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Eliora Shopbell
This is something that has been bugging me since the release of Sonic Mania Plus, the fact that both Encore Mode and Sonic Mania Adventures are supposed to take place immediately after Classic Sonic returns to his world and because of this they seem to not be able to coexist
This issue came back to my mind just now because I checked the Classic Sonic World page on the wiki and it lists the events of both the game and the short series, without even trying to explain in what way they can both happen, and I don't like that this contraddiction is blatantly ignored
Personally I would like to see both of them be canon but I can't think of a way to make that possible, even putting another adventure between Encore Mode and Mania Adventures where both Eggman (as seen in the Encore Mode true ending) and Sonic (because we see him return again at the start of Mania Adventures) end up in the Modern Sonic World doesn't fix the issue because in that case both Eggman and Sonic would need to come back at the same time at the start of Mania Adventures and that doesn't seem to be the case at all (Eggman seems to have been searching for the Chaos Emeralds for quite a bit before Sonic turns up)
The correct canon is; Mania, then Forces, then Mania Plus. Mania Adventures was made to promote Mania Plus. Adventures isn't canon, it's a kind of spin-off or different take on Sonic returning to Angel Island after the events of Forces.
Mania Plus story clearly takes place directly after Forces (Sonic arriving back on Angel Island-returning from Forces in a portal after travelling to Forces via a similar portal at the end of Mania in Egg Reverie zone). To be fair it's not 100% clear that Mania Plus story takes place directly after Forces, (much like it not being completely clear that Knuckles story in 3&K takes place directly after Sonic defeats Eggman in Doomsday zone), however, there's enough story to heavily imply this is what happens.
I look at Adventures as what happened immediately after Mania's good ending, whereas Encore mode is just some bonus thing where I don't think about the story or how it makes sense for events to play out 100% the same
Generations split the timeline in two, because in that game Classic characters are indeed from the past, it's not explicitly said but there are various indirect hints, like Classic Eggman saying "So I will become THAT crazy?", and at the end Sonic and Tails don't forget the events of Generations, Sonic even says "enjoy your future, it's gonna be great!" They are clearly from the past. And Sonic Forces says the Classic Sonic from Mania is indeed the ones they saw in Generations, since Sonic says "It's been generations since I saw you!".
Now I know I shouldn't rely on what the writers put into Sonic's mouth, but that's been authorized by SEGA, right? And if we don't believe what Sonic and friends say, a.k.a. the word of canon God, what are we supposed to base the canon on?
And obviously Classic Sonic's canon timeline is Sonic 1 -> Sonic 2 -> Sonic CD -> Sonic 3 & Knuckles -> Sonic Generations -> Sonic Mania -> Sonic Forces -> Encore Mode. So... basically, the classics (the ones that matter at least) happen in both timelines, then Generations created the Mania timeline where only the classic games are canon, plus Mania and Plus happen, and Classic Sonic (as Ian Flynn stated again that he is indeed Sonic from the past) becomes from another dimension, the Mania timeline, who crosses over again with Modern in Forces.
It's not that complicated, I actually like this theory. So Classic Sonic is both younger Sonic (Generations) and from a different dimension (Mania and Forces). Younger Sonic evolved into Modern and now the only Classic Sonic is from the Mania world, simple as that. I think it's canon because it's what actually happened with Sega's weird decisions and plans, in Generations Classic was clearly supposed to be from the past, then they decided to make a new classic game and have Sonic be from a different dimension and have him cross paths with Modern again. So plans changed.
Encore Mode is probably the technically the 'most canon' as it's the game, but it's clearly just a bonus story and doesn't really have much new or interesting to offer. Plus it has the Phantom Ruby make a return, which we should kind of believe was destroyed in Forces, I think? It doesn't make sense. But then Mania Adventures has the oddities with the Chaos Emeralds... Despite the Emeralds scattering at the end of Egg Reverie, their whereabouts are strange in Adventures with Sonic already having the green one at the start.
I guess it doesn't matter. They can't both happen, but as they both end with Sonic winning and Eggman getting blasted off to God knows where... Meh. Either works as well as the other so long as you remember that they are mutually exclusive. I'll take Adventures because of the character interactions rather than a retread of Mania.
Let;s be honest, Encore Mode "story" is stupid. Heavies are broken, even though they all escaped after respective boss fight, repeating the whole journey has no sense, why is Eggman doing this again, what is Heavy King doing with those ice cream... it's just stupid. Making it 100% artificially non-canon would be a better option.
Personally I'm beyond caring about trying to reconcile the two or figure out which is supposed to be canon. If we even do get more classic dimension games it's probably not going to matter which post-Forces events happen because they end in basically the same state; Mighty and Ray are back, everything else has no real consequence. And even if it does end up mattering, we won't know that until they reveal some connection to one of them, and then we'll have our answer, so there's no need to fret about it now.
While it is kind of a shame that we can't just slot everything together into one coherent narrative, that doesn't take away from the experience that each of them offered. I'd much rather have both Mania Adventures and Encore mode as incompatible but still individually enjoyable adventures than to shut one out for the sake of a consistent canon that's probably never going to amount to anything anyway.
For me, Mania Adventures seems like a canon story. The Green Emerald... well, I do think Sonic found it as he went through the part of Angel Island (because, even animes dont show the whole A to B thing). Plus Sonic is waving in the beginning as he did in the Forces end.
Why anyone keep saying that ? In Generations Eggman erased all his setbacks, so Generations for the "Classic" or "Mania" Sonic starts right before the Green Hill Zone Boss from Sonic 1. Classic Tails sort of happens, because:
Always just assumed that either Encore is the canon one because it's from the actual game, or whatever is canon would come in Mania 2. Personally, I don't care much which is canon. The Mania story gets screwed up the moment Mania ends and goes into Sonic Forces territory. It's a shame that something simple like a story revolving around the Phantom Ruby, or a classic Sonic story couldn't be handled correctly and have full cohenrency and consistency.
To be honest, it's unclear how much of Mania is going to be canon with Sonic Team's future projects. The Ruby has little importance in Mania beyond being a narrative lever. Will we see the Hard Boiled Heavies again? What happened to the Titanic Monarch? Has Eggman abandoned it? Even the future of Mighty and Ray is uncertain.
Unless a game directly follows on from what happens to Eggman in Encore mode's ending, I personally prefer to consider Encore to be the bonus "What If?" story, because of how whatever it is and how little sense it makes for all the events of Mania to happen all over again exactly the same. And even when you say "because the phantom ruby" that's... just a boring story instead of a non-sensical one.
You can say that canon is not that important and while I like Sonic canon I can somewhat agree, but the fact is that it would have been VERY easy to not screw the canon up this time since they are starting almost from scratch and it's almost like they went out of their way to do that
I guess for now this is a "chose your headcanon" situation where you can chose one of them to be the sequel you want to be canon for yourself, I hope the situation is made more clear in the future with an eventual proper sequel to Mania
Roger pointed out that Encore Mode shows Sonic coming back WITH PHANTOM RUBY. Forces ends with Sonic coming back alone. So comparing the poses, Encore Mode seems to it's ignore existence of Forces... just to confuse things further.
Quick question, I know Encore is part of the game, so in "more cannon", but who bloody cares whenever it happened or not? It's exactly the same journey, just with different colors and headache (again, unless later games make something with it). Even Mighty & Ray aren't special as you can play with them in normal mode.
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