Kurviger EoL

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Hans Kurscheidt

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Oct 31, 2022, 7:35:29 AM10/31/22
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Hi, I was a happy user of Kurviger and may be, I lost a bit track of what was going on wrt. newer developments. Could you please elaborate a bit more, what EoL implies?
  1. Will the Kurviger www site disappear? Is there a replacement under cruiser?
  2. What about Kurviger Tourer?
  3. How much does Cruiser cost?
  4. Is there a feature comparison between Kurviger and Cruiser?
RGDS
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Mark Manasas

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Oct 31, 2022, 7:52:21 AM10/31/22
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Yeah, this was a sad start to my day. Caught totally unaware. I was telling all my iPhone buddies how awesome it was and waiting for the day it would be available for them on iPhone. :-(

Hans Kurscheidt

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Oct 31, 2022, 7:57:02 AM10/31/22
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Guess there's something commercial behind. I gave cruiser a shot and just the very 1st trial in my neighborhood went wrong. Routing me through the forest w/ no road.
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Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 7:57:28 AM10/31/22
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1,2. Kurviger website continues to operate as always.
(has a different developer)


3. Cruiser will work with subscriptions (we will see).

You can test the next version with Cruiser (Beta):
https://play.google.com/apps/testing/gr.talent.cruiser


4. Cruiser is a map and navigation platform used by Kurviger.
Cruiser contains much more, plus (offline) import of Kurviger routes.

It cannot calculate Kurviger routes (without permission).
I will be available, if Kurviger would like this in the future.

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Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 7:59:24 AM10/31/22
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> Routing me through the forest w/ no road.

The calculated routes depend on the selected routing service in app routing settings.

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Hans Kurscheidt

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Oct 31, 2022, 8:05:56 AM10/31/22
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I was using the Windows version. Only OSRM works, the other give error msgs.

Hans Kurscheidt

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Oct 31, 2022, 8:11:17 AM10/31/22
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Sorry, don't understand this:
Cruiser is a map and navigation platform used by Kurviger.

Cruiser contains much more, plus (offline) import of Kurviger routes.

It cannot calculate Kurviger routes (without permission).
I will be available, if Kurviger would like this in the future.

What would be the right way to export routes, created under Kurviger web site into cruise, w/out missing shaping pts, and Tourer features and being sure that the PC created route will be the same on the Android device? How will re-calculations of routes be done if it cannot calculate Kurviger routes ?

Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 8:11:39 AM10/31/22
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> I was using the Windows version. Only OSRM works, the other give error msgs.

GraphHopper (offline) needs first to open an offline graph for the region.

They are available here: https://download.mapsforge.org

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Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 8:26:56 AM10/31/22
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> What would be the right way to export routes, created under Kurviger web site into cruise, w/out missing shaping pts, and Tourer features and being sure that the PC created route will be the same on the Android device?

Export and import as .kurviger files.

As Kurviger routes are imported offline in Cruiser,
the routes remain unchanged with all their features.


> How will re-calculations of routes be done if it cannot calculate Kurviger routes ?

Navigation rerouting will use the selected routing service,
but only for the part from user location to next waypoint,
leaving the rest of the route unchanged.

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hellsguenni

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Oct 31, 2022, 10:09:22 AM10/31/22
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First of all, thanks Emux for the great work with kurviger app, really appreciated :)

I just downloaded cruiser app on my mobile an tried to import a *.kurviger file, but it did not work. Are there any basic setups to be done to realize this or did I completely missunderstood this comment:

Export and import as .kurviger files.

As Kurviger routes are imported offline in Cruiser,
the routes remain unchanged with all their features.

Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 10:19:57 AM10/31/22
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> First of all, thanks Emux for the great work with kurviger app, really appreciated :)

Thanks for the kind words!


Import of Kurviger routes will be available in the next Cruiser.

Currently you can test it in Cruiser (Beta):
https://play.google.com/apps/testing/gr.talent.cruiser

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hellsguenni

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Oct 31, 2022, 10:38:10 AM10/31/22
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Ok, I downloaded and installed the cruiser app on my mobile and the good news is that it looks on first view almost similar to kurviger app. Look really forward to the cruiser version that allows import and export of *.kurviger files - I would bet that cruiser works more or less identical to kurviger, at least from a pure user perspective. So for the time being my kurviger app still does what I expect, will wait patiently for the next cruiser version.

Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 10:41:27 AM10/31/22
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> I downloaded and installed the cruiser app on my mobile and the good news is that it looks on first view almost similar to kurviger app.

Kurviger app uses Cruiser platform's libraries.


> Look really forward to the cruiser version that allows import and export of *.kurviger files

Import of Kurviger routes will be available.
Not export, as there is no kurviger routing.


> I would bet that cruiser works more or less identical to kurviger, at least from a pure user perspective.

Correctly.

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hellsguenni

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Oct 31, 2022, 11:22:34 AM10/31/22
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Understood. Is there a format planned that assures a 100% identical route sharing from cruiser to cruiser? Icing on the cake would be to have a route sharing with kurviger web app, so just having a navigation app with a different name but same functionalities.

Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 11:31:33 AM10/31/22
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I could add export in .kurviger format, but it will not be useful in app without Kurviger routing.
(I wrote the .kurviger format, they are just json files)


Future seems to be on GPX navigation track (offline) format.
It is a universal format already used by apps like Locus and websites like RouteYou.

Next Cruiser (currently Cruiser Beta) support import / export with this GPX navigation format.

See also this discussion:
https://groups.google.com/g/cruiser-users/c/cY9uthCX0e0

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Elke “Ellie” Schmidt

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Oct 31, 2022, 11:39:42 AM10/31/22
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Is the functionality for map downoald the same as in kurviger, so can I further use my downloaded maps on my android phone for the cruiser app?

Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 11:45:49 AM10/31/22
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Both servers provide Mapsforge maps (I am Mapsforge developer).

Mapsforge uses default OpenStreetMap tags.
Kurviger may use extra motorcycle OSM tags.


OpenAndroMaps also provides excellent maps:
https://www.openandromaps.org/en

Together with the Elevate map style:
https://www.openandromaps.org/en/legend/elevate-mountain-hike-theme

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Frog

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Oct 31, 2022, 12:23:41 PM10/31/22
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I am really sorry to hear that the app will be discontinued. I was really preferring small-size / community kind of approach - and the possibility to interact with both the community as well as with the developers directly. The app was for the Swiss Army knife to solve all kind of navigation issues on the motorcycle - and a great thank to the developers who made this possible!

From what I read so far, I understand that the online route calculation will no longer exist - I and only the different offline routing algorithms can be used for creating the routes. It has always been said that these offline routing algorithms were unable to calculate routes with the attributes "kurvig" or "extra kurvig" - and more or less only the attribute "fast" would be available using the offline routing algorithms. Is it then fair to say that no curvy routes can be calculated in the future directly in the cruiser app? 

New to me is the Routing Service OSRM. How is this service positioned for offline routing?

Emux

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Oct 31, 2022, 12:31:51 PM10/31/22
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> New to me is the Routing Service OSRM. How is this service positioned for offline routing?

OSRM and the other new routing services that will exist in next Cruiser (currently in Cruiser Beta)
are online routing services, mostly with fastest route profiles.

There are 2 offline routing services:

- GraphHopper: offline graphs are available here.

- BRouter: its profiles can be customized for every need.
  Next BRouter will also provide straight line profile in Cruiser.

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ToTo GSA Rider

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Nov 2, 2022, 1:48:04 AM11/2/22
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Hallo zusammen,

ich habe jetzt auf meinem Handy eine Cruiser App und eine Cruiser GL App, welche muss ich starten?
Als Kartenmaterial habe ich einfach das auf meinem Handy ausgewählt was ich auch in der kurviger App hatte mit der Endung .map, kann ich das Kartenmaterial weiter verwenden?
Ich habe einfach mal eine kurviger Route ausgewählt und diese wurde auch ohne Fehler importiert.

Hello all,

I now have a Cruiser app and a Cruiser GL app on my phone, which one do I need to launch?
As map material I have simply selected the one on my phone what I also had in the curviger app with the extension .map, can I continue to use the map material?
I just selected a curviger route and this was also imported without error.

Airald Marquet

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Nov 2, 2022, 2:21:04 AM11/2/22
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Hi, 

another Kurviger enthusiast. I'm now a Cruiser subscribed user. 

I suppose that Cruiser and CruiserGL are the same app but the difference is the graphic engine that uses. Internally is the same app, that have 2 different mainActivities depending on what you start. Settings are the same.


Best regards.

PS: the only thing that I don't like from Cruiser is the app icon ;) 

El dia dimecres, 2 de novembre de 2022 a les 6:48:04 UTC+1, Torste...@gmx.de va escriure:

Tom

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Nov 2, 2022, 3:00:16 AM11/2/22
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Cruiser or CruiserGL? I asked myself the same question.... which one should I use? After that I have to digest the shock first.

Will the Kurviger 2.x app not work at all in the future or just not be updated?

Emux

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Nov 2, 2022, 3:26:23 AM11/2/22
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Cruiser vs Cruiser GL

They use different map engines:

- Cruiser uses Mapsforge map library

- Cruiser GL uses VTM OpenGL map library
  with more functions like rotation, tilt, etc.

Kurviger is a derivative of Cruiser, they use the same offline Mapsforge maps.

Note: I am the developer of Mapsforge and VTM.
         (they are used in most popular map apps)

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Emux

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Nov 2, 2022, 9:25:56 AM11/2/22
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Cruiser 3 was released with:

- Import Kurviger routes

If you have any comments, please write them here on the Cruiser forum!

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Tom

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Nov 2, 2022, 11:02:24 AM11/2/22
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not yet available...

Generally, I noticed when importing in GPX, that the route is not always recalculated after the import. If you then run the import again or start the GPX file from a file explorer app by "Open with Cruiser", it works then the repeated time with the same settings.

If import/export works with the Kurviger file import, that should then actually be better. Will you then also be able to export the Kurviger file? This is especially important if you manually change something on the route, because the routing engine is not that of Kurviger and you want to save the change with the app again.

hellsguenni

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Nov 2, 2022, 11:18:38 AM11/2/22
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My kurviger Abo runs out on 29.03.23 - may I use the app up to this point in time?

Emux

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Nov 2, 2022, 11:24:54 AM11/2/22
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> may I use the app up to this point in time?

According to Google Play API:
"Once deactivated, it will become unavailable to new subscribers, but existing subscribers will maintain their subscription."

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Emux

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Nov 2, 2022, 11:33:20 AM11/2/22
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> not yet available...

Please wait for Google Play to make it available everywhere.



> I noticed when importing in GPX, that the route is not always recalculated after the import.

That's expected with all apps / routers, as GPX files only contain waypoints and / or tracks.
Not calculated routes with turn instructions.

But there is the new GPX navigation track format, which is offline and Cruiser 3 can export / import it.
Select "Navigation" in the GPX export / import dialogs, it is perfect for offline route storage.

It is already used by apps like Locus and websites like RouteYou. More details:
https://groups.google.com/g/cruiser-users/c/cY9uthCX0e0



> Will you then also be able to export the Kurviger file?

I can add Kurviger export too.


Note that navigation rerouting is always partial and does NOT change the whole route.
It only calculates a new route from user location to next waypoint.

In next version there will be a similar recalculate option also in the route planning.
So you can change / calculate only route segments and NOT change the whole route.

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ToTo GSA Rider

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Nov 2, 2022, 1:39:13 PM11/2/22
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Okay, dann kann ich weiterhin ggf. die Offline Karten bei kurviger herunterladen und ggf. für die Cruiser App nutzen, wenn ich das jetzt richtig verstanden habe.

Grüße Toto

Okay, then I can continue to download the offline maps at kurviger if necessary and use them for the Cruiser app if I have now understood correctly.

Greetings Toto

ToTo GSA Rider

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Nov 3, 2022, 1:53:11 AM11/3/22
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Betreff: Offline Kartenmaterial
Guten Morgen zusammen,

verzeiht mir bitte jetzt schon einmal meine Unwissenheit bzw., dass ich nicht so richtig weiss was bzw. welche Karten ich herunterladen muß. In der App gibt es einmal den Punkt Karten herunterladen und einmal den Punk POI. In beiden Fällen kommt man ja auf eine Seiet mit mehreren Links.
1.Frage: Muß ich jetzt Karten und POIs beides auf mein Handy herunterladen und dann öffnen für die Länder die ich bereisen möchte?
2.Frage: Wenn ich auf den Link von Mapsforge drücke bekomme ich v3, v4 und v5 angezeigt. Welchen Bereich muß ich hier laden?

Bei der kurviger App gab es einfach den Bereich Offline Karten laden wo alles dabei war.
@Emux: Könntest du von den Cruiser nicht auch wieder so einen Downloadbereich machen wie es ihn für die kurviger App gegeben hat?

Grüße Toto

 Subject: Offline map material
Good morning everyone,

please forgive me now my ignorance or that I do not really know what or which maps I have to download. In the app there is once the point download maps and once the point POI. In both cases, you come to a Seiet with several links.
1st question: Do I now maps and POIs both download to my phone and then open for the countries I want to travel?
2nd question: When I click on the link from Mapsforge I get v3, v4 and v5 displayed. Which area do I need to load here?

In the curvy app, there was simply the download offline maps section where everything was there.
@Emux: Could you of the Cruiser not also make again such a download area as it has given for the kurviger app?

Greetings Toto

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Emux

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Nov 3, 2022, 3:23:29 AM11/3/22
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You can download the latest maps v5 for your regions.
You can also download maps from OpenAndroMaps.

The .poi files provide offline POI search in the app (e.g. fuel)
and will be improved more in the future.


Cruiser is more advanced than Kurviger,
as it provides offline maps + routing + poi.

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Tom

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Nov 3, 2022, 4:59:17 AM11/3/22
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map layers seem to be deactivated in Cruiser, how can I then see fuel stations on the map like in Kurviger?

Emux

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Nov 3, 2022, 5:25:34 AM11/3/22
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Map layers depend on the:
- Offline map
- Map style

With OpenAndroMaps maps you can use the Elevate map style.

With Kurviger maps you can use the (attached) Kurviger map style.
(I am its author and it is already public in the app apk)

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Kurviger.zip

ToTo GSA Rider

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Nov 3, 2022, 6:04:15 AM11/3/22
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Ist es nicht möglich eine Kartenaktualisierung zu programmieren wie zum Beispiel in der OsmAnd App wo die App dann von alleine eine Aktualisierung meldet. So ist das echt zu umständlich. Ich habe gedacht es wird wenn verbessert und kein Stillstand ?

 Is it not possible to program a map update such as in the OsmAnd app where the app then reports an update on its own. This is really too cumbersome. I thought it would be improved if and no standstill ?

Tom

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Nov 3, 2022, 6:40:14 AM11/3/22
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With Kurviger maps you can use the (attached) Kurviger map style.
(I am its author and it is already public in the app apk)

Where do I need to copy this to?

Emux

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Nov 3, 2022, 6:47:55 AM11/3/22
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> Is it not possible to program a map update such as in the OsmAnd app where the app then reports an update on its own.

Such popular apps have companies with many paid developers. :)

Download manager and many other surprises are already planned for the future.

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Emux

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Nov 3, 2022, 6:49:50 AM11/3/22
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> Where do I need to copy this to?

Download the map style zip in your phone and use the app menu "Map | Open map style".
Then you can also change the map layers.

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Willy

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Nov 3, 2022, 9:46:50 AM11/3/22
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Download the map(s) and the theme(s).
In Cruiser set map and theme and layer.
See demo gif images in attachment.
(A9  = set maps and themes onto any sd card folder)

Op donderdag 3 november 2022 om 11:49:50 UTC+1 schreef Emux:
Select maps theme and layers.gif

Emux

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Nov 4, 2022, 6:37:57 AM11/4/22
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Cruiser 3.0.1 was released with:

- Import / export Kurviger routes

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Tom

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Nov 5, 2022, 1:12:28 AM11/5/22
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Import