Re: [Civsoc-mw] [CRIDOC] Boycotting SA products

[MacBain Mkandawire]

Man of Few Words. 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Maybach Woyee <mbchw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ba Nthenda,
Heeey please,  do not misquote me. I am just reminding you that it seems South African Airlines is similar to Game Stores. Ooh sorry, am even being tempted to ask why we still have the High Commissioner in RSA.
MB, a man of very few words.

On 27 Apr 2015 13:57, "Louis Nthenda" <louisn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just say it, MB.

Fly Ethiopian/Malawian Air to Joburg instead. Or take the bus. Is it Axa?

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Maybach Woyee <mbchw...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am being tempted to remind netters that South African Airways seems to be like Shoprite, Game Stores and PEP Stores. Please, do not misquote me, I am not advocating for people to burn or boycott South African Airlines. I am just reminding people that the name seems familiar. I am a peace loving man.
MB, a man of very few words.

On 27 Apr 2015 11:40, "Louis Nthenda" <louisn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Messrs Chodzi and Fuwa that boycotting South African products is equivalent to following the Code of Hammurabi: an eye for an eye.

This is the most twisted logic I have come across in this debate.

Let's see what exactly these gentlemen are saying.

The Code of Hammurabi goes something like this:

If someone gouges your two eyes and you become blind, you go and gouge theirs. If one of your family members is killed you go and kill the killer's family member. In a recent Iranian Court ruling, a man had poured acid on a girl who had refused his advances;and  thus disfiguring her face and hands and making her completely blind. The Iranian Court ruled that because a woman is valued as half of a man, she was entitled to blind him only in one eye (and half his face) by pouring acid in it. She and her family went to Hospital to be given the acid by medical doctors who had prepared it and to have the sentence carried out with the man pinned to a Hospital bed. (I am not making this up. The story is availabe on a New York Times video link ). It's common practice thorughout most of the Middle East and those countries still under the influence of its culture.

What would an eye for an eye look like in the RSA-Mlw case? Burnings, killings, refugee tents and deportations, recalls of Ambassadors. But is this the case?

Malawian CSOs are calling for a boycott of South African products and shops. I take it that the objective is to show the South Africans that we are interdependent. We do legal business in RSA and they do legal business in Malawi. No CSO has urged Malawians to burn down Shoprite, Games etc; or urged them to kill South African residents or chase them out of their Malawian homes - that would be the Code of Hammurabi, an eye for an eye.

The Malawian approach could in fact be turned into a "Buy Malawian Goods Campaign" in which Shoprite and other South African entities could participate by sourcing more and more of their products from Malawian suppliers and therefore using their sophisticated business strategies to help develop Malawian enterpreneurial skills. That wouldn't be equal to even half of the Code of Hammurabi.

The CSO approach seems to me to be more of an awareness campaign to the advantage of both Malawians and South Africans and shows that each side in the equation has power and can flex it when needed. The Afrophobics think that all power is on their side. It's delusional. The boycott could come as a rude shock and a lesson for the future and open up other opportunites.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:32 AM, yece Malawi <yecem...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

Brother Leader,
Who are CSO Leaders? And who are some of us?
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On Fri, 4/24/15, Fryson Chodzi <fch...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Civsoc-mw] [CRIDOC] Boycotting SA products
 To: "civs...@sdnp.org.mw" <civs...@sdnp.org.mw>
 Cc: cri...@googlegroups.com
 Date: Friday, April 24, 2015, 12:01 PM

 I can't agree
 with you more Fuwa. It seems that our reactions is just
 becoming a replica of what the Zulus have done in the
 xenophobia or else its part of our way of being noticed. 
 While we all acknowledge that what has happened in South
 Africa KZN is wrong and in human, I believe that our
 reaction can even create a bad situation. As we are in the
 comfort of our homes and enjoying the products of South
 Africa from People's, Sana, Chipiku, Standard Bank,
 Cashbuild and each and every Spare part shop in town and any
 small hawker, we are busy creating a provoking situation
 which will not help other Malawians not affected with
 xenophobia in larger part of South Africa.
 It seems the CSO leaders want Tit for Tat, an eye
 for an eye approach which will unfortunately make it worse
 for Malawians in South Africa. In Long terms we need to find
 a situation for coexistence among Africans.  Do we think
 that by forcing and closing down Shoprite, Game and PEP will
 help Malawians in South Africa to have peace or will just
 bled another form of hate for rest of Malawians remaining in
 the rest of South Africa?
 God said that when one slap you in one cheek,
 give him the other cheek as well, but it seems we in the
 CSOs are becoming a shadow of one Past leader who said and
 quote "I am not Jesus, am a son of man, if you slap me,
 i will not give you another cheek, but will slap you
 too" 


 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015
 at 10:20 AM, Fuwa la Moto <fuwal...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Macdonald
 wrote, "Who said we cannot do without South Africa. I
 believe we can do. But I think we cannot not do without
 India or China. The things that we buy from South Africa are
 mostly for urban which we can source from other markets but
 all soap brands mostly used by rural masses have India
 parenthood and small things that are sold in rural areas are
 china and India not SA"
 This is a good
 symbolic gesture. However, we have to act with cool hearts
 and not emotional like the Zulu thugs.

 South African
 businesses are employing our own Malawian brothers and
 sisters in both Malawi and RSA. How many Malawians are
 employed in China or India where these cheap stuff come
 from? I don't know about Malawi, but in other parts of
 Southern Africa the Chinese and Indians employ shop keepers
 from their countries to sell goods made in those countries
 without any direct benefit to Malawians in terms of
 employment.
 There is still
 a very large population of Malawians in various parts of
 RSA, especially in North West, Mpumalanga, Eastern Cape who
 are by large living peacefully. Areas where xenophobia
 flares up are mainly those where Zulus reside. The Vaal are
 (surrounding Johannesburg) and Kwazulu/Natala. Its' not
 all South African tribes that are inhumane. The Zulus and
 their cousin tribes are the main culprits
 here.
 Boycotting
 South African shops does not target those who are at the
 heart of xenophobia. The businesses, we want to target, are
 owned by the USA, South African and UK companies. Boycotting
 the shops means we are venting our anger on another innocent
 group of human beings. It is like slapping James because
 John has destroyed your toy.
 I have advised
 colleagues to condemn xenophobia not by saying "Why are
 you killing fellow Africans (Black Africans)?" This is
 unfortunate statement/question which implies killing other
 races would have been accepted by Africans. We should rise
 above this and stop thinking that Africa is for Black
 people. We have Arabs, Boers, Portuguese, French English
 people who call Africa their ancestral home just like our
 black brothers in Americas call Haiti, Jamaica or the USA
 their ancestral home.
 Ndangodutsamo.
 Just to provide a different perspective.
 ___________________________________________________________________________________
 Fuwa la Moto
 "A secret is when nothing is
 said"

 On 24 April 2015 at
 08:46, Centre For Community and Youth Development <cecoyod...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Oswald,
 I can't agree with you more, We can very well do even
 better without SA products. Your analysis has said it all.
 Let's show them that we have values also.



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 JUMALI' via CRIDOC" <cri...@googlegroups.com>
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 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 06:27:35 +0000
 (UTC)To: Cridoc<cri...@googlegroups.com>; Civsoc<civs...@sdnp.org.mw>ReplyTo:
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 Subject: [CRIDOC] Boycotting SA
 products
 Who said we
 cannot do without South Africa. I believe we can do.
 But I think we cannot not do without India or China. The
 things that we buy
 from South Africa are mostly for urban which we can source
 from other markets
 but all soap brands mostly used by rural masses have India
 parenthood and small
 things that are sold in rural areas are china and India not
 SA. Further, most
 things we buy from SA are not originally SA made but they
 are just repackaged
 there. There are also better supermarkets, for instance,
 India BAZAAR that are
 far much better and can easily replace GAME, Shoprite et al.
 All electronics
 are from Europe or far East and there is no SA brand that
 you can mention.
 Additionally, English Premier league is played in UK and SA
 just import it and
 sell to us through DSTV so others can do. Let us boycott SA
 products, UNILIVER
 is not a South African company it is a European
 Multinational company with
 plants in SA, Kenya, India and many other countries, it is
 only that we are
 served by SA but we can as well be served by India. Finally,
 let me give you my
 example to show that we can do it, I watch pay digital TV,
 Zuku which is
 Kenyan, I drive a Japanese vehicle, my tablet is G'FIVE
 which Chinese, LAPTOP
 is HP which is American, my furniture is from Malawi, I am
 studying with a
 Mauritian university using Indian E-learning platform.  My
 TV is Japanese, my clothes are mostly from
 far east, my fridge is from Game but I bought it with my
 money and I can buy
 from elsewhere e.g. Dubai, China, Japan et al (but I also
 guess it is not SA
 made). I eat potato from Mitundu and Dedza, rice from
 Karonga and KK, Maize
 from Lilongwe, beef and chicken from Mzimba and LL, Fish
 from lake Malawi. I drink
 Carlsberg from Danish company and Coke and Fanta from 
 American company. Whatever small things from
 SA we can buy from Indian market or china. All clothes sold
 in PEP are made in
 China and few are made by Nigerian clothes companies in SA.
 So we can do
 without SA. 

 South Africa is mutually benefiting
 from us because we offer them market yet they don’t much
 of our products so
 they must not make a fuss of it.




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[ezaius innocent]

Dear all,
When the boycotting is done I would like to have a lasting solution to
these migration woes.
Most of the people being victimized in south Africa are either in blue
color jobs or doing nothing at all.
Malawi should do better. It is time we deliberately looked at creating
jobs. Invest more in the youth. Osati achinyamata kumangoiyima mmisewu
lyolyolyolyo...
It is a recipe for disaster.

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