WDI to IDE adaptor (5)

[Mike Arnold]

Hi folks, I have completed the diagnostic ROM for the W2I and the files are attached. This will enable anyone who constructs the S100 board or hand wires a board to sort out any snags.

Aron, I think that this is the last item that I needed to deliver. Let me know if you need anything else (including advance payment for the PCBs).

I am away for a few days so apologies in advance if I am slow in responding to any questions.

Mike

[Aron Hoekstra]

Wow this is really pro-level documentation, a diag rom like this will make testing and setup so much easier - I need to get to work on wrapping up the board!

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[arnold.mike@talk21.com arnold.mike@talk21.com]

I think that my former business life has stuck with me for documentation. Sorry that it all took so long.

From: Aron Hoekstra
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Wow this is really pro-level documentation, a diag rom like this will make testing and setup so much easier - I need to get to work on wrapping up the board!

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 11:04 AM 'Mike Arnold' via Cromemco <crom...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi folks, I have completed the diagnostic ROM for the W2I and the files are attached. This will enable anyone who constructs the S100 board or hand wires a board to sort out any snags.

Aron, I think that this is the last item that I needed to deliver. Let me know if you need anything else (including advance payment for the PCBs).

I am away for a few days so apologies in advance if I am slow in responding to any questions.

Mike

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[Aron Hoekstra]

Oh no problem at all, I've been draggin my feet as well working on some other projects.

[Aron Hoekstra]

Ok I think I've incorporated all your feedback. Before I start manually routing power rails, I wanted to run this layout by you first & get your thoughts/opinions. Any changes? I went through my pile of 2.5" drive and noticed there are 2 different mounting patterns so I've added holes for both styles. I moved everything in off the edges a bit to account for guide rails, etc. 

[Peter Higgins]

Mike - have you tried using a CF card with a CF-to-IDE adapter in place of a spinning hard drive or SSD drive with your prototype?

[arnold.mike@talk21.com arnold.mike@talk21.com]

Hi Peter

Yes. I bought a number of adaptors (to 40 pin IDE). That included an SD card adaptor which works well and opens up the opportunity to mail the cards as drives to friends without worries.

My dev system now uses my first prototype board with a SSD drive and that works well (hd0 & hd1 CDOS, hd2 68000 Cromix and hd3 Cromix Plus.

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[Peter Higgins]

That is good to know - thank you!

I don't know if Aron has done any of the routing yet for this board but if he needs more space, then dedicating just half the space required by an SSD or spinning drive with use of a CF/IDE adapter could be considered.

[Mike Arnold]

Hi Aron, back from my holiday and I have looked at your layout. A few minor points:

1. Suggest add TP14 GND next to TP13 as an additional ground point.

2. Cosmetic: the fault LED is part of the IMI signal set so you could consider moving it next to flush. This leaves IDE, SEL and ROM as W2I internal signals.
Looks really good. I will be interested to see if Kidcad prefers the new chip layout. Can't wait to get my hands on a board.

Peter, I think your idea for an on-board SD (CF) adapator is good but the adaptors that I have seen don't easily fit on to a pcb. If the adaptor is external (on the 40w ribbon plus a +5V line) then it can be positioned for easy access to the card slot - maybe outside the chassis. Therefore, I suggest we keep to the original plan. 

Regards, Mike.

[Peter Higgins]

This is what I had in mind for mounting of a CF card adapter directly to the PCB:

https://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/IDE%202CF+SD%20Board/IDE%202CF+1SD%20Board.htm

...which only requires soldering a common 2x20 pin right angle header to the board.

The CF card sockets themselves are of course also available separately - see DigiKey part number SAM9213-ND. These are designed for through-hole soldering directly to the PCB for an even more compact design. Soldering these requires a wee bit more skill due to the fine pitch of the pins.

The original design is, of course, perfectly fine.

[Mike Arnold]

I have been thinking about a way of being able to transport large amounts of data and have come up with an idea...

The IDE bus can support two devices (master & slave). W2I v1.0 just uses device 0 (master) but I am playing about with putting a second drive on the bus and adding a function in the diagnostic monitor to copy disks from device 0 to device 1. If device 1 is a removeable medium (eg SD card adaptor attached to the 40 pin header) that would make it easy to clone a drive with its data and mail to someone. Sound fun.
Aron, don't panic. No hardware changes are necessary.

[Peter Higgins]

This is a great idea but based on what I've read about this , there may be issues getting it to work.

CF to IDE adapters usually have a master/slave jumper. However, I have read many accounts of people configuring one of these adapters as a slave device but not being able to get the card recognized - either as a slave to a mechanical hard drive or a slave to another CF to IDE adapter. As just one example - John Monahan tried years ago to make it work when he first designed his popular S100 dual IDE/CF card board and gave up - deciding instead to just host both cards as independent IDE masters.

SD to IDE adapters have a different issue - most do not have a master/slave jumper, hence must be the master.

Ease of data backup (and transfer) is another advantage for using a CF (or SD card) with an IDE adapter as the drive to use on this WDI to IDE adapter board. The CF or SD card can be pulled from the WDI to IDE adapter board, connected to any PC/Mac with an inexpensive USB CF/SD card reader, and contents of the entire card can be imaged to a file - either for your own backup, or to make available for download by others. 

[Aron Hoekstra]

Hey Mike, I've made these final small adjustments & am about to kick off the autorouter - will report back - going to shoot for a 4 layer board and see what happens! Sorry I've been missing a bit, been making some fun advancements on my wifi modem..

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[Mike Arnold]

Aron, great to hear from you. 

I have got some beta code working that allows for two IDE drives on the bus and you can clone virtual drives between them. I have also purchased a CF card and adaptor which I will play with in the coming weeks.

Did you get your Cyclops done? And you're also working on a modem...! Busy man.

Anyway, good luck with the pcb layout.

Mike

[Aron Hoekstra]

Well my laptop just wasn't cutting to so I moved the autorouting process over to my desktop. No I haven't finished the Cyclops yet... That was also ready for autorouting but I ran into some problems and haven't tried again yet - but I've actually learned a few things in the past couple days with this board which should help with that :) 

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[Aron Hoekstra]

Routing is complete, was able to get it all on a 4-layer board (as opposed to 6 layers I was thinking it might end up being).. Autorouting did a pretty good job, but I had a ton of cleanup to do as well as laying down a bunch of thicker power tracers. Now to see what JLC think about the board...

[Aron Hoekstra]

Looks like the following parts I'm going to have to find replacements for?

[Aron Hoekstra]

I went ahead and proceeded to the checkout with those 8 missing components just to get a rough cost, total for 5 boards inc shipping & tariffs comes to about $514. Will be a bit higher once I get these parts figured out. Anyone want to help source replacements through LCSC?

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Hi,

 

Give me a short list of hard-to-find parts and I can scan the internet for them as well as my own 50year old or so stash. 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: crom...@googlegroups.com <crom...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Aron Hoekstra
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I went ahead and proceeded to the checkout with those 8 missing components just to get a rough cost, total for 5 boards inc shipping & tariffs comes to about $514. Will be a bit higher once I get these parts figured out. Anyone want to help source replacements through LCSC?

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2026 at 4:06 PM Aron Hoekstra <null...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like the following parts I'm going to have to find replacements for?

 

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2026 at 3:54 PM Aron Hoekstra <null...@gmail.com> wrote:

Routing is complete, was able to get it all on a 4-layer board (as opposed to 6 layers I was thinking it might end up being).. Autorouting did a pretty good job, but I had a ton of cleanup to do as well as laying down a bunch of thicker power tracers. Now to see what JLC think about the board...

 

 

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[Aron Hoekstra]

Well these missing/shorfall list above are all surface-mount parts that were sourced through LCSC to have stuffed at the factory by JLCPCB..

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[Mike Arnold]

Congratulations on getting the board to only 4 layers. 

As for the unavailable components I suggest looking at LS or F parts instead of the HCT if the HCT part cannot be sourced. The 163 is more worrying as both the F and HCT are not available. Is an HC163 available?
I will have a look at what the theoretical effect is tomorrow morning.

Mike