2023 CWO Draft Date

[Logan Goodin]

Hey All,

OTAs started this week, which seems like a good milestone to get the CWO 2023 draft on the calendar. With vacations plans around the league in August it's already looking pretty tight, and Sept 6 is looking like the best option right now, with Sept 4, which is labor day, as another possible, but less desirable option. The NFL season starts on Sept 7. Any objections to setting the draft date for the 6th? I'd like get the draft rolling at 6 pm that evening. If we need to do the 4th it would also be an evening draft.

We're still looking at doing an offline draft, but may do something different than the Google doc this year. Options are being explored.

Buy-in will not change from last year. Rule changes are open for discussion. A few of us started using discord in a dynasty league we're in and thought we'd give it a try for CWO. You should be able to join here: https://discord.gg/gWKQfn6q.

Looking forward to another great fantasy season.

Sincerely,

Your League Champion

[Matt Bledsoe]

Thanks for the kickoff, Champ!

I’m good with the 6th and a 6pm start time. Could we also explore timed picks?  Things ran way too long last year.

Matt

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[Niall Little]

Looking at using a 3rd party site that will let us have longer picks early for a little socializing and trading but also tighten it up after a few rounds

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[Logan Goodin]

The CWO draft is always a grind, but we're looking at some offline draft options that allow us to set a timer but offer the flexibility we want. It may result in a few extra bucks on the buy in, tbd. I'm dead set against using ESPN's online draft tool.

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[Josh Laseter]

I should be good for the 6th. Probably the 4th as well if need be.

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[Alex Gomaa]

The 6th @ 6 works for me. 

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[Teresa Goodin]

I'm good with 9/6 at 6:00 PM. I really want to find a solution to the untimed picks.  I will pay for any 3rd party site. While I don't hate ESPN as much as Logan, I agree that it's not ideal for drafting.  I know that the social aspect is important, especially because we don't get to see each other often, but if we can find a middle ground that would be great.

Thanks for organizing Logan!

TG

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[Tom Swanson]

9/6 works, I may have to start the draft from the car as I'll be commuting home from DC but shouldnt be an issue.

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[Matt Johnson]

9/6 should work for me. A little far out to say 100% but don't see any issues right now.

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[Josh Laseter]

So re. platform and timer: I started writing a rant earlier in the week, but I wanted to add some data to it, and then I'm not sure that the data supported my rant (but also didn't rule it out).

I'm fine with whatever system we want to use and including timed picks, but I'm not entirely sure that's going to address the real problem if we're trying to cut down how long the draft takes. I feel like there is definitely the occasional distracted drafter and occasional over-thinking of a pick that a timer would maybe help with, but I subjectively feel like the bigger problem is when we have someone drafting remotely while doing something else -- having to call in their picks & having to catch up every time. And I'm not trying to call anyone out specifically because it's been multiple different people different years and they have all been for totally fair reasons.

So initial subjective rant over, here's some data I grabbed off the draft board. Like I said, I didn't want to target anyone in particular plus it's kind of a pain in the ass to collect, so I only did round-by-round times, not times for each pick.

(Round 3's first pick was 6:16 - so we also didn't actually start "on time")

Round	First pick	Last Pick	Length
4	6:17	6:36	0:19
5	6:38	6:51	0:13
6	6:51	7:01	0:10
7	7:01	7:15	0:14
8	7:16	7:30	0:14
9	7:31	7:43	0:12
10	7:43	7:59	0:16
11	8:00	8:20	0:20
12	8:20	8:36	0:16
13	8:36	8:53	0:17
14	8:54	9:12	0:18
15	9:12	9:21	0:09
16	9:22	9:32	0:10
17	9:32	9:41	0:09
18	9:41	9:50	0:09
19	9:51	9:59	0:08

So objectively the later rounds are the fastest. The first round and late-middle rounds are the slowest. I'm not really sure what to make of all of that. Mid rounds is when the performance "enhancing" drugs are kicking in? Maybe they are just the hardest to draft?

Getting back to the original point of my rant: if we think it takes too long, that's a fair complaint because it's definitely a marathon. If we want to put timers in, we need to have a specific plan on what happens when you exceed it  -- auto pick (if so, who/what picks)? Forfeit pick? Next person is up and you can jump back in on your pick whenever you get your shit together? Do you get any mulligans and if so how many and for how long? Do we want a defined mid-draft break? -- otherwise leaving it up to figuring in the moment won't actually save any time. I still subjectively think that presence is part of the problem, but if there are hard and fast rules the people will be more willing to more firmly set their schedule / say no to draft times that don't really work / find an alternate draft plan.

I'm fine with any plan as long as it's a well-defined one, not a "we're going to have a timer but then pause 3 times a round" one. Or I'm fine going for 4 hours since it's just once a year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Final point: I'd also totally be down to rethinking the starters / bench situation to drop a round or two off the draft. Like, I'm kind of over 2 QB but mostly because I suck at picking QBs; that's one round saved right there!

Josh

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[Niall Little]

Meant to reply to this sooner...All valid points, and you're a total nerd, so thanks for giving us some hard numbers to look at.
It's just been really hard to find a time for this draft, especially now that there are several parents in the group and we're spread out, so I'm all for the flexibility (at least we're all in the same timezone now). It also has never particularly bothered me that it takes a long time, I've just heard that complaint from others. However this year I have another draft starting from 8pm-ish, so will definitely hope we're past the meatier rounds at that point and will basically be "autodrafting" from FBG Draft dominator once i'm doing 2 at once. 

I hear a couple of points that we should decide on ahead of the draft.

1. 2QB, SF, 1QB setup?

      1QB has become pretty lame because the variance in QBs is pretty low, but will go with the majority. I've grown to really like SuperFlex and that's the way a lot of the sites are moving towards which increases QB value but doesn't make it as crazy as our 2QB setup.
2. Draft Clock Penalty

     Definitely need some sort of teeth. I'm not sure what other than NFL style makes sense where your pick is skipped and the next person can basically cut you in line. Not sure if this site we're looking at supports that though. And if it is an autopick, does the site support that?

3. Allow for mulligans

     Definitely would think 1 mulligan at least, maybe 2 in year 1.

4. Bench size/fewer draft rounds.

    I think the bench size is good but woudln't mind just not drafting those last few rounds and have those be decided during waivers. We're starting the day before the season so it's not like some secret tip I read on aug 4 is going to make a huge difference in the last 2-3 rounds of the draft.

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[Niall Little]

We should create polls for this in discord.

Only 4 ppl in there so far.
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[Matt Bledsoe]

Let’s do it.  I’m in there now

Matt Bledsoe

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[Niall Little]

there are only 7 people in the discord. Need to vote on the rule/lineup changes soon.

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[Logan Goodin]

Still missing Bushey and Zo. If you guys want a say in the proposed lineup changes join the discord.

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[Michael Costanzo]

I'm going to be at the beach on 9/6....my wife will hate me for about 3 hours but I will make it work.

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[Niall Little]

Zo and Bushey, get in the discord to vote

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[Niall Little]

Rule Changes

QB Format = Superflex

Zo told me he is down for Superflex, but is too lazy to get in discord. That gives SF 6 votes with Logan and the Butt Pirates abstaining.

Didn't seem to be any follow up any of my kicker suggestions so we'll just leave those as is.

Keepers

Keeper Deadline is Thursday at 11pm. Do your Keepers in ESPN. Minimum of 2 Keepers, Maximum of 3.

Draft

19 round superflex draft 6pm Wed Sept 6.
Draft Room:  https://clickydraft.com/draftapp/join?key=95a590f0c2f04608b6f4f4a6b4ee81ee

We will be using ClickyDraft for the draft with a 3 min timer that autodrafts for you if the timer runs out.
Log in to the draft room and claim a team then. I can change the draft order after that. 
Note on clicky draft, their default rankings are from FantasyPros.

Money

Send $50 to Alex

[Alex Gomaa]

Get your keepers in if you haven’t already. The deadline is tonight at 11 pm. 

Also send league dues to me:

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Paypal: alex...@yahoo.com

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[Michael Costanzo]

Speaking of lazy............I've been texting Tom, Niall, and Alex for about 2 weeks now...can we please reconfirm the date/time of draft?

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[Niall Little]

I haven't gotten a text from you in weeks...

6pm Wednesday

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[Michael Costanzo]

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[Matt Johnson]

Crap, I forgot about keepers. Can you set it so that I'm keeping Justin Jefferson and Justin Herbert?

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[Niall Little]

Done, just waiting on zo

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[Logan Goodin]

Zo told me he wanted to keep Gordon and Henderson because he was sure they'd get playing time again once injuries hit, and he's really high on Bass being the #1 kicker this year. I'll go ahead and lock those in for him.

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[Niall Little]

Done...keepers will reveal at 11am

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