Cucumber JVM - how reuse steps into feature
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martino turturiello
Feb 11, 2013, 5:36:42 AM2/11/13
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Hi all,
I started using cucumber-jvm for a specific project and I have created already my steps definition
No that I have some steps like;
I open page, I click on, I close page
I would like to create groups of steps outside java code, is it possible to create a feaure file or something like tahat to grate for example:
I am logged in
{
the steps to login
}
Thanks!
I started using cucumber-jvm for a specific project and I have created already my steps definition
No that I have some steps like;
I open page, I click on, I close page
I would like to create groups of steps outside java code, is it possible to create a feaure file or something like tahat to grate for example:
I am logged in
{
the steps to login
}
Thanks!
aslak hellesoy
Feb 11, 2013, 6:07:35 AM2/11/13
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I don't have time to write a long answer now, but I recommend you read this blog post:
To reuse code, just factor the reusable parts into regular java methods that you can call from stepdefs.
Aslak
Thanks!
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martino turturiello
Feb 11, 2013, 8:15:52 AM2/11/13
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Thanks for the answer, but is still not clear to me...
I try to re-formulate me question:
I have already created some java basic steps like:
open browser, type user, type password, etc
Now outside java, I would like to create a kind of login module to re-using the steps, like
Given I am logged in
step open browser
step type user "username"
step type password "password"
step submit
Is it possible in any way?
Cheers
I try to re-formulate me question:
I have already created some java basic steps like:
open browser, type user, type password, etc
Now outside java, I would like to create a kind of login module to re-using the steps, like
Given I am logged in
step open browser
step type user "username"
step type password "password"
step submit
Is it possible in any way?
Cheers
aslak hellesoy
Feb 11, 2013, 10:11:43 AM2/11/13
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, martino turturiello <turturiel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the answer, but is still not clear to me...
I try to re-formulate me question:
I have already created some java basic steps like:
open browser, type user, type password, etc
Now outside java, I would like to create a kind of login module to re-using the steps
This sounds like a classic XY problem [1],[2]. You want to avoid duplication (X), and you think this can be done by reusing steps (Y).
You can (and should) do this in plain code instead, using *methods*:
@Given("I am logged in")
public void I_am_logged_in() {
openBrowser();
type("user", "username");
type("password", "password");
click("submit");
}
HTH,
Aslak
martino turturiello
Feb 11, 2013, 10:19:23 AM2/11/13
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Thanks again, but as I said I would like to do it outside the Java code.
Is it possible to do it in ".feature" file or somewhere esle?
Cheers
Is it possible to do it in ".feature" file or somewhere esle?
Cheers
aslak hellesoy
Feb 11, 2013, 10:21:25 AM2/11/13
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM, martino turturiello <turturiel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks again, but as I said I would like to do it outside the Java code.
Why?
Is it possible to do it in ".feature" file or somewhere esle?
No.
martino turturiello
Feb 11, 2013, 10:26:00 AM2/11/13
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Well, lets imagine this:
I create basic steps to drive the browser (I click to, I wait for , etc) then I give this to the testers and they can create Cucumber test without having to touch the Java code!
Do you think is possible to to something like this?
Cheers
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I create basic steps to drive the browser (I click to, I wait for , etc) then I give this to the testers and they can create Cucumber test without having to touch the Java code!
Do you think is possible to to something like this?
Cheers
2013/2/11 aslak hellesoy <aslak.h...@gmail.com>
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aslak hellesoy
Feb 11, 2013, 10:30:45 AM2/11/13
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM, martino turturiello <turturiel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, lets imagine this:
I create basic steps to drive the browser (I click to, I wait for , etc) then I give this to the testers and they can create Cucumber test without having to touch the Java code!
So you disagree with what I wrote in my blog post? You want to recreate web_steps for your own project?
martino turturiello
Feb 11, 2013, 10:48:58 AM2/11/13
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I agree with you, and what I am try to do is the same as you suggest in your post, the difference is that I would like to achieve the same by creating group of steps outside java code.
I would like to give to testers the chance to create reusable method in plane text without touch java( just by create your small java libs and add as maven dependencies)
Does it sounds so bad? :-)
I would like to give to testers the chance to create reusable method in plane text without touch java( just by create your small java libs and add as maven dependencies)
Does it sounds so bad? :-)
George Dinwiddie
Feb 11, 2013, 12:33:15 PM2/11/13
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Martino,
May I suggest that having reusable steps in terms of your application
may help you. Having reusable steps in terms of the implementation
(e.g., browser interactions such as clicking and filling in fields) of
your application will probably hurt you in the long run. That's been the
experience of others in the past.
- George
On 2/11/13 10:48 AM, martino turturiello wrote:
> I agree with you, and what I am try to do is the same as you suggest in
> your post, the difference is that I would like to achieve the same by
> creating group of steps outside java code.
>
> I would like to give to testers the chance to create reusable method in
> plane text without touch java( just by create your small java libs and
> add as maven dependencies)
>
> Does it sounds so bad? :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> 2013/2/11 aslak hellesoy <aslak.h...@gmail.com
> <mailto:aslak.h...@gmail.com>>
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> [2]
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May I suggest that having reusable steps in terms of your application
may help you. Having reusable steps in terms of the implementation
(e.g., browser interactions such as clicking and filling in fields) of
your application will probably hurt you in the long run. That's been the
experience of others in the past.
- George
On 2/11/13 10:48 AM, martino turturiello wrote:
> I agree with you, and what I am try to do is the same as you suggest in
> your post, the difference is that I would like to achieve the same by
> creating group of steps outside java code.
>
> I would like to give to testers the chance to create reusable method in
> plane text without touch java( just by create your small java libs and
> add as maven dependencies)
>
> Does it sounds so bad? :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> 2013/2/11 aslak hellesoy <aslak.h...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM, martino turturiello
> <turturiel...@gmail.com <mailto:turturiel...@gmail.com>>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM, martino turturiello
> wrote:
>
> Well, lets imagine this:
>
> I create basic steps to drive the browser (I click to, I wait
> for , etc) then I give this to the testers and they can create
> Cucumber test without having to touch the Java code!
>
>
> So you disagree with what I wrote in my blog post? You want to
> recreate web_steps for your own project?
>
> Do you think is possible to to something like this?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> 2013/2/11 aslak hellesoy <aslak.h...@gmail.com
> <mailto:aslak.h...@gmail.com>>
>
> Well, lets imagine this:
>
> I create basic steps to drive the browser (I click to, I wait
> for , etc) then I give this to the testers and they can create
> Cucumber test without having to touch the Java code!
>
>
> So you disagree with what I wrote in my blog post? You want to
> recreate web_steps for your own project?
>
> Do you think is possible to to something like this?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> 2013/2/11 aslak hellesoy <aslak.h...@gmail.com
> <http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341>
> [2]
> http://meta.stackoverflow.__com/questions/66377/what-is-__the-xy-problem
> <http://aslakhellesoy.com/post/11055981222/the-training-wheels-came-off>
>
> To reuse code, just factor the reusable
> parts into regular java methods that you can
> call from stepdefs.
>
> Aslak
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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Dear Martino,
On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:26, martino turturiello <turturiel...@gmail.com> wrote:
give this to the testers and they can create Cucumber test without having to touch the Java code!
Here's your problem ^^^^^^
Test automation is software development. Dale Emery says so.[1]
Testers should not be wasting their time writing software, unless they're really good at it. Instead, they should focus on thinking up new test cases. For sure, they can write them up in Gherkin, but if having them automated matters to the team, they need to pair up with software developers to get that work done. That's the only way to end up with maintainable test code, in my experience.
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Thanks to all!
At the end I had to move to Robot framework as it supports the creation of new keywords by grouping steps.
I agree with you guys that software testing is as well development, but it depends of the size of the company where you have to implement it. For big software factory I can see a group of automation Engs writing test as development, but for a samll company, probably, it will be east to write tests withut a deep knowledge of java, ruby, etc.
So what I am doing now is creating basic keywords in java for Robot framework and then the testers can use them in theirs tests by grouping steps and create test cases without know any programing language. I would be nice to have the same feature in cucumber!
Thanks again to all for your halp,
Martino
At the end I had to move to Robot framework as it supports the creation of new keywords by grouping steps.
I agree with you guys that software testing is as well development, but it depends of the size of the company where you have to implement it. For big software factory I can see a group of automation Engs writing test as development, but for a samll company, probably, it will be east to write tests withut a deep knowledge of java, ruby, etc.
So what I am doing now is creating basic keywords in java for Robot framework and then the testers can use them in theirs tests by grouping steps and create test cases without know any programing language. I would be nice to have the same feature in cucumber!
Thanks again to all for your halp,
Martino
Dmitry K
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Good day, Martino!
I've faced exactly the same problem and want to know if you succeed with your approach.
All in all, does it make sense to give a tester the ability to create reusable methods in plain text?
понедельник, 18 февраля 2013 г., 14:05:56 UTC+7 пользователь martino turturiello написал:
I've faced exactly the same problem and want to know if you succeed with your approach.
All in all, does it make sense to give a tester the ability to create reusable methods in plain text?
понедельник, 18 февраля 2013 г., 14:05:56 UTC+7 пользователь martino turturiello написал:
martino turturiello
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Hi Dmitry,
well at then end I moved to robot framework and yes, it make sense. Give a little bit of flexibility helps testers to create new keywords based on they needs.
Cheers,
Martino
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