located on the map maybe there would be better context to what she saw.

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[Barry Warmkessel]

I have not looked at this analysis for a long time.  I notice that we computed the Sun Vulcan separation back in 1994 as 553 AU based on the distance of Proxima Centauri as depicted by the Hill Star map.

In those days, we had a very bad estimate of the distance of Vulcan to the Sun as 70 AU.

In 2002, we got our current estimate of the Sun Vulcan system to be 448 AU as of 1970.  Betty was abducted in 1961, and Vulcan was within one AU or less of aphelion then.

So Betty's photographic memory got the numbers right to within about 20%.  And this had to be extracted from log values.  I think Betty did pretty damn good. The late Betty Hill is really a woman to admire

BTW, our model requires double and quadruple lines where she said there were such lines.

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[Alan Cornette]

If one thinks a little on this, you remember how a certain individual (and others in scholarly positions) mislead the public on just about anything to do with UFOs, especially with abductions. This individual became a propaganda spokes person for all the news outlets (which were themselves, controlled by others) on such matters. I admire those people courageous enough to face the ridicule and stand to testify about their experiences. Betty and Barney were two of them.  Al C.

[mk23666]

What are you saying exactly?

On Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:42:55 AM UTC-4, Alan Cornette wrote:

If one thinks a little on this, you remember how a certain individual (and others in scholarly positions) mislead the public on just about anything to do with UFOs, especially with abductions. This individual became a propaganda spokes person for all the news outlets (which were themselves, controlled by others) on such matters. I admire those people courageous enough to face the ridicule and stand to testify about their experiences. Betty and Barney were two of them.  Al C.

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Barry Warmkessel <yari...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have not looked at this analysis for a long time.  I notice that we computed the Sun Vulcan separation back in 1994 as 553 AU based on the distance of Proxima Centauri as depicted by the Hill Star map.

In those days, we had a very bad estimate of the distance of Vulcan to the Sun as 70 AU.

In 2002, we got our current estimate of the Sun Vulcan system to be 448 AU as of 1970.  Betty was abducted in 1961, and Vulcan was within one AU or less of aphelion then.

So Betty's photographic memory got the numbers right to within about 20%.  And this had to be extracted from log values.  I think Betty did pretty damn good. The late Betty Hill is really a woman to admire

BTW, our model requires double and quadruple lines where she said there were such lines.

Sent from my iPad

On May 19, 2013, at 12:55 AM, "Barry Warmkessel" <yari...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The tricks needed to understand the Betty Hill star map are.

1. The Sun is part of a binary star system where the companion star is not lit.

2. The ET aliens count in some form of binary (like octal).  This is because the Greys have two short and two long fingers on their hands.

3. The ET aliens express distance in a triangular fashion with one led of the triangle as a known reference distance.

Sent from my iPad

On May 18, 2013, at 12:20 PM, "mk23666" <mk2...@aol.com> wrote:

If only Betty had just taken a guess at where "we" were located on the map maybe there would be better context to what she saw.

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[mk23666]

Since the aliens didn't point out any reference points to Betty on the map she saw, nor did they answer her question as to where they were from isn't all of these theories just us making things fit a certain way of thinking?

On Sunday, May 19, 2013 3:55:42 AM UTC-4, Barry Warmkessel wrote:

The tricks needed to understand the Betty Hill star map are.

1. The Sun is part of a binary star system where the companion star is not lit.

2. The ET aliens count in some form of binary (like octal).  This is because the Greys have two short and two long fingers on their hands.

3. The ET aliens express distance in a triangular fashion with one led of the triangle as a known reference distance.

Sent from my iPad

On May 18, 2013, at 12:20 PM, "mk23666" <mk2...@aol.com> wrote:

If only Betty had just taken a guess at where "we" were located on the map maybe there would be better context to what she saw.

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[wayne james]

indeed it is mark, speculation to a theory with no evidence to base fact on is not the way forward. i don't know much about the story, but logical reasoning should be of importance, speculation is always a variable without solid implication of factual information. 

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[wayne james]

barry ET's do indeed express distance in triangular terms, so do i if you could understand the logic, mankind does not fully understand 3 dimensions yet, and the logic of science over the past 50-60 years is disgustingly off track, you went wrong with einstein, most theory in science is still square and 2 dimensional.

let me ask this in its most logical term! 

why the hell would you square the speed of light? light is the interaction of energy and matter? what the f*** does the square route of light prove?

the answer is nothing my friends

because you cant square light as it is 3 dimensional 

einsteins calc should be E=mC3 but that doesn't work does it aha

i thank god there are still elders out there for me who i can relate too

[Wayne J]

here is the score of why distance is calculated triangular and its not as a reference point, its due to gravity, ether density, mans logic (einsteins) presumes the fastest route to a location is direct in a strait line, or by curving space (no comment lol), that is the case if you have a power source that can manipulate matter and its not like curving space cus that's just stupid, its more like manipulating gravity of mass and using its elasticity! most species in the universe don't have this ability, so they use the gravity tubes between stars, traveling faster or near to the speed of light, the shortest route is not always the fastest, the fastest route is the one with the least resistance. electricity proves this 100% of the time!

told you you wont understand it and that's simplified!

On Sunday, 19 May 2013 23:01:39 UTC+1, wayne james wrote:

barry ET's do indeed express distance in triangular terms, so do i if you could understand the logic, mankind does not fully understand 3 dimensions yet, and the logic of science over the past 50-60 years is disgustingly off track, you went wrong with einstein, most theory in science is still square and 2 dimensional.

let me ask this in its most logical term! 

why the hell would you square the speed of light? light is the interaction of energy and matter? what the f*** does the square route of light prove?

the answer is nothing my friends

because you cant square light as it is 3 dimensional 

einsteins calc should be E=mC3 but that doesn't work does it aha

i thank god there are still elders out there for me who i can relate too

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, wayne james <semaj...@googlemail.com> wrote:

indeed it is mark, speculation to a theory with no evidence to base fact on is not the way forward. i don't know much about the story, but logical reasoning should be of importance, speculation is always a variable without solid implication of factual information. 

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM, mk23666 <mk2...@aol.com> wrote:

Since the aliens didn't point out any reference points to Betty on the map she saw, nor did they answer her question as to where they were from isn't all of these theories just us making things fit a certain way of thinking?

On Sunday, May 19, 2013 3:55:42 AM UTC-4, Barry Warmkessel wrote:

The tricks needed to understand the Betty Hill star map are.

1. The Sun is part of a binary star system where the companion star is not lit.

2. The ET aliens count in some form of binary (like octal).  This is because the Greys have two short and two long fingers on their hands.

3. The ET aliens express distance in a triangular fashion with one led of the triangle as a known reference distance.

Sent from my iPad

On May 18, 2013, at 12:20 PM, "mk23666" <mk2...@aol.com> wrote:

If only Betty had just taken a guess at where "we" were located on the map maybe there would be better context to what she saw.

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[wayne james]

you mean these lines? not done anything with these so i cant speculate.

outstanding! very very close indeed sue, your beginning to see it, the tubes on earth only link to the spheres in our solar system apart from the sun, witch has links to most the red and yellow stars in our local area of space, then as you can guess this continues all the way to centre and beyond, this is where you get the tree of life, referring back to sichin who i find a magnificent help in knowing the infirmation that enki left us, the agigi are a humanoid species from the anunaki home system, they have mapped the entire galaxy. 

here is where you got lost just sue,

2 dimensional space is square, it can be squared and it will give you einsteins answers if you keep looking at it from a 2 dimensional viewpoint, this was the ploy of the U.S government as a friend kindly pointed out earlier, to mislead the entire human race, discredit Tesla publically and put Einstein at the top of science, then keep tesla's work locked up as top secret for there use only! now if that doesn't sound like nazi scum i don't know what is, and it is the truth because it happened!

The problem is they cant understand his work enough to follow it, aha.  in 60 years the u.s has achieved next to nothing compared to tesla, and im closer to the truth  than they are (im only 38 and i had to grow up first aha. that's how dumb the u.s government is, i bet it was a nice ride for them thinking there daddy, but there time is ending, and unless they change there ways it will end miserably for them.

back to it though, k, you have your square lattice 2 dimensional particles yes, quarks flat and square at 90 degree angles the next stage is to make it 3 dimensional and to do this you need to layer on top of the first layer another layer of 2 dimensional squares, these are offset for a specific reason ZPE, every square has links to the next layer through the energy of the electron grid these must be equilateral in lattice formation, its the only way to keep equilibrium in matter, you see this as energy spiraling over matter in this shape, the standard pyramid, this is why tesla's goodies are all conical, because it is the shape of the equilateral triangle witch is the vector of energy flow 60 degree's, ever wonder why we use 60 Htz electricity lol, its the flow of energy over matter. the 4 corners is 2 dimensional particles being bought into 3 dimensional existence through the Prana, life giving force. the electron lattice grid (earth, wind, fire, water) the four corners 

Tesla: there is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment!

i think it might be time to start on that book, its too much information to explain in a page or 2

i'll try to answer any questions about this that you peeps have so don't be afraid to ask, there are somethings im reluctant to tell though because if used wrongly, you can make some pretty devastating weapons and i don't want to encourage the idiots in power at the moment.

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Sue <sueh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Hi everyone

To add to Wayne’s very interesting comments ...

I believe there are certain places here on earth where wormhole or portals have been used by aliens to visit us here on earth. There are twelve portals here on earth, the most famous of these is the Bermuda Triangle. The portals make two lines around the globe, with two others at the north and south poles. These portals or wormholes connect planets, solar systems, galaxies, and universes.

Strange Ariel drawings known as "Ley Lines" direct UFO’s to these portals. Some of these drawings are 600 feet across and it is difficult to fathom how such drawing could have been made. Who made these strange drawings and for what purpose? What other explanation could there be for such Ariel drawings except as a guide for alien space ships?

Do we as 3-dimensional beings fully understand the nature of 3-D space? When we look at any everyday object, do we see its three dimensions as they really are?

 

We all know, of course, that the three angles that meet at the corner of any cube are all 90-degree angles. Why is it, then, that we can never actually see three distinct 90-degree angles all at once? When we look at the corner of a cube "from an angle", what we actually see, that is, the image that is projected upon our retinas, is one of three angles, all of which measure more than 90 degrees! In fact, when we add them all together, we get 360 degrees, and not 270 degrees as should be expected. This is simply because the "tilting" of the object, which is necessary in order to observe all three angles at once, put the three mutually perpendicular axes of the cube into the two-dimensional plane of our vision, and as a result the angles are distorted. Of course, the angles are not actually distorted; they only appear to be. And that is the whole point of the matter. Every three-dimensional object that we see, whether we realize it or not, appears distorted, since we are looking at it "edgewise"! We can never physically see three dimensions simultaneously as they actually exist in reality.

 

The earth should freely belong to all of it's inhabitants. If we all had the kind of access that is right for us to have there would not be any of the disparaging situations or conditions that exist today on this earth.  It should not be held away from the people whom it belongs to.

 

With kind regards

 

Sue

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[Wayne J]

cant remember who asked, but why i think 2 dimensional space is square is cus the worlds math wouldn't be getting the figures they are if it wasn't, and plus this, 2 dimensions basically means 2 points of existence, it can be symbolised by drawing a strait line from point A to point B, as the first charge passes over the quark it gets polarized making its point A magnetically north and point B its south, + and - in respect to its charge rotating round it, a particle is formed within the energy grid of the electron when 3 quarks line up from magnetic attraction sitting in this layout +/-/+ at one edge and -/+/- at the opposite end of the quarks this gives you a 2 dimensional square at 90 degrees witch is your basic element hydrogen

kind regards 

wayne

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[wayne james]

sorry a little mistake there at the end lol, it gives you a 2 dimensional square under energy witch forms a 3 dimensional particle of hydrogen the first basic element.

[wayne james]

a better explanation for the technical peeps.

http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/252/2d_wells.html

[Alan Cornette]

Sorry, thought I had answered this. What I'm saying about Betty and Barney is obvious; As I learned some time ago, one cannot name names in certain matters. This was in the time of Velikovsky's books (the 1950s) and- through the 1970s and 80s. Sorry to be vague, and I sometimes forget my age. Damn, I matured with Velikovsky and the time of some great discoveries in astronomy and I'm still in touch with his principle researcher. Some of those discoveries certainly went against scholastic "grain." Al C.

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[mk23666]

So you are suggesting this new theory on what the star map may be showing is another attempt at misleading the public? I don't quite follow that logic if that is your position.

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:57:59 AM UTC-4, Alan Cornette wrote:

Sorry, thought I had answered this. What I'm saying about Betty and Barney is obvious; As I learned some time ago, one cannot name names in certain matters. This was in the time of Velikovsky's books (the 1950s) and- through the 1970s and 80s. Sorry to be vague, and I sometimes forget my age. Damn, I matured with Velikovsky and the time of some great discoveries in astronomy and I'm still in touch with his principle researcher. Some of those discoveries certainly went against scholastic "grain." Al C.

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM, mk23666 <mk2...@aol.com> wrote:

What are you saying exactly?

On Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:42:55 AM UTC-4, Alan Cornette wrote:

If one thinks a little on this, you remember how a certain individual (and others in scholarly positions) mislead the public on just about anything to do with UFOs, especially with abductions. This individual became a propaganda spokes person for all the news outlets (which were themselves, controlled by others) on such matters. I admire those people courageous enough to face the ridicule and stand to testify about their experiences. Betty and Barney were two of them.  Al C.

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Barry Warmkessel <yari...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have not looked at this analysis for a long time.  I notice that we computed the Sun Vulcan separation back in 1994 as 553 AU based on the distance of Proxima Centauri as depicted by the Hill Star map.

In those days, we had a very bad estimate of the distance of Vulcan to the Sun as 70 AU.

In 2002, we got our current estimate of the Sun Vulcan system to be 448 AU as of 1970.  Betty was abducted in 1961, and Vulcan was within one AU or less of aphelion then.

So Betty's photographic memory got the numbers right to within about 20%.  And this had to be extracted from log values.  I think Betty did pretty damn good. The late Betty Hill is really a woman to admire

BTW, our model requires double and quadruple lines where she said there were such lines.

Sent from my iPad

On May 19, 2013, at 12:55 AM, "Barry Warmkessel" <yari...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The tricks needed to understand the Betty Hill star map are.

1. The Sun is part of a binary star system where the companion star is not lit.

2. The ET aliens count in some form of binary (like octal).  This is because the Greys have two short and two long fingers on their hands.

3. The ET aliens express distance in a triangular fashion with one led of the triangle as a known reference distance.

Sent from my iPad

On May 18, 2013, at 12:20 PM, "mk23666" <mk2...@aol.com> wrote:

If only Betty had just taken a guess at where "we" were located on the map maybe there would be better context to what she saw.

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[Alan Cornette]

Do, I don't buy into that map, although the possibility exists that it has at least some authenticity.  I was only suggesting that Betty and Barney were courageous enough to speak truthfully of their experiences - at least what they may have 'thought' was a true experience. I admire that in people. This is always debatable, especially with debunkers criticizing all UFO reports. Al C.

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[mk23666]

So you don't buy into Betty's map? What other kind of experience could Betty and Barney have had if it weren't a true one, I'm lost. 

[Alan Cornette]

Maybe I should have said "totally" buy into the map. I did say it at least had "some authenticity." In this case "authenticity" means part of the map could have been correct. I'm just a little skeptical of reproducing a map under hypnosis - unless Betty Hill had a photographic memory - maybe she did. I do believe they experienced an abduction. I DID NOT say their experience was not true. They were ridiculed for their sincerity. Sorry if I've confused the subject. Al C.

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[Barry Warmkessel]

Betty did have a photographic memory and she took and passed a polygraph test.  

Her honesty in this map matter was a lot more than other UFO researchers who made a copy of the map DELETING the information necessary to understand it. 

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[mk23666]

Betty's honesty isn't in question for me. She only assumed it was a star map of nearby stars so yeah she could pass a lie detector test. The alien didn't give her anymore info on what she was looking at, so the map could have been a map of our star and surrounding planets and still been a "star map." It could just as easily have been a map of nearby stars, but Betty said that some of the points of light seem to move as she looked at it. This movement she mentions would better suit a solar system map than it would far flung distant stars on a star map. 

I think the new researchers theory is a better match. (Why show you a map of the state when you can't even find your house on a map of your city)

The initial researcher into Betty's map was the one removing information from the map, these new researchers did no such thing.