Fwd: Frangibolt
Jake Niece
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Bokaie <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Subject: RE: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
To: Jacob...@colorado.edu
Cc: ama...@tiniaerospace.com
Hi Jake,
I checked with production today and found that it's the #6 size Fasteners
which is giving us a bit of grief. Apparently they are having a tough time
finding the right grade of Titanium. Our current plan is to order some
special thread rollers so we can machine our own. That should be done by
next Wednesday.
Your other option is to revert to a #8 size Actuator and Fastener. In that
case, I can probably push the guys to ship everything tomorrow.
Let me know how you want to proceed and once again sorry about the ongoing
delay. I guess I underestimated the difficulty of getting you what you
want.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: jacob...@gmail.com [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Niece
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:56 AM
To: Michael Bokaie
Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
Hi Michael, I'm getting nervous. How are the bolts coming? I was under
the impression that you were sending us stock parts. When everything
is ready can we have it shipped overnight? The sooner everything
arrives the better, and if we can't have everything in our hands by
March 12 (this Wednesday) then it will be of no use to us.
-Jake
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Michael Bokaie
<mbo...@tiniaerospace.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
>
> No problems... Your Actuator and compression fixture are ready to ship.
> It's just taking a little longer to make the bolts per your drawing.
>
> I'll look into it and will give you an update shortly.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jacob...@gmail.com [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Jake
> Niece
>
>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:55 PM
> To: Michael Bokaie
> Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
>
> Hi Michael, checking in about the Frangibolt again. Are there any
> problems? I was expecting to hear from you by the end of February. Do
> you have a new estimate on when we can expect the Frangibolt?
>
> Thank you,
> -Jake Niece
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Michael Bokaie
> <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jake,
> >
> > March 12th is absolutely no problem... We should have the parts to you
by
> > the end of February.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jacob...@gmail.com [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Jake
> > Niece
> >
> >
> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:31 PM
> > To: Michael Bokaie
> > Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
> >
> > Hello again Michael, I'm writing to ask if I can get a solid date when
> > we can expect shipment. We placed our order at the end of December to
> > ensure we would have enough time for testing, and my team is reaching
> > the point in our schedule where were were planning on testing the
> > Frangibolt. Our schedule is very rigid because this project is our
> > Senior design class, so its game over at the end of the semester
> > whether we're done or not. We must complete our thermal and vibration
> > testing with the Frangibolt, and unless we can be in possession of it
> > by March 12 at the very latest, it will do us no good. Will it be
> > possible to ship the Frangibolt so it will arrive no later than March
> > 12?
> >
> > -Jake Niece
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2008 10:50 PM, Michael Bokaie <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jake,
> > >
> > > I think we have all the information we need.
> > >
> > > I am hoping to be able to ship your parts in a couple of weeks, but
> will
> > > definitely let you know as the date approaches.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jacob...@gmail.com [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of
> Jake
> > > Niece
> > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:18 PM
> > > To: Michael Bokaie
> > > Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
> > >
> > > Hi Michael, I just wanted to check that you have all the information
> > > you need. Will you also let me know when the Frangibolt ships so my
> > > team can plan ahead?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > -Jake Niece
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 7, 2008 10:27 PM, Jake Niece <Jacob...@colorado.edu>
wrote:
> > > > Michael, attached is a drawing of our application. The strap
contains
> > > > spring loaded beams that will eject the strap and unfold when the
> > > > Frangibolt is activated. Your explanation clarified the issue of
how
> > > > the fastener connects to the Actuator; we will have to use a nut
on
> > > > the other side. That being said, we would like to have the notch
> > > > located where the two grommets come together (each grommet is 1/8
> inch
> > > > in thickness), rather than at the center of the fastener. So the
> notch
> > > > should be located 1/8 inch from the bolt head.
> > > >
> > > > -Jake
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 7, 2008 4:17 PM, Michael Bokaie <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jake,
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be preferred if you could provide a drawing or sketch
of
> both
> > > your
> > > > > application and the bolt, so we minimize any further confusion.
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, keep in mind that the Actuator (what you call the
> "heating
> > > > > element") has only a thru hole, so you can not thread directly
into
> > it.
> > > If
> > > > > I understand your application correctly, that means that you
will
> have
> > > to
> > > > > use a nut on the other side to capture the 2nd strap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Firing the actuator is not dangerous, at least not if you don't
put
> > your
> > > > > eyeball next to it. For bench tests we often use a small piece
of
> > foam,
> > > > > bubble wrap, or tape to capture the broken bolt. For the real
> device,
> > > > > you'll need to have something there to keep the bolt head from
> flying
> > > off.
> > > > > To give you a sense of the energy released, I would guess that
if
> you
> > > did
> > > > > not have anything in place and the bolt was pointing up, it
would
> > likely
> > > > > reach a height of ~10 feet.
> > > > >
> > > > > We'll hold off on making the bolts until we get a sketch or
drawing
> > from
> > > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: jacob...@gmail.com [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com] On
Behalf
> Of
> > > Jake
> > > > > Niece
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:49 PM
> > > > > To: Michael Bokaie
> > > > > Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Michael, we would like to use a bolt fastener with the notch
in
> the
> > > > > center. We are using the Frangibolt to fasten two ends of a
strap
> > > > > together. Each end of the strap has a grommet, and the fastener
> will
> > > > > go through the two grommets. The thickness of the two grommets
> > > > > together is 1/4 inch, so we need 1/4 inch from the inside of the
> bolt
> > > > > head to the base of the heating element. Does the fastener
simply
> > > > > screw into the heating element so that it can be tightened as
> desired?
> > > > > Please let me know if this does not make sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, will the Frangibolt release with enough energy to be
> dangerous?
> > > > > Is it safe for a person to stand nearby when the Frangibolt
> deploys?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > -Jake Niece
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 6, 2008 6:27 PM, Michael Bokaie
<mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jake,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are working on your order and were wondering if you had a
> > > preference on
> > > > > > the Fastener configuration.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you do not have a detailed design or drawing of what you
want,
> I
> > > would
> > > > > > recommend going with a stud configuration to give you maximum
> > > > > > flexibility.... Perhaps one that is 2.0" long with the notch
in
> the
> > > > > center.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyhow, let us know if you have any input.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: jacob...@gmail.com [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > Jake
> > > > > > Niece
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 6:45 AM
> > > > > > To: Michael Bokaie
> > > > > > Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In an earlier email I asked to order one stock #6 size
actuator
> with
> > > > > > the 10 fasteners, 10 washers, and the compression fixture for
> > $2,000.
> > > > > > We were not able to get additional funding for the
modifications
> to
> > > > > > the Frangibolt, so we decided it would be acceptable to use a
> stock
> > > > > > Frangibolt for ground testing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My team and I would like to start testing as soon as we can
when
> the
> > > > > > spring semester resumes in mid January, so we are ready for an
> > invoice
> > > > > > and can pay promptly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jake Niece
> > > > > > Aerospace Engineering Sciences
> > > > > > University of colorado
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 26, 2007 11:43 PM, Michael Bokaie
> <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jake,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think the bottom line to what happened is that:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > . I got approval to support your project with heavily
> > > discounted
> > > > > > > hardware,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > . But the NRE (Non Recurring Engineering) to tweak
the
> > heater
> > > > > > design
> > > > > > > was met with some resistance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there any chance you can use any of our standard products
> > instead
> > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: jacob...@gmail.com [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > Jake
> > > > > > > Niece
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:10 AM
> > > > > > > To: Michael Bokaie
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Michael, I never heard back about the Frangibolt. I just
> wanted
> > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > check in and see where we are with this. Please let me know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jake Niece
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Aerospace Engineering Sciences
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > University of Colorado
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Dec 9, 2007 7:19 PM, Jake Niece
<Jacob...@colorado.edu>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael, thank you for getting back to me. Your offer is
very
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > generous, but we were not able to obtain $2,000 extra
> dollars.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Therefore, I would like to just order one stock #6 size
> actuator
> > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the 10 fasteners, 10 washers, and the compression fixture.
> > Please
> > > have
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vicki send me a formal quote.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jake Niece
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Aerospace Engineering Sciences
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > University of Colorado
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 5:00 PM, Michael Bokaie
> > <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jake,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I did discuss this with our manufacturing folks and I
think
> we
> > > can
> > > > > > > support
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > your project by delivering all of the items below in 10
> weeks
> > at
> > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > discounted price shown.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > . Qty=1-3 #6 size Actuator for $ 2000 ea
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > . Qty=1 Lot charge to modify heater to work at
12Vdc
> &
> > 15
> > > > > Watts
> > > > > > > for $
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2,000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > . Qty=10 Frangibolt Fasteners for Free
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > . Qty=10 Nuts and Washers for Free
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > . Qty=1 Compression Fixutre for Free
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Although it may not seem cheap to you, we typically
charge
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > order
> > > > > > > of $
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 20,000 for the above.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyhow, let me know if you want to do this. If so, I'll
> ask
> > > Vicki
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > provide a formal quote which you can issue a Purchase
Order
> > > against
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > things going.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: jacob...@gmail.com
[mailto:jacob...@gmail.com]
> On
> > > Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > > > Jake
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Niece
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:39 PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To: Michael Bokaie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, I just wanted to check on the status of the
#6
> > size
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Frangibolt. My team's budget is more defined now, and we
> have
> > > some
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > margin in our budget for R&D costs to convert the heater
to
> > use
> > > 12V
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and 15W. Has any work been done with this yet? How long
do
> you
> > > think
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it will take to modify the heater, and when do you think
> you
> > > will be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > able to deliver it?
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jake Niece
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Aerospace Engineering Sciences
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > University of Colorado
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> > > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 2007 5:39 PM, Michael Bokaie
> > > <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > Hi Jake,
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> > > > > > > > > > I forgot you wanted the small #6 size Actuator. This
> > actually
> > > may
> > > > > > > help
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you a lower price because it's something that we still
> > > consider
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > even
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > though the attached "product bulletin" first came out
> over 2
> > > years
> > > > > > > ago.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, I think we can supply you with one #6 size
> > Frangibolt
> > > > > > Actuator
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > discounted price of $ 2000 and provide the rest of the
> items
> > > for
> > > > > > free,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > including:
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) Upto 10 Fasteners of your design,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2) ~ 10 locknuts and washers, and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3) 1 Compression Fixture
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The only remaining issue is the R&D cost to convert
the
> > heater
> > > to
> > > > > > > operate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > from 12 Vdc instead of 28Vdc. Let me give it some
> thought
> > and
> > > I
> > > > > am
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > can work something out.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: jacob...@gmail.com
[mailto:jacob...@gmail.com]
> On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jake
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Niece
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:58 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > To: Michael Bokaie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: vla...@tiniaerospace.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: WEBSITEINFORMATIONREQUEST
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, if TiNi is able to supply a portable
> compression
> > > > > fixture
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > to reset the bolts we would only need 2 bolts (Do you
> mean
> > > > > Actuators
> > > > > > > ?). I
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > was under the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > impression that the compression fixture would be out
of
> > reach
> > > in
> > > > > > terms
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > of cost. How many times can a frangibolt be reset?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was not aware of all the parts for a frangibolt
> > application.
> > > We
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > need the locknut because we're not bolting directly to
a
> > > > > structure.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, will you send me the spec sheet for the #6
and/or
> #4
> > > bolt
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > would be capable of release with 15W at 12V?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jake Niece
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Aerospace Engineering Sciences
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > University of Colorado
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2007 10:32 AM, Michael Bokaie
> > > > > <mbo...@tiniaerospace.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jake,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info below. Regarding quantities,
> please
> > > keep in
> > > > > > > mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > typical Frangibolt application requires the
following:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. The Actuator
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Some Kind of Notched Fastener or Bolt
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Some of special Ti washers, and
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 4. Locknut unless you plan to thread into your
> > structure.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The 10 units that you were talking about below are
for
> the
> > > > > > > Fasteners,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > right
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also, you'll likely need one of our portable
> compression
> > > > > fixtures
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > able
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > to reset them.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me know and we'll see what we can scrounge up.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
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> > > > > > > > > > > From: jacob...@gmail.com
> [mailto:jacob...@gmail.com]
> > On
> > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > Of
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> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:07 PM
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> > > > > > > > > > > To: Michael Bokaie
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> > > > > > > > > > > Michael, we have a budget of $2,000, and my team is
> asking
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> > > flight-ready
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> > > > > > > > > > > version of our design to our customer. Though the
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> > > > > > > > > > > thanks to TiNi and display the TiNi logo with our
> project.
> > > The
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> > students
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Jim Dotterweich
Jim Dotterweich