Rule: Throw after a foul is called by the thrower

[Alex Shim]

https://afbcary.github.io/regula_nexus/#17.C.3.b.3

Continuation, for calls made by the offense, by the thrower, for an incomplete pass

Where the thrower calls an infraction which occurred before the thrower began the act of throwing, play continues unhalted and the result of the play stands.

I assume Justy got fouled, called foul, then in a separate throwing motion threw the disc for an incomplete throw, in which case this would apply. In that case the above rule applies.

The current rules do not allow the thrower to call foul, then get a (separate) free throw afterwards.

Though if another offensive player, likes a handler reset called foul and tried to get open, then the disc would go back in the case of an incomplete throw or complete throw (assuming it affected the play because the thrower may have thrown it if they were open and had to look for another option).

[Anthony David Wagner]

Thx for following up on this, Alex.

Unrelatedly, I seem to be missing a black water bottle (with Wu Tsai Neurosciences Institute insignia). Any chance someone picked it up today?

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[Luke Rickford]

Is that last part right? I don't believe it is. My understanding is that if another (defensive) foul happened before or concurrent to the throwaway, then the play will not stand as the full takes precedence. 

I don't think there's any language in the rules about whether or not this 2nd foul "affected" the play that ends Disc Hitting Ground. The moment a defensive foul occurs, if the foul is properly called, the outcome of the play becomes moot. 

Correct me if I'm wrong! 

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[Alex Shim]

It feels counterintuitive since we're used to picks, which are offensive violations. I have to remind myself if it's offense or defense so I don't get mixed up.

Example

Here's an example, SW Club regionals, game to go to nationals

https://youtu.be/gZSFmFHKtJo?si=BNX9CweIe7gVw7aY&t=1306

Endzone, isolation cutter tries to get open, trips, calls foul. Thrower throws a score to another person.

23:53 foul retracted, disc goes back, no goal

Rule

It's written in the rest of the calls made by the offense section

https://afbcary.github.io/regula_nexus/?pinned=17.C.3

17.C.3For calls made by the offense:

17.C.3.aIf the pass is complete:

17.C.3.a.1If the offense called the infraction before the thrower began the act of throwing (3.N.4), play stops and possession reverts to the thrower.

17.C.3.a.2If the offense called the infraction after the thrower began the act of throwing, play continues unhalted.

17.C.3.a.3Where an infraction is called by the thrower, players should treat the call as if it was made when the infraction occurred in determining whether the call was made before or after the thrower was in the act of throwing. If the infraction occurred after the throw was released, the call is considered to have been made by a non-thrower.

- Annotation

[[This means that if you throw a turnover and call a foul on contact after the release, the turnover will generally stand. Note that the timing is based on when the infraction occurred for this rule.]]

17.C.3.bIf the pass is incomplete:

17.C.3.b.1If the infraction affected the play (17.C.5), play stops and the disc reverts to the thrower at the time the infraction occurred unless the specific rule (e.g., the receiving foul rule) says otherwise.

17.C.3.b.2If the infraction did not affect the play, play stops and the result of the play stands.

17.C.3.b.3Where the thrower calls an infraction which occurred before the thrower began the act of throwing, play continues unhalted and the result of the play stands.

Example of did not affect the play

1:25:43
Foul called against Burrito, thrower doesn’t acknowledge and throws a goal
Offense attacks disc, contact in air. Looks like it could be a strip
1:27:47
Offense claims it didn’t affect, defense seems to agree, goal called, 17.C.1
Lawless goal

17.C.1Despite any outcome dictated by these rules, if the involved players on both teams agree that the infraction did not affect the outcome of the play, play stops and the result of the play stands. This provision does not apply if the thrower is aware an infraction has been called and subsequently attempts a pass.

[Luke Rickford]

Thanks for the detail! 

17.C.3.b.2If the infraction did not affect the play, play stops and the result of the play stands.

To me this is confusing, as "play stops" and "the result of the play stands" seem to present potentially conflicting clauses. Again, I've always understood that "play stops" the moment a foul is called, with the notable (only) exception being a foul called by an Offensive player other than the thrower, prior to the throw, where the foul in question does not affect the throw (in this case, if the throw is incomplete, it's a turnover). 

So if I am a receiver and call "foul" on defense but before acknowledging this call (and after the foul occurred), my teammate throws a pass that is incomplete --- if the foul is deemed unrelated to the turnover, it's just a turnover? That does not seem right to me.