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open egypt
Feb 13, 2011, 8:45:16 PM2/13/11
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Hi all
We've deployed a crisis crowdmap for Algeria - Open Algeria. You can
find the crowdmap at http://www.openalgeria.org. We are in the early
stages of populating the map, but will be rolling it out fully over
the next few days.
Reports to the map can be followed as they are published, on Twitter
at http://www.twitter.com/openalgeria, on Facebook at
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Egypt/178770328831964, and by RSS
subscription at http://openalgeria.crowdmap.com/feed/.
Thanks
The Open team
We've deployed a crisis crowdmap for Algeria - Open Algeria. You can
find the crowdmap at http://www.openalgeria.org. We are in the early
stages of populating the map, but will be rolling it out fully over
the next few days.
Reports to the map can be followed as they are published, on Twitter
at http://www.twitter.com/openalgeria, on Facebook at
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Egypt/178770328831964, and by RSS
subscription at http://openalgeria.crowdmap.com/feed/.
Thanks
The Open team
Patrick Meier (iRevolution)
Feb 13, 2011, 9:00:16 PM2/13/11
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Many thanks for sharing
Anahi Ayala Iacucci
Feb 13, 2011, 9:02:45 PM2/13/11
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Hey all,
do you guys have any connection with any local organization or activist on this project? what is the goal of this map?
Also you wrote that anonymous reports from within Algeria should use Hushmail but you are using a gmail account. This does make it useless for people to send you e-mail using hushmail cause your e-mail is not secure. In addition to that please keep in mind that the Tunisian government can ultimately bring hushmail to court to ask for the data in hushmail to be given to them (maybe unlikely but needs to be considered).
Also you wrote "Locational info to aid humanitarian efforts in Algeria". Is there any humanitarian organization in Algeria right now? are you in contact with them?
Sorry to ask all this questions, but there are lot of concerns in using Ushahidi in repressive regime and I just want to make sure that you guys have a clear goal and strategy in mind.I ma more than happy to help in any case.
Cheers,
Anahi
do you guys have any connection with any local organization or activist on this project? what is the goal of this map?
Also you wrote that anonymous reports from within Algeria should use Hushmail but you are using a gmail account. This does make it useless for people to send you e-mail using hushmail cause your e-mail is not secure. In addition to that please keep in mind that the Tunisian government can ultimately bring hushmail to court to ask for the data in hushmail to be given to them (maybe unlikely but needs to be considered).
Also you wrote "Locational info to aid humanitarian efforts in Algeria". Is there any humanitarian organization in Algeria right now? are you in contact with them?
Sorry to ask all this questions, but there are lot of concerns in using Ushahidi in repressive regime and I just want to make sure that you guys have a clear goal and strategy in mind.I ma more than happy to help in any case.
Cheers,
Anahi
Anahi Ayala Iacucci
New Media Consultant
an...@crisismappers.net
Mobile (US): + 1 917 363 6603
Mobile (Italy): +39 345 80 53 067
SkypeID: anahiii
Twitter: anahi_ayala
Blog: http://crisismapper.wordpress.com
New Media Consultant
an...@crisismappers.net
Mobile (US): + 1 917 363 6603
Mobile (Italy): +39 345 80 53 067
SkypeID: anahiii
Twitter: anahi_ayala
Blog: http://crisismapper.wordpress.com
Anahi Ayala Iacucci
Feb 14, 2011, 12:29:24 PM2/14/11
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Hey guys,
Patrick just made me realized that my comment on Hushmail may not have been explained in the right way, and that by missing a bit more of context I may have not get the right message.
If you are using Hushmail you e-mail is absolutely much more secure that if you use Gmail or Hotmail or Yahoo. My point on the possibility of Hushmail being forced to release information on the account refers to one single event happening in a Canadian Court where Hushmail was obliged to give its data away. In this event it needs to be considered that Hushmail is a Canadian company and therefore Canadian Courts have jurisdictions over it. The possibility that Algeria will be able to do so is very very small, I would say almost impossible, but I would anyway suggest to check if there is any ruling or precedent in Algeria on trials against foreign companies using encryption (I did a bit of research and couldn't find anything in that direction).
I am really sorry of I may have get my point across in the wrong way, just a bit paranoid lately on security issues and repressive regime. As a side note, if you have the possibility to install TOR or PNG this would be optimal, cause in this way you will not have to rely on a third party for your security (you may not be able to download it from Algeria, but you can ask someone to zip the files and send it around).
My best,
Anahi
Patrick just made me realized that my comment on Hushmail may not have been explained in the right way, and that by missing a bit more of context I may have not get the right message.
If you are using Hushmail you e-mail is absolutely much more secure that if you use Gmail or Hotmail or Yahoo. My point on the possibility of Hushmail being forced to release information on the account refers to one single event happening in a Canadian Court where Hushmail was obliged to give its data away. In this event it needs to be considered that Hushmail is a Canadian company and therefore Canadian Courts have jurisdictions over it. The possibility that Algeria will be able to do so is very very small, I would say almost impossible, but I would anyway suggest to check if there is any ruling or precedent in Algeria on trials against foreign companies using encryption (I did a bit of research and couldn't find anything in that direction).
I am really sorry of I may have get my point across in the wrong way, just a bit paranoid lately on security issues and repressive regime. As a side note, if you have the possibility to install TOR or PNG this would be optimal, cause in this way you will not have to rely on a third party for your security (you may not be able to download it from Algeria, but you can ask someone to zip the files and send it around).
My best,
Anahi
Anahi Ayala Iacucci
New Media Consultant
an...@crisismappers.net
Mobile (US): + 1 917 363 6603
Mobile (Italy): +39 345 80 53 067
SkypeID: anahiii
Twitter: anahi_ayala
Blog: http://crisismapper.wordpress.com
New Media Consultant
an...@crisismappers.net
Mobile (US): + 1 917 363 6603
Mobile (Italy): +39 345 80 53 067
SkypeID: anahiii
Twitter: anahi_ayala
Blog: http://crisismapper.wordpress.com
Chris Blow
Feb 15, 2011, 7:40:22 PM2/15/11
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As a related issue, I just noticed that a great deal of web traffic on
Crowdmap.com goes to Google, through the Google Analytics script at
the bottom of each page. Google regularly gives data to countries all
over the world.
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests
Notably Google states that they will give data to governments if it is
"an emergency request from a government public safety agency seeking
information to save the life of a person who is in peril even though
there is not necessarily a criminal investigation involved." This is
very dangerous language, as it could be easily interpreted to apply to
lots of Crowdmap instance. I think Google Analytics be removed from
Crowdmap instances immediately.
c
On Feb 14, 9:29 am, Anahi Ayala Iacucci <anahiay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Patrick just made me realized that my comment on Hushmail may not have been
> explained in the right way, and that by missing a bit more of context I may
> have not get the right message.
>
> If you are using Hushmail you e-mail is *absolutely much more secure that if
> you use Gmail or Hotmail or Yahoo*. My point on the possibility of Hushmail
> <anahiay...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Thanks
>
> >> The Open team
Crowdmap.com goes to Google, through the Google Analytics script at
the bottom of each page. Google regularly gives data to countries all
over the world.
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests
Notably Google states that they will give data to governments if it is
"an emergency request from a government public safety agency seeking
information to save the life of a person who is in peril even though
there is not necessarily a criminal investigation involved." This is
very dangerous language, as it could be easily interpreted to apply to
lots of Crowdmap instance. I think Google Analytics be removed from
Crowdmap instances immediately.
c
On Feb 14, 9:29 am, Anahi Ayala Iacucci <anahiay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Patrick just made me realized that my comment on Hushmail may not have been
> explained in the right way, and that by missing a bit more of context I may
> have not get the right message.
>
> you use Gmail or Hotmail or Yahoo*. My point on the possibility of Hushmail
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
> > do you guys have any connection with any local organization or activist on
> > this project? what is the goal of this map?
>
> > Also you wrote that anonymous reports from within Algeria should use
> > Hushmail <http://www.hushmail.com/> but you are using a gmail account.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
> > do you guys have any connection with any local organization or activist on
> > this project? what is the goal of this map?
>
> > Also you wrote that anonymous reports from within Algeria should use
> > This does make it useless for people to send you e-mail using hushmail cause
> > your e-mail is not secure. In addition to that please keep in mind that the
> > Tunisian government can ultimately bring hushmail to court to ask for the
> > data in hushmail to be given to them (maybe unlikely but needs to be
> > considered).
>
> > Also you wrote "Locational info to aid humanitarian efforts in Algeria".
> > Is there any humanitarian organization in Algeria right now? are you in
> > contact with them?
>
> > Sorry to ask all this questions, but there are lot of concerns in using
> > Ushahidi in repressive regime and I just want to make sure that you guys
> > have a clear goal and strategy in mind.I ma more than happy to help in any
> > case.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Anahi
>
> > Anahi Ayala Iacucci
>
> > New Media Consultant
> > an...@crisismappers.net
>
> > Mobile (US): + 1 917 363 6603
> > Mobile (Italy): +39 345 80 53 067
> > SkypeID: anahiii
> > Twitter: anahi_ayala
> > Blog:http://crisismapper.wordpress.com
>
> > your e-mail is not secure. In addition to that please keep in mind that the
> > Tunisian government can ultimately bring hushmail to court to ask for the
> > data in hushmail to be given to them (maybe unlikely but needs to be
> > considered).
>
> > Also you wrote "Locational info to aid humanitarian efforts in Algeria".
> > Is there any humanitarian organization in Algeria right now? are you in
> > contact with them?
>
> > Sorry to ask all this questions, but there are lot of concerns in using
> > Ushahidi in repressive regime and I just want to make sure that you guys
> > have a clear goal and strategy in mind.I ma more than happy to help in any
> > case.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Anahi
>
> > Anahi Ayala Iacucci
>
> > New Media Consultant
> > an...@crisismappers.net
>
> > Mobile (US): + 1 917 363 6603
> > Mobile (Italy): +39 345 80 53 067
> > SkypeID: anahiii
> > Twitter: anahi_ayala
> > Blog:http://crisismapper.wordpress.com
>
> > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM, open egypt <openegyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hi all
>
> >> We've deployed a crisis crowdmap for Algeria - Open Algeria. You can
> >> find the crowdmap athttp://www.openalgeria.org. We are in the early
>
> >> Hi all
>
> >> We've deployed a crisis crowdmap for Algeria - Open Algeria. You can
> >> stages of populating the map, but will be rolling it out fully over
> >> the next few days.
>
> >> Reports to the map can be followed as they are published, on Twitter
> >> athttp://www.twitter.com/openalgeria, on Facebook at
> >> the next few days.
>
> >> Reports to the map can be followed as they are published, on Twitter
> >>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Egypt/178770328831964, and by RSS
> >> subscription athttp://openalgeria.crowdmap.com/feed/.
>
> >> Thanks
>
> >> The Open team
Heatherleson
Feb 15, 2011, 8:20:33 PM2/15/11
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Hi Chris and mapper friends,
Could it be an optional to remove google analytics?
We are working hard in Canada to have crowdmap part of the toolkit for emergencies such as storms, fire and flood. Metrics help us prove the value of digital volunteers and mapping
as a valid, visualization communication tool.
I completely understand and agree in case of risk areas.
Heather Leson
Sent by butterfly wings
Chris Blow
Feb 16, 2011, 2:31:45 PM2/16/11
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Brian just reminded me that Google Analytics is actually optional, up
to the administrator — so that's great.
But it should definitely not be turned on for Algeria and other
sensitive contexts (and it is currently turned on for the Algeria
deployment).
Also, note that Ushahidi already has some statistics tracking built
in, so even if you don't use Google Analytics, you can still see
what's happening!
Cautiously analytical,
c
DM Nabti
Feb 17, 2011, 5:51:15 AM2/17/11
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Interesting point and heads-up about the Google Analytics stuff... big thanks for that info. ... and the info about hushmail and other email security options. All things that we need to be more constantly/consistently aware of and cautious about...
I've always had a concern especially related to the processing of SMS reports and inherent security concerns related to that... SMS is a good option, a great tool, but also some serious security concerns there for users in sensitive or politically dangerous situations where monitoring and/or censorship are real threats.
Cheers all,
DMN
Khabbr/Lebanon team
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~~~
• Youth/citizen alternative media in Lebanon (in print, online, in person): www.Hibr.me @hibrme hibr@facebook
• Volunteer, and support volunteering, in Lebanon: www.avs.org.lb
• Tech, open source, and entrepreneurship for sustainable development: www.therootspace.org
• Daily monitoring & translation of news from the Arab World and Iran: www.Mideastwire.com
~~~
REMEMBER! Think before you print... And backup often!
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