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ASC Speaker Series Season 6#6: Maturana's Theory of Knowledge as a Support for Internalized Other Interviewing

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ASC Speakers Series Season 6#6: Emergent Territories

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Conceptualising self and others (original drawing by Gordon Pask)

Maturana’s Theory of Knowledge as a Support for Internalized Other Interviewing 


In this talk, Karl Tomm will describe therapeutic practices that draw upon Humberto Maturana’s “how human beings come to know what they know.”

Sunday, Feb 15, 2026  12:00 PM EST

Free registration
 
 

Abstract

Internalized other interviewing is a therapeutic process in which a therapist invites a client to speak from their inner experience of the inner experience of another person. It is built on an assumption that, whenever we interact with another person, we build an impression of that other person’s experiences within ourselves, which then becomes part of us. If a therapist adopts this assumption and conceives of ‘the self’ of a client as constituted by an internalized community of other persons, it becomes coherent to interview any individual member of that inner community as an ‘internalized other’ within the client. Such an interview could be conducted with a client alone, or in the presence of the ‘actual other’ (the person being interviewed as an internalized other within the client). In the latter scenario, the actual other(s) ‘meet’ themselves as they exist within the client being interviewed, i.e., they meet their ‘distributed self.’ This interviewing process may be introduced to deepen interpersonal empathy and understanding.  For instance, a husband may be interviewed as his wife, while she observes (and later gives feedback). Or a parent could be interviewed as their adolescent, and the adolescent could be interviewed as the parent, etc.


This process of interviewing the ‘internalized other’ and the ‘distributed self’ potentially expands the possibilities for therapeutic intervention and could benefit from a theory that might support this clinical practice. Maturana’s perspective on “how human beings come to know what they know” offers an explanation for how the human mind has arisen through an incredibly long drift in biological evolution and social development among living systems. His explanation emphasizes the importance of languaging and the centrality of ‘loving relationships’ in enabling creativity and change and provides some guidance in the application of these therapeutic practices. 


Participants' Bios:


Presenter: Karl Tomm is a Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Calgary where he founded the Family Therapy Program in 1973 and continued as Director for 50 years. He is well known in the field of family therapy for his work in clarifying and elaborating new developments in systems theory and systemic clinical practice. For many years he was at the forefront of a new approach to therapy that emerged from constructivist, narrative, bringforthist, and social constructionist ideas. This approach is collaborative rather than hierarchical and emphasizes therapeutic conversations to deconstruct problems and co-construct healing and wellness. 


Host: Pille Bunnell has a background in ecology and ethology. After finishing her doctorate studies in Berkeley half a century ago, she began her professional life as a research associate at the University of British Columbia, followed by nearly two decades as an international environmental consultant. Leaving the consulting field, she taught postgraduate courses in systems methods and systems thinking at Royal Roads University for a further couple of decades and became active with several professional systems societies (ASC, ISSS, RSD and CybSoc).



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