Alan Alford 1961-2011

[andy lloyd]

Alan Alford 1961-2011

It is with sadness that I report to the group the untimely death of
Alan Alford. His passing was announced by relatives through his
Facebook account this week, and I've also been in contact with his
friend Lloyd Pye about this shocking news today - so it seems to be
true, regretably.

Alan wrote some very intense books, initially about Zecharia Sitchin's
theory, and then about his own notions of the origin of religion and
myth. His book 'Gods of the New Millennium' was the text which first
introduced me to Sitchin - whose work was not very well appreciated
here in the UK. Alan's books were thoroughly researched, clearly
written, and very, very deep. He packed in a vast wealth of
references, much of it obscure and esoteric. His books are something
of a goldmine for alternative knowledge researchers, and the questions
he raised were wide-ranging and profound.

Although Alan hailed from the West Midlands, in recent years he has
gotten away from it all somewhat, having taken up residence in
Kathmandu, Nepal. He was recently finishing his latest book, which
has been a long time in coming, and will hopefully still see the light
of day.

I met Alan only once - at a UFO conference in Leeds - and had on/off
email correspondence with him over the years. Although I was not
particularly pleased with the direction his research took him in, or
his later denunciation of Sitchin's theories, I will miss his
studious, enlightened personality, and the solid contribution his
scholarship represented in our field of research. My thoughts are
with his wife after this untimely loss. Rest in Peace, Alan.

Andy Lloyd
18/11/11

[tarkin]

Hi Andy,

That is sad news to hear.

I too have corresponded with Alan. I bet him a beer that there would
be proof of Atlantis within 20 years! (The kind of proof that
mainstream archeologists would accept.) One of us would collect in
2022. Ah well, he most likely knows now.

He thought that Atlantis was a myth and I thought that Atlantis is
real (Antarctica to be precise). I still have those emails of our
discussion. It brings back memories.

Thanks,

John

[mk23666]

You both may be wrong ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1HFDqvgUiQ
www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/03/14/tech-atlantis-spain.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42072469/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/lost-city-atlantis-believed-found-spain/

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[tarkin]

In my opinion, there is an ancient city located in Spain. An outpost
of Atlantis possibly. As are the Bahamas, and elsewhere.

Tarkin

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> You both may be wrong ...www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1HFDqvgUiQwww.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/03/14/tech-atlantis-spain.htmlhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42072469/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...

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Aren't the Bahamas volcanic islands? and relatively new, witch means they really couldn't of been around when atlantis was said to exist. I'm not doubting it, I'm just wondering why you think that..

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[semaj...@googlemail.com]

Didn't know that, thanks! To be fair I don't know much about atlantis only that it lay beyond the pillars of Hercules and when it got destroyed the inhabitants spread to the continents we know today, apart from that I know very little. hmmm I see a study coming on ;)
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No, the Bahamas are not volcanic. They are old though. There have been ancient ruins discovered a few feet to hundreds of feet under the ocean's surface there (Bimini island). To be fair, mainstream science disputes this. Recall at the time of Atlantis the ocean levels were a lot lower back then, an estimated 200 to 300 feet lower than today's levels.

John Stiff (Contractor CSC)

[mk23666]

Interesting find on how the Bahamas possibly got their shapes.
http://www.losthistorypublishing.com/Catastrophe.html

[semaj...@googlemail.com]

I too believe our best chance of finding preserved evidence of ancient technology and possibly atlantis, even maybe alien dna, may sit deep under the ice in the Antarctic, there is one thing I remember from greek mythology that stood out to me, the city of the gods! Olympus was said to sit above the clouds, high in the mountains. So I get the idea that this being around the same time maybe, if that's the case then atlantis wouldn't be too far from it and that rules out the mid atlantic. Just a thought, I don't know enough on this to state anything of significance...

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Subject: RE: Alan Alford 1961-2011

The key question is what did Plato mean by "beyond the pillars of Hercules". The classic area is the mid-Atlantic ridge. Some claim this means the Canary Islands (nearby in my opinion). Some claim Atlantis was in Indonesia. I recall reading speculation that this is where the "pillars of Hercules" resides The area around Lake Titicaca shows evidence of a city with circular canals, yet this area is high up in the Andes mountains. It is possible way back then that this was at sea level. I am in agreement with the author Rand Fem-Ath. He offers evidence favoring Atlantis in Antarctica.

http://www.flem-ath.com/

[mk23666]

New theory on the end of the "Ice Age" being started by a collapse of
the Antartic ice shelf ... FIRST!
Sitchin has got to be smiling where ever he is right now.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0317_030317_iceshelf.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0317_030317_iceshelf_2.html

[Barry Warmkessel]

A comet impact took out Atlantis 11,703 years before 2000 AD.

• Swarm A:Cl-1 Strike DANISH ARCTIC RESEARCH DATES ICE AGE
  The result of a Danish ice drilling project has become the international standard for the termination of the last glacial period. It ended precisely 11,711 years ago. 
  “Our new, extremely detailed data from the examination of the ice cores shows that in the transition from the ice age to our current warm, interglacial period the climate shift is so sudden that it is as if a button was pressed? explains ice core researcher Jørgen Peder Steffensen, Centre for Ice and Climate at NBI at the University of Copenhagen.
• Swarm A:Cl-1 Strike NBI NEWS: GOLDEN SPIKE IN ICE CORE - Video
  Ice Age ended exactly 11,703 years ago measured from 2000 AD.
• Swarm A:Cl-1 StrikeDETERMINATION OF END OF THE ICE AGE? 
  To summarize, the term ice age is in the eye (or mind) of the beholder. In Denmark the ice age ended 11,703 years ago as arctic conditions vanished for good. Globally however, the ice age began to go away 18,000 years ago and was completely gone 8,000 or 9,000 years ago as the last pieces to the Scandinavian and Canadian ice sheets melted away.
• Swarm A:Cl-1 StrikeWHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE ICE AGE?
  The last cold ripple ended 11.711 years ago and as this ripple lies so close to the ice age’s general end, the ice age never returned and there have not been any ripples since. Fortunately. Because it takes circa 10.000 years for an ice age to gradually come to an end; but for a climate ripple (for example, the end of the Younger Dryas) the change in weather took, 25 years later, just one year, temperature wise.
• Swarm A:Cl-1 Strike THE YOUNGER DRYAS
  Note: 11.81 kyr BP aka YA (during the Younger Dryas)

Atlantis was scattered on many islands around the Atlantic, but the seat of government was on Hispaniola where Haiti and the Dominican Republic are today.  The site that put for the evidences is now down unfortunately.

• CORROBORATING EVIDENCE ON THE REALITY OF ATLANTIS
  Plato affirms that the demise of Atlantis took place "9,000 years before the times of Solon". Now, Solon visited Egypt at about 600 BC, which adds to a total of about 11,600 BP (Before Present). Now, this is precisely the date of the cataclysmic ending of the Pleistocene Ice Age, as given by the geologic record. So, we are led to conclude that Plato's date is correct, and that the Greek philosopher indeed knew what he was talking about.
• CUBA VERSUS HISPANIOLA ?THE ATLANTIS DEBATE CONTINUES
  Although the view that Hispaniola was ancient Atlantis has been given a boost again recently by Professor Emilio Spedicato of Bergamo University, I argue that the island of Atlantis described in Plato's Timaeus and Critias is the neighbouring island of Cuba (see the TRUE LOCATION section of the website). Even Emilio, after reading GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS, has admitted that Cuba is `a very good candidate' for the title of Atlantis. He further adds that `only archaeological work will perhaps solve the riddle.'
  Yet just as Plato describes, it was drowned beneath the waves following 'earthquakes and floods' of the sort proposed in connection with the Carolina Bays cometary impact of the ninth millennium BC (see GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS).

The comet accompanied by a swarm of Kuiper belt debris swept over the poles, and many of the stones or ice chunks hit in Alaska and in the Carolina forming the Carolina Bays.

• CAROLINA BAYS GOUGED INTO THE GROUND AT A MAGNETIC REVERSAL - 28 Jul 09
  Is it just a coincidence that more than two million huge holes were gouged into the ground - all at the same time - about 12,000 years ago at a magnetic reversal? 
  Today, the general consensus is that these massive elliptical scars were somehow created by a comet or meteorite exploding above the earth.
• CAROLINA BAY'S THE MYSTERY
  Carolina bay ecosystems are formed in elliptical depressions which occur abundantly across the surface of the earth. USA showered by a watery comet ~11,000 years ago,ending the Golden Age of man in America. Carolina Bays from the Polynesian Pathways By Peter Marsh 
  From Andrew Collins book; "Gateway to Atlantis" we get the following interesting information. Many native American traditions tell of a moon fell out of the sky, onto the earth. During it's passage through the sky it looked like a feiry snake, there were terrible earth quakes and the day turned into night, there was a gigantic flood and a formidable rain that lasted many days, many people died. This most likely describes the impact of the comet that created the Carolina Bays. 
  Also from further south in the Carolinas we have the following very interesting tradition: "a star fell to the earth, and rain soon followed (oceanic impact, causing vast amounts of water to evaporate). Days and days of rain quenched the fire. Great holes burned in the earth by the fire were filled, forming a great in land sea.

The main body hit in the Atlantic ocean,

• AN IMPACT CRATER IN NORTHEAST SOUTH CAROLINA
  Inferred from Potential Field Data Although over 50 meteorite impact craters have been identified in North America, from Alaska to Chicxulub, Mexico, until now none have been reported from the southeastern Atlantic states.
• TOMS CANYON IMPACT CRATER
• VIRGINIA'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL IMPACT CRATER
• DOUBLE IMPACT CRATER ON THE ATLANTIC SEABED?
• INVESTIGATION OF A POTENTIAL METEORITE IMPACT CRATER, ATLANTIC COASTAL PLAIN, NORTH CAROLINA
  Examination of aerial photography from the inner Atlantic Coastal Plain/Piedmont transition identified an anomalous circular feature which was hypothesized to represent the margins of a meteorite impact crater. This feature is approximately 2.5 km in diameter and its margins are outlined by drainages that lie 10 m lower than the topographically higher central area.

 and the resulting tsunami washed the Hispaniola infrastructure away.

• PERHAPS A TSUNAMI SANK ATLANTIS
  THERE occurred violent earthquakes and floods...the island of Atlantis disappeared in the depths of the sea." That was how Greek philosopher Plato described the destruction of the legendary city. Now new evidence suggests that he was writing about a devastating tsunami. 
  Plato describes destruction in a single day and night - not over a week, not over a century - pointing to one catastrophic event. He talks about violent earthquakes and flooding, implying there was ...

The timing of the Atlantis event fits our Vulcan and comets in a 3/2 resonate model to a tee - being only one year off from the predicted theoretical value (2 X 4969 years = 9938 years).

http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/ISA.html#13

The precise difference between these three comet perihelions reflects exactly two Vulcan orbital periods. That difference, 236 AD to 11,703 years ago from 2000 AD, is exactly 9939 years. Vulcan’s orbital period must be 4969.5 +/- 10 years (one sigma). Thus it is statistically likely that one of the multiple objects in the error box of IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Survey) - pg L7) object IRAS 1732+239 is Vulcan and that the orbital parameters derived from it are correct.

 

[TraumaMdc]

I did not know him but am sorry for your loss, Andy and others.

[mk23666]

Interesting, The comet must have been huge and broke apart well before
it hit Earth because there are several sites around the globe that
point to tsunamic events happening at/around the same time period that
were caused by a meteor or comet strike. South Africa, Madagascar,
Australia and New Zealand come to mind. There are also oceanagraphic
pictures of the Antarctic continental shelf and surrounding undersea
mounts that look as if they were scraped clean. (Either by slow
glacial movements or very abrupt glacial movements.

On Nov 22, 1:17 am, Barry Warmkessel <yarida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A comet impact took out Atlantis 11,703 years before 2000 AD.
>
> Swarm A:Cl-1 Strike DANISH ARCTIC RESEARCH DATES ICE AGE
> The result of a Danish ice drilling project has become the international standard for the termination of the last glacial period. It ended precisely 11,711 years ago.

> “Our new, extremely detailed data from the examination of the ice cores shows that in the transition from the ice age to our current warm, interglacial period the climate shift is so sudden that it is as if a button was pressed? explains ice core researcher Jørgen Peder Steffensen, Centre for Ice and Climate at NBI at the University of Copenhagen.Swarm A:Cl-1 Strike NBI NEWS: GOLDEN SPIKE IN ICE CORE - Video
> Ice Age ended exactly 11,703 years ago measured from 2000 AD.Swarm A:Cl-1 StrikeDETERMINATION OF END OF THE ICE AGE?
> To summarize, the term ice age is in the eye (or mind) of the beholder. In Denmark the ice age ended 11,703 years ago as arctic conditions vanished for good. Globally however, the ice age began to go away 18,000 years ago and was completely gone 8,000 or 9,000 years ago as the last pieces to the Scandinavian and Canadian ice sheets melted away.Swarm A:Cl-1 StrikeWHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE ICE AGE?
> The last cold ripple ended 11.711 years ago and as this ripple lies so close to the ice age’s general end, the ice age never returned and there have not been any ripples since. Fortunately. Because it takes circa 10.000 years for an ice age to gradually come to an end; but for a climate ripple (for example, the end of the Younger Dryas) the change in weather took, 25 years later, just one year, temperature wise.Swarm A:Cl-1 Strike THE YOUNGER DRYAS

> Note: 11.81 kyr BP aka YA (during the Younger Dryas)
> Atlantis was scattered on many islands around the Atlantic, but the seat of government was on Hispaniola where Haiti and the Dominican Republic are today.  The site that put for the evidences is now down unfortunately.
>
> CORROBORATING EVIDENCE ON THE REALITY OF ATLANTIS

> Plato affirms that the demise of Atlantis took place "9,000 years before the times of Solon". Now, Solon visited Egypt at about 600 BC, which adds to a total of about 11,600 BP (Before Present). Now, this is precisely the date of the cataclysmic ending of the Pleistocene Ice Age, as given by the geologic record. So, we are led to conclude that Plato's date is correct, and that the Greek philosopher indeed knew what he was talking about.CUBA VERSUS HISPANIOLA ?THE ATLANTIS DEBATE CONTINUES

> Although the view that Hispaniola was ancient Atlantis has been given a boost again recently by Professor Emilio Spedicato of Bergamo University, I argue that the island of Atlantis described in Plato's Timaeus and Critias is the neighbouring island of Cuba (see the TRUE LOCATION section of the website). Even Emilio, after reading GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS, has admitted that Cuba is `a very good candidate' for the title of Atlantis. He further adds that `only archaeological work will perhaps solve the riddle.'
> Yet just as Plato describes, it was drowned beneath the waves following 'earthquakes and floods' of the sort proposed in connection with the Carolina Bays cometary impact of the ninth millennium BC (see GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS).
>
> The comet accompanied by a swarm of Kuiper belt debris swept over the poles, and many of the stones or ice chunks hit in Alaska and in the Carolina forming the Carolina Bays.
>
> CAROLINA BAYS GOUGED INTO THE GROUND AT A MAGNETIC REVERSAL - 28 Jul 09
> Is it just a coincidence that more than two million huge holes were gouged into the ground - all at the same time - about 12,000 years ago at a magnetic reversal?

> Today, the general consensus is that these massive elliptical scars were somehow created by a comet or meteorite exploding above the earth.CAROLINA BAY'S THE MYSTERY

> Carolina bay ecosystems are formed in elliptical depressions which occur abundantly across the surface of the earth. USA showered by a watery comet ~11,000 years ago,ending the Golden Age of man in America. Carolina Bays from the Polynesian Pathways By Peter Marsh
> From Andrew Collins book; "Gateway to Atlantis" we get the following interesting information. Many native American traditions tell of a moon fell out of the sky, onto the earth. During it's passage through the sky it looked like a feiry snake, there were terrible earth quakes and the day turned into night, there was a gigantic flood and a formidable rain that lasted many days, many people died. This most likely describes the impact of the comet that created the Carolina Bays.
> Also from further south in the Carolinas we have the following very interesting tradition: "a star fell to the earth, and rain soon followed (oceanic impact, causing vast amounts of water to evaporate). Days and days of rain quenched the fire. Great holes burned in the earth by the fire were filled, forming a great in land sea.
> The main body hit in the Atlantic ocean,
> AN IMPACT CRATER IN NORTHEAST SOUTH CAROLINA

> Inferred from Potential Field Data Although over 50 meteorite impact craters have been identified in North America, from Alaska to Chicxulub, Mexico, until now none have been reported from the southeastern Atlantic states.TOMS CANYON IMPACT CRATERVIRGINIA'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL IMPACT CRATERDOUBLE IMPACT CRATER ON THE ATLANTIC SEABED?INVESTIGATION OF A POTENTIAL METEORITE IMPACT CRATER, ATLANTIC COASTAL PLAIN, NORTH CAROLINA

> Examination of aerial photography from the inner Atlantic Coastal Plain/Piedmont transition identified an anomalous circular feature which was hypothesized to represent the margins of a meteorite impact crater. This feature is approximately 2.5 km in diameter and its margins are outlined by drainages that lie 10 m lower than the topographically higher central area.
>
>  and the resulting tsunami washed the Hispaniola infrastructure away.
>
> PERHAPS A TSUNAMI SANK ATLANTIS
> THERE occurred violent earthquakes and floods...the island of Atlantis disappeared in the depths of the sea." That was how Greek philosopher Plato described the destruction of the legendary city. Now new evidence suggests that he was writing about a devastating tsunami.
> Plato describes destruction in a single day and night - not over a week, not over a century - pointing to one catastrophic event. He talks about violent earthquakes and flooding, implying there was ...

> The timing of the Atlantis event fits our Vulcan and comets in a 3/2 resonate model to a tee - being only one year off from the predicted theoretical value (2 X 4969 years = 9938 years).http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/ISA.html#13

[semaj...@aol.com]

Another thought guys, if olympus was the city of the gods and they where in-fact the same time period as atlantis I date it to 400,000 years ago when the gods lived amongst men that would be the date of the first arrival of the anunnaki, in that case the atlantic ocean didn't exist and its quite possible a close graze of one of nibiru's moons would of carved the pacific trench to the depth we see now, this also would of caused a lot of pressure in the core and opposite the impact area . Eventually creating the split that made the atlantic! Just an idea though, I just don't see comets having the ability to crack continents without it being so large that it would devastate the earth!
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[tarkin]

I am shocked that the article was so dismissive regarding the melting
of the North American Ice cap. The land area alone (US and Canada)
is greater than Antarctica. I've heard estimates that the ice cap
was
many miles thick. Back then, most of Antarctica was ice free.
I've seen ancient maps indicating this. The south pole would
would have been centered along the coast. With a huge ocean
between Antarctica, Africa, and Australia, the ice cap would have
been tiny. Plato did indicate that Atlantis had a temperate
climate.
Ancient Antarctica fits the bill when one considers that the
trans-Antarctic mountain range would block extreme cold on the side
nearest South America.

Ah well, the model reported what the data indicated. Change the data
and one gets a way different result.

Regards,

Tarkin

On Nov 21, 6:53 pm, mk23666 <MK23...@AOL.com> wrote:
> New theory on the end of the "Ice Age" being started by a collapse of
> the Antartic ice shelf ... FIRST!
> Sitchin has got to be smiling where ever he is right now.
>

> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0317_030317_iceshelf....http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0317_030317_iceshelf_...

[tarkin]

An interesting read. More data supporting Plato and Atlantis!

Regards,

Tarkin

[mk23666]

The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are much older than just a few hundred
thousand years old.
http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigations/es0802/es0802page04.cfm
http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigations/es0802/es0802page05.cfm
http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigations/es0802/es0802page06.cfm

A close graze of Nibiru's (or any) moon would devastate the planet.
The friction alone from something that huge coming through the
atmosphere would have generated heat that would have set the air
temperature to "broil" not to mention that whatever amout of collision
would liquify a great deal of the planet.

[semaj...@googlemail.com]

The atlantic at its present rate of growth is only 106,000 years old, please do the math!

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[semaj...@googlemail.com]

And just thinking about it. Boiling air temperature, that's good! How do you think all that water became an ice sheet 3 miles thick?

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[mk23666]

Interesting take on a few of the most famous ancient maps that claim
discovery of Antarctica.
http://www.diegocuoghi.it/Piri_Reis/Finaeus_eng.htm

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[mk23666]

The age of the rocks on the sea floors would differ with that
summation.

On Nov 22, 7:53 pm, semajen...@googlemail.com wrote:
> The atlantic at its present rate of growth is only 106,000 years old, please do the math!
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> The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are much older than just a few hundred

> thousand years old.http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigati...http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigati...http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigati...

>
> A close graze of Nibiru's (or any) moon would devastate the planet.
> The friction alone from something that huge coming through the
> atmosphere would have generated heat that would have set the air
> temperature to "broil" not to mention that whatever amout of collision
> would liquify a great deal of the planet.
>
> On Nov 22, 12:36 pm, semajen...@aol.com wrote:
> > Another thought guys, if olympus was the city of the gods and they where in-fact the same time period as atlantis I date it to 400,000 years ago when the gods lived amongst men that would be  the date of the first arrival of the anunnaki, in that case the atlantic ocean didn't exist and its quite possible a close graze of one of nibiru's moons would of carved the pacific trench to the depth we see now, this also would of caused  a lot of pressure in the core and opposite the impact area . Eventually creating the split that made the atlantic! Just an idea though, I just don't see comets having the ability to crack continents without it being so large that it would devastate the earth!
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[mk23666]

Thousands of years of accumulation from normal precipitation would
produce ice sheets 3 miles thick.

On Nov 22, 8:14 pm, semajen...@googlemail.com wrote:
> And just thinking about it. Boiling air temperature, that's good! How do you think all that water became an ice sheet 3 miles thick?
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> The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are much older than just a few hundred

> thousand years old.http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigati...http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigati...http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigati...

>
> A close graze of Nibiru's (or any) moon would devastate the planet.
> The friction alone from something that huge coming through the
> atmosphere would have generated heat that would have set the air
> temperature to "broil" not to mention that whatever amout of collision
> would liquify a great deal of the planet.
>
> On Nov 22, 12:36 pm, semajen...@aol.com wrote:
> > Another thought guys, if olympus was the city of the gods and they where in-fact the same time period as atlantis I date it to 400,000 years ago when the gods lived amongst men that would be  the date of the first arrival of the anunnaki, in that case the atlantic ocean didn't exist and its quite possible a close graze of one of nibiru's moons would of carved the pacific trench to the depth we see now, this also would of caused  a lot of pressure in the core and opposite the impact area . Eventually creating the split that made the atlantic! Just an idea though, I just don't see comets having the ability to crack continents without it being so large that it would devastate the earth!
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[semaj...@aol.com]

A rock will age either under water or not! That's like saying a rock on mars is this old! When we don't know its atmospheric condition and variation of weather, we like to think we know ageing but i beg to differ, anyway you maybe right and I wrong but I if I don't question it then somebody else will!

Rocks on the sea bed have travelled a lot of miles in there time so please don't persecute me when I say how did airs rock get to the centre of australia when it is clearly water carved!

[semaj...@aol.com]

Yes that's true and thanks for explaining how boiling water gets to be an ice sheet! I don't dis believe that at all.

[Eric]

BTW.. Rocks are difficult and notoriously inaccurate to age. Organic
materials etc.. are much easier and more accurate, but all the dating
techniques are overrated.

[mk23666]

Hmmm

On Nov 23, 4:14 am, Eric <e...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> BTW.. Rocks are difficult and notoriously inaccurate to age.    Organic
> materials etc.. are much easier and more accurate, but all the dating
> techniques are overrated.
>

> On 11/22/2011 5:30 PM, semajen...@aol.com wrote: