PRF 770...

[Sarah]

Ok Guys...

Is it just me, or is anyone else a bit intimidated by this course? I
think it was Ryan who said they felt like they were taking a research
course with the topic of physiology, rather than a physiology course
with research included. I am sure that this is just the first week
spazz out I normally get, but my goodness!! I am feeling so daunted
by just making sure I use the correct type of sources for my
discussions.

Anybody else? I am sure once we get a discussion under our belts it
will get better...but this course almost makes me wonder why we are
even taking PRF 810, too? (esp since Wagner has been MIA all week..)

~S

[Brian Van Hook]

That so funny, I was just thinking about the same thing! I thought
Wagner’s class (Mr. MIA) was the "research" class. I am glad he has a
good background in S&C, but he is going a bit far. That's not S&C,
that's writing a research paper...and I'm not trying to publish
anything:)

PS…I just checked and he finally put up the syllabus

[Chris Rau]

Hey Sarah,

No, you're not the only one who's feeling that way. It does feel a
little daunting and it's only the first week. It is a bit overwhelming
but I think if we stay in touch through this google group we'll get
through this semester. And what's up with MIA Wagner? He talks about
is the syllabus replying to emails within 48 hours and he'll post
grades quickly...yeah right. I haven't seen that happen.

[Sarah]

No Joke, Chris. I e-mailed him SATURDAY and I have yet to get a
response from him. Crazy.

I agree...we all need to stick together through this group and I think
we'll be fine. I for one need to remind myself not to be shy when it
comes to asking for guidance or feedback. I think having each other
as a sounding board is one of the best resources we all are going to
have through this program. :)

~Sarah

[Sarah]

Hi Brian,

Yeah, I finally got the syllabus this morning. Wouldn't have been an
issue if our first quiz wasn't dependent on it! *sigh* At least
we've had him before so we kind of know what to expect at this
point...
In any case, I think I am most concerned about 770; Oddi's class seems
cool, and he is very good about getting back to questions, so that is
awesome. This class just seems like it is going to be the biggest
stressor, as least for me. Although, maybe Wagner has some tricks up
his sleeve!

~Sarah

[Ryan Fairall]

Um yeah, I emailed Reuter what I put together for the creatine discussion for next week to see if it was up to par and he pretty much ripped me a new one and made it very apparent I wasted like 2 hours putting it together.  He said everything but...this paper is a piece of shit. I attached what I wrote and here is his email

Ryan-

My class and my grading may be different from other classes.  Things I 
assume are

a) if I spent the time to put it in the course materials/post it/
comment on it then it is important for the class

b)  my job is to point out potential problems/errors.  This is 
important 1) to allow you the best opportunity to develop higher level 
thinking, 2) to allow you to try to get the best information for 
current/future athletes/clients/patients and 3) to provide you the 
best opportunity to defend yourself if/when you are sued.

Below are general comments based on me looking at what you attached 
and looking at the Discussion Checklist and keeping in mind the other 
course materials/posts that I have provided for the course.  Below are 
areas you should consider

My best suggestion for Discussions is for you to first answer the 
question "have I composed the response based on a) the specific 
directions and b) the Discussion Checklist?"

When I take a quick look at what you attached the first thing I notice 
is the answer to the above question is no.

The first thing I notice is that you have chosen to use at least 4 
texts.  There are a number of areas in the course that address a) the 
problems with using texts and b) why the limit is one text unless 
otherwise stated.

The second thing I notice is that ALL your sources are secondary 
sources- ie they take the results of research and summarize them.  So 
in essence what you are doing is summarizing the summary of the 
research, or in essence say "this is what I found that author b said 
author a found in research".  See the Hx of 220-age in DocSharing for 
a worse case scenario with this

As you look more closely and consider the Misc Reference Info and 
Discussion Checklist there are other things that you need to consider:

a) you comment on the potential for lower extremity ischemia- the 
citation is a text from 2002- so in essence this is an example of 
summarizing something from a text that is 7 years old.  The text 
summarized something- a study, an anecdote....something else...it is 
impossible to tell without going to the text.

b) Dr Kreider, the author of one of your texts you chose has done 
quite a bit of research; there are other prominent researchers- 
primary sources- ie research articles are always better sources of 
information

c) choosing secondary sources mean that you miss some of the potential 
findings of creatine research..  For example some of the more recent 
research has postulated that creatine use decreases dehydration risk, 
might actually decrease cramping

d) variety of sources- too many books- for reasons discussed in the 
course materials, current?? creatine is a hot topic, probably the most 
researched supplement- this is something that should rely on the most 
current sources- primary articles as recent as possible should be used 
primarily

e) do you correctly interpret the info- no because you are summarizing 
summaries- what did the ischemia study actually find for example- how 
many subjects (if it is the one I am familiar with it was a case 
study- a single subject).

Ben Reuter, PhD, CSCS, *D, ATC
Department of Exercise Science and Sport Studies
California University of Pennsylvania
250 University Avenue California, Pa 15419-1394
724-938-4356
724-938-4342 (fax)
reu...@cal.edu
http://www.calu.edu/education/hsss/

[serena jackson]

WOW

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Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:31:27 AM
Subject: Re: PRF 770...

[kenneth...@mac.com]

I guess this guy is big on using primary sources. I would not take it personal. I am guessing this will be a fall full of Lexus Nexis which will be annoying since this class' book was the most expensive.

[Chris Rau]

Hey Sarah,

yes, totally don't be shy about asking for guidance or feedback. I'm
going to totally do it. The exercise phys class will be challenging
enough. We've got to stick together.

[Ianthi de Alwis]

If it wasn't for the this group I totally would be lost.... Thanks guys for being so helpful.... Yeah I am really worried about the 770 class.... Wow.... thats all I gotta say.... I guess its going to be a LONG 15 weeks. Strap up my friends, here we go
Ianthi

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Live, Laugh and Love!

[serena jackson]

All i have to say is i 've always had a fear of Exercise Phys since undergrad, and now my fear is being validated with this teacher. I thought my undergrad teacher was a killer!! oooh no i have truly met the ruler of the Exe Phys underworld!!!!!

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From: Ianthi de Alwis <ijde...@gmail.com>
To: cup...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 9:11:22 PM
Subject: Re: PRF 770...