Utah accident

[Mark Sanzone]

Apparently Justin (Flystyle) had an accident.  Anyone know anything about it?

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[Lance Woolen]

Shocking!!

On Jun 17, 2013 8:30 AM, "Mark Sanzone" <msan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Apparently Justin (Flystyle) had an accident.  Anyone know anything about it?

>> https://www.giveforward.com/fundraiser/l5k2/justin-vanboer
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[Steve Forslund]

 Really Lance? Are you having a bad Monday? 

We are all close to an accident just by choosing to fly paragliders( and variations of).  I hope for the best for Justin and am really sad to hear this.

Steve Forslund

[Jon Malmberg]

Just an FYI for everyone out there...

The accident occurred in Hailey Idaho where we were for a speed wing Boogie...  The incident did not involve any other flyers and/or either spectators, and in respect to Justin I will forgo details until Justin is able to make his own statement.  Bottom line, Justin was not putting anyone else at risk and/or breaking any USHPA rules.  When we saw Justin off from the Ketchum hospital the diagnosis was dire and included discussions of paralysis.  In the last few days things have turned out much for the better.  Although Justin's injuries include L4, sacrum, and coccyx fractures he will eventually be back and walking tall.

Please keep your sarcasm to yourselves.  Steve is correct that we all choose to fly and tempt risks at levels we personally deem acceptable.  We are all just an incorrect toggle tug away from ending up in a similar situation.  The pilot that thinks he is better and/or will never make similar mistakes is only fooling and lulling himself into a false sense of security.

Get well Justin...

Thanks, Jon Malmberg

[Jon Malmberg]

Big Shout out to all you guys who responded privately...  Justin is a stand up guy who always wears his true colors on his sleeve, and has done everything possible to promote all forms of free flight.

Latest is that he is in good spirits and cracking to get up out of that hospital bed and get on with the rehab work.

Thanks again for all your well wishes, Jon Malmberg

[Steve Forslund]

 

 CPC'ers ?  all lumped together and a bit divisive in tone. Yes a member of the club had an incident and posted a report.

The type of wing had nothing to do with Lance's insensitive sarcasm as there was no details given, it was his personal observation of Justin during his early training.  Let us not turn this one callous remark into more then it was. This is not a them and us thing!

Keep posting Jon and encourage others we could use more flight reports and adventures.

Steve Forslund





 On 6/17/2013 11:46 PM, Jon Malmberg wrote:

Hmmm, turns out the CPC'ers also had an incident on Sunday out at Ecola that could have turned fatal very easily.  First off, I am relieved to hear that the pilot is okay as we all know how badly landing in the surf can go.  

Second, even though it was a one word comment... a stone was definitely cast at a pilot because he was flying a different canopy and taking different risks.  Shame on anyone for even thinking ill/sarcastic thoughts towards any other pilot no matter what type of canopy they are flying...  I personally fly every type of canopy out there (even have a Peak 3 now), and Justin also is a paraglider (tandem/basic instructor), speed wing flyer, BASE jumper, skydiver, and even a wing suit flyer.  Not many can claim that type of background/experience.

Remember, we all have either made mistakes or will make one if we fly long enough.  Also remember that mini wings and speed wings are coming under the same umbrella of USHPA.  We need to get over this division or it may eventually tear USHPA apart.

Okay, pretty much have hit my yearly quota for posting on this site.  Looking forward to seeing all you fellow flyers out there pulling brake.

Jon

[Jon Malmberg]

Steve's comments are valid and I sincerely apologize for letting my frustrations get the best of me.  

[Lance Woolen]

And I apologize for being a dick.

Jon Malmberg <jbam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Steve's comments are valid and I sincerely apologize for letting my frustrations get the best of me.  

[Steve Forslund]

If only our government worked this good !

peace out

SF

[Cloudsurf Paragliding]

I just want to say that I think Lance's comment is totally antithetical to the actual feelings of most of the fellow pilots in the flying community.

Maybe Justin appears to take more risks than you would personally, but sarcastically implying that he had it coming is insulting to us all for several reasons:

1) Justin is a fellow pilot and our first concern is for his well-being and recovery.

2) That kind of sentiment is exactly what a large proportion of the population at large probably thinks about anyone who glides around the sky with a souped-up tent over their heads. 

I expect insensitive, I-told-you-so remarks from the punters on a YouTube comments section but not from within my own community of pilots.

3) We all take varying levels of risk in this sport. Taking more risk for yourself is one thing. Personally I think there are some sketchy, not-so-current pilots that come out of the woodwork for the occasional sketchy tandem flight that put other people at risk which is a far more insidious to our community than a solo pilot that chooses to push his/her limits. 

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[Paul Murdoch]

I think this is a very valid discussion that started on the wrong – if understandable – foot.

 

Lance’s sentiment is not as rare as you say, in my opinion.  He just happened to verbalize it. 

 

Let’s say your risk tolerance is a 4.  Someone else’s is a 10.  You may think that guy is crazy or reckless.  So when ‘that guy’ crashes, those who thought he was taking too many chances may feel bad, but still wonder “What did he expect?”

 

It is probably good to remember that every pilot on this forum is viewed as crazy/reckless/insane by others in your immediate family.  If and when you get hurt, they will worry and give aid.  And they will wonder, “Well, what did he expect?”….

 

We tend to be more forgiving for those who take fewer risks than we find appropriate.  We are less so with those who take more.  But it’s all relative.

 

Paul