Re: [Sel-PAG] Digest for sel-pag@googlegroups.com - 5 Messages in 1 Topic

[Py Wong]

Raymond Tan said: Tindak malaysia is supposed to draw new border with 10% deviation but how many voters per consituency you wanna put in? How many seats will there be resultant of new border? What about putrajaya and labuan? What would be the if-expected election result from the new border assuming GE13 demographical distribution? If you wants to help to draw constituency new border then you need to answer these riddle and the table following could be the starting point. 

Correction: TM is not supposed to do anything. All we have done is facilitate the formation of the Delimitation team to carry out the delineation exercise. If you have ideas to contribute, come on board and work.

py

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• Bar Council Forum on Redelineation on Sat 8th Jun 9:30am - 5:30am [5 Updates]

 Bar Council Forum on Redelineation on Sat 8th Jun 9:30am - 5:30am

"Raymond Tan" <ine...@gmail.com> Jun 11 09:16PM +0800  

No need to show gerrymandering, you already know that by now.
 
Tindak malaysia is supposed to draw new border with 10% deviation but how
many voters per consituency you wanna put in? How many seats will there be
resultant of new border? What about putrajaya and labuan? What would be the
if-expected election result from the new border assuming GE13 demographical
distribution? If you wants to help to draw constituency new border then you
need to answer these riddle and the table following could be the starting
point.
 

 
From: sel...@googlegroups.com [mailto:sel...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of J. Suresh Kumaran
Sent: 06 Jun 2013 1:02
To: sel-pag
Subject: Re: [Sel-PAG] Re: Bar Council Forum on Redelineation on Sat 8th Jun
9:30am - 5:30am
 

 
breaking up by average for Parliamentary seats based upon numbers of voters
and seats allocations, but this figure won`t show a proper gerrymandering
nor malaportionments being executed.
 
 
 
 
J. Suresh, +6016 221 9996
 
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On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM, ChakNgoon Ng <chakng...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
What is this?
 
 
NgCN
 
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Raymond Tan <ine...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
State
 
Voters
 
Seat
 
Voters/Seat
 
 
Perlis
 
153944
 
3
 
51315
 
 
Kedah
 
1204766
 
15
 
80318
 
 
Kelantan
 
1003499
 
14
 
71679
 
 
Terengganu
 
632067
 
8
 
79008
 
 
Pulau Pinang
 
944622
 
13
 
72663
 
 
Perak
 
1658727
 
24
 
69114
 
 
Pahang
 
831872
 
14
 
59419
 
 
Selangor
 
2451954
 
22
 
111452
 
 
Kuala Lumpur
 
1127086
 
11
 
102462
 
 
Putrajaya
 
16516
 
1
 
16516
 
 
Negeri Sembilan
 
632909
 
8
 
79114
 
 
Melaka
 
477205
 
6
 
79534
 
 
Johor
 
1970430
 
26
 
75786
 
 
Labuan
 
33143
 
1
 
33143
 
 
Sabah
 
1156513
 
25
 
46261
 
 
Sarawak
 
1435638
 
25
 
57426
 

 

william arul <wa...@hotmail.com> Jun 12 02:18PM +0800  

In New Zealand the constituencies have between them + 5% deviation from mean. This also applies to the Maori electorates. The mean that applies throughout is also known as the Southern Island quota. At the moment the total number of electorates is 70 and for the South Island the number of electorates is fixed at 16. The voting population at the last census of the South Island is divided by 16 to arrive at the South Island Quota. This then is the mean that will be applied to all the electorates. The total number of voters on the Maori roll is divided by this quota to arrive at the number of Maori seats. At the last elections this was 7. The General electorates in the North Island was therefore, 70-16-7 = 47. Their redelineation exercise is being undertaken now. The Maori seats could increase with an increase on the Maori Roll and so may the General seats in the North Island. The total number of seats in the North Island will be the total voting population minus the South Island voting numbers divided by the South Island quota. They then draw up the boundaries.
 
You can see here there are various permutations that can be used rather than just arbitrary. Hope this helps to expand the thinking.
 
From: ine...@gmail.com
To: sel...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Sel-PAG] Re: Bar Council Forum on Redelineation on Sat 8th Jun 9:30am - 5:30am
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:16:52 +0800
 
No need to show gerrymandering, you already know that by now. .....................

 

Subject: Re: [Sel-PAG] Re: Bar Council Forum on Redelineation on Sat 8th Jun 9:30am - 5:30am breaking up by average for Parliamentary seats based upon numbers of voters and seats allocations, but this figure won`t show a proper gerrymandering nor malaportionments being executed. J. Suresh, 

 

"Raymond Tan" <ine...@gmail.com> Jun 12 05:01PM +0800  

Thank you william arul for sharing.
 
Calculation of constituency size is a problem in malaysia because:
 
1. Federation of Putrajaya and Labuan conflict with Federal
Constitution on constituency size.
 
2. Separation of Singapore while Malaysia Agreement had not been
revised thereafter opening the possibility of seat dispute between east/west
malaysia.
 
Putrajaya the smallest constituency will always give one seat advantage to
west malaysia and widening disparity. Another problem transportation of form
14 that can be solved by amending election to accept tally in electronically
signed document.
 
Below can be the guide for tindak malaysia to formulate redelineation.
 

 
 
State
 
Voters
 
Constituency Size / Seats
 
 
Current
 
50,000
 
60,000
 
70,000
 
 
Perlis
 
153944
 
3
 
4
 
3
 
3
 
 
Kedah
 
1204766
 
15
 
25
 
21
 
18
 
 
Kelantan
 
1003499
 
14
 
21
 
17
 
15
 
 
Terengganu
 
632067
 
8
 
13
 
11
 
10
 
 
Pulau Pinang
 
944622
 
13
 
19
 
16
 
14
 
 
Perak
 
1658727
 
24
 
34
 
28
 
24
 
 
Pahang
 
831872
 
14
 
17
 
14
 
12
 
 
Selangor
 
2451954
 
22
 
50
 
41
 
36
 
 
Kuala Lumpur
 
1127086
 
11
 
23
 
19
 
17
 
 
Putrajaya
 
16516
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
 
Negeri Sembilan
 
632909
 
8
 
13
 
11
 
10
 
 
Melaka
 
477205
 
6
 
10
 
8
 
7
 
 
Johor
 
1970430
 
26
 
40
 
33
 
29
 
 
Labuan
 
33143
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
 
Sabah
 
1156513
 
25
 
24
 
20
 
17
 
 
Sarawak
 
1435638
 
31
 
29
 
24
 
21
 
 
Total Seats
 

 
222
 
324
 
268
 
235
 

  

Below can be the guide for tindak malaysia to formulate redelineation.
 
State
Voters
Constituency Size / Seats
Current
50,000
60,000
70,000
Perlis
153944
3
4
3
3
Kedah
1204766
15
25
21
18
Kelantan
1003499
14
21
17
15
Terengganu
632067
8
13
11
10
Pulau Pinang
944622
13
19
16
14
Perak
1658727
24
34
28
24
Pahang
831872
14
17
14
12
Selangor
2451954
22
50
41
36
Kuala Lumpur
1127086
11
23
19
17
Putrajaya
16516
1
1
1
1
Negeri Sembilan
632909
8
13
11
10
Melaka
477205
6
10
8
7
Johor
1970430
26
40
33
29
Labuan
33143
1
1
1
1
Sabah
1156513
25
24
20
17
Sarawak
1435638
31
29
24
21
Total Seats
 
222
324
268
235