CS TRAINING

[Nagarajan V]

Dear Members,

As all of you aware that as per ICSI requirements every intermediate/final  passed students are required to undergo Management training with PCS /Companies for a period of fifteen months in order to become members of ICSI after required formalities. Of late we are seeing that there are no required number of trainees available to companies/PCS for training and many CS have complained about the same with me while sharing their experience. They felt that the present system of exemption granted by ICSI must be abolished as it is a discretionary in nature and most of the cases (except few genuine cases) are fabricated and documents are made according to the needs of the ICSI Regulations. Many people obtain a fake experience from companies and apply to our ICSI and get the exemption as it is discretionary in nature. Hence the council must decide that whatever it might be the exemption to training must not be given to any person whosoever applies (Like that of CA institute mandating for 3 years Article ship . Further the present training period must be  enhanced from the present 15 months to 36 months and without the completion of two years the regulation must be put that a person can not appear for final examination. 

Further to some extent, at some cases training fake certificates are obtained (dummy training) without actually undergoing a training and hence in those case the Institute must investigate the entire affairs and must call for the students for periodical appraisal and test about the real training process. 

The members/students may share their experience and add to their views.

 

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V.NAGARAJAN
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[CS A Rengarajan]

The present system needs to reviewed by ICSI  because  there should be random or surprise check by institute officials to find out  training  given by PCS or corporates.  so that  there should not be flaw  in the training system.

 

ICSI is planning to increase the training from 15 months to 24 months in the coming months but at the same time they should consider to  increase the experience years for exemption from the present level so that students  who can undergo training

 

Some places there are lot of students who are aspiring for training and some places no students are available for management training. 

 

others views solicited

 

best regards 

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[santhosh kumar]

Dear Members

pls dont get carried away by the present situation.

pls understand ... a PCS is hardly  pays Rs.3000-4000 for trainee how 

do expect the trainees to survive in big Metros.

So please advice all the members first to see that they create a enthusiasm and seriousness in the trainees and pay them well.

then there will be automatic improvement and number of trainees for this profession.

we have the best profession.. we need project.

regards

santhosh

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Nagarajan V <csnaga...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Neha Bajaj]

Dear Sir,

M totally Agree with Santosh Sir.

Regards

Neha

[John Manoj]

Dear sirs,

I too agree with Mr.Santhosh..because the stipend paid by the trainers is very very low since the cost of living has been drastically changed.

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[Jaee Sarwankar]

Firstly ICSI should provide sufficient numbers of trainers. in metro cities like mumbai i have found student are finding diffcult to get articleship. not to talk small cites. in our Edp batch, there were people who havent got articleshp opprtunities. ICSI should thnk about ths matter 

Regards

Jaee Sarwankar

[SANTOSH K]

of course santohosh sir is right. ultimatly all the trainees and potential trainees are up held mr santosh statement

K.SANTOSH

P.M.V SUBBARAO AND ASSOCIATES

COMPANY SECRETARIES  HYDERABAD 

ASHOK NAGAR -500020 INDIA 

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[Jayashree Chandrasekaran]

Dear friends.
I am sorry i do not agree with the arguments being put forward
Amount that you receive as stipend is to just meet your travelling expenditure
you cannot co-relate the same with your enthusiasm levels...here the
candidate is provided with a training ground...every aspect be it
company law,punctuality,attendance,how to talk and interact with
people,etc etc is being taught to the candidate....when the person
joins for training the person is totally raw and in these months they
are moulded into a employable person....please understand and try to
learn as much as possible...do not get confused ....pls do not link
your stipend to your enthusiasm levels
yes...i agree that cost of living is very high...but once the
candidate proves his/her involvement definitely i am sure the trainer
will also pay a higher amount as stipend...so pls take my mail in the
right sense and try to improve your knowledge which is the most
important thing at this stage of life
Jayashree

>>>>>> years Article ship . Further the present training period *must be
>>>>>> enhanced from the present 15 months to 36 months* and without the

>> *Regards*
>> *Jaee Sarwankar*

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CHENNAI
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[Sanjeev Kumar]

Dear members,

 

sorry but i m not agree with you sir that present articleship training period should be enhanced to 36 months, I don’t know about the small cities but here in delhi, there are thousands of students , who wanted to do training but they are not getting, and it is not becoze they don’t have the potential ,but becoze of lack of vacancy of traning, I myself got training after 6 months of struggle, and I don’t know for what reasons this training period should be enhanced. As  15 months are more than enough to learn the secretarial work and all other things, we all know that how much work is over there in the companies (except listed companies and big firms) , and if it is a private company how many compliance we have to do , and that work can be easily learn in 15 months period, after all it is all about the work exposure and enthusiasm of learning. If the trainer is good than 15 months is very big period.

Regards.

Sanjeev singh 

cs Trainee

9312974927

 

[Nagaraja Rao]

Hi

 

If the institute wants to increase the training period to 36 months., the CS trainees will be exposed to all tenets of Finance, Accounts, Audit, Legal, H.R.Administration, Secretarial in a broader manner and will be capable to take up responsible positions on par with CA/ICWA , etc. unlike at present that even though the CS,s are exposed to various accounting aspects at the exam level, they are allowed to take up only CS positions in the corporate sector.  The Institute has to help the CS professionals to take up jobs in Finance, Accounts, HR also in addition to Secretarial.  CS should be considered as requisite qualification to enter finance line also in the corporate sector.  The business should be enlightened about the capacity/ability of CS Professional once he acquires the qualification of CS.

 

Other members may give their views/exprience.

 

thanks

Thanks and Regards,
J.Nagaraja Rao
Company Secretary
mob 9686177553

[Perumal Chinnaiah]

I agree with Sanjeev Kumar

 

Perumal

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Sanjeev Kumar <cs.kmr...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sanjeev Kumar]

Ok I agree with sir , that institute shall do that and we will get the exposure to learn that but in the present system as well , our training has 2 parts , 1^st is for 12 months that is secretarial work and 2^nd is 3 months period for   industrial training, but how many of us getting the exposure of doing that 3 months training as Industrial triaing. Though the institute has provided that it should be done but nobody is doing it. Then what is the guarantee that after making 36 months training,  we  will get the exposure.

[santhosh kumar]

Dear Jayashree

i appreciate your points ... agreed that you need to mould the person.

But please think:

Most of  the trainees are computer literates. smart... intelligent.

they are also disciplined.... hardworking.... 

smart enough to grab the new things. willing to go for extra mile to work.

But do you think the PCS will may any thing extra for them.

Please dont under estimate the trainees. They are smart...

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those who are not intelligent hardworking they will go for dummy.

and they end up being a dummy.

suggest ways and means to improve our training standards. Lets train the trainees in new areas.

Gone are the days when CS use to do routine work like minutes... documentation..filing etc. Now CS are competent to do many more things.

Teach trainees new things including handling accounts, taxation issues... personality development and communication skills.. encourage them.

Regards

santhosh

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Jayashree Chandrasekaran <jayak...@gmail.com> wrote:

[SANTOSH K]

dear jayashree 

      me too sorry to say this the company law no where talk about stipund and all but it is contained in ICSI Act 1980 it is not revised ok and also stipund must be minimum suffisient to stay in the city as cs student not only for travelling.

thanks and regards

prabhu

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Jayashree Chandrasekaran <jayak...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Radhika]

Dear Members,

Increasing the training period to 36 months will be extending the course way too much. The exposure that a trainee gets depends on the organisation where he/she is undergoing the training. Moreover, our profile is not restricted to only secretarial or legal compliance.  As we move ahead, there would be plenty of areas that would require our attention and diligence, all of which cannot be taught even in 36 months. If the trainer can device a broad plan on the type of work each trainee should go through during his training period, a balanced exposure is possible in 15 months. 

Agree with santhosh sir on trainees being smart, intelligent and hard working, and 15 months training provides sufficient scope for such trainees to utilise maximum exposure. The trainees should also approach this period as a learning experience and should make maximum use of the training period to enhance their skills and knowledge. 

The Institute should definitely come up with some measures to put an end to dummy certificates.

Regards,

Radhika