Wood

[gene]

Maybe you noticed sam...

There was a big wood bust . 

Seems a group of harvesters (illegal) were caught...not sure but i heard with 700 posts...

Would be nice if yhey concentrated equally on burglaries and assaults ..as i am sure most costa ricans worry about...probably

Probably my only concernable downside 

Of residing in costa rica...

Good morning to all

Pura vida

Gene

[aes.j...@gmail.com]

Gene,

Perhaps it is because the posts are not armed . . . . .  jus-sayin!

Art

[gene]

Lol...did you notice the sig assault rifle???

You just have to cautious when dealing with fence posts...

I moved here dec 07...that month our bank was robbed...95 000 bucks headed to limon...took a torch to tbe roof...a call was made to the police department abot light on the bank roof.. 

It was promptly checked out...at first light..

Lol...

Sig vs torch???

I will take those odds any time!!!

Only in costa rica.

Gene

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[Sam Wilson]

Good one, Art!  jajaja.  Seriously, there are some Tico police who really

are valiant officers.  I've known a couple who I think would take a bullet

for me, but I often wonder about legions of security guards making slightly

more than minimum wage (2018 Salario Mínimo: ¢262.298,1)...

Regular Guards are classified as TSCG: Trabajador Semicalificado Genéricos and

the 2018 salary for this is: ¢323.028 (about $572 USD) per month.  That is not much

for risking one's life as part of the ole 8 to 5 every day.

It is a little more difficult to find base salaries for gov't employees, but back in 2013,

la nación reported the base salaryfor police level "agente 1" was ¢267.300 with add-on

bumps of:

    +18% for police risk

    +25% for availability (good attendance!?)

    +12.5% for career officers

Tusalario.org/CostaRica reports that base police salary is currently ¢486,200 but I

don't know if that includes the common bumps or not.  Finding current and official on

this is left as an exercise to the gentle reader...  jajaja.

Bottom line is that it still not much money taking a bullet for someone else, or for going

out to investigate those who surely have guns and are not above using them out in

the middle of nowhere...

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Sam,

My wife's cousin back in ol' Bakersfield was a shoot-em cop. He thought each encounter was another OK Coral and treated it as such. He was/is an officer that others would like to see when they went out for a stand off or such. Personally I think there should be more officers such as him even here in Costa Rica. To stop crime you need to make the punishment more extreme than the crime. If you wanted to take a person's cell phone but the responding officer can shoot you, I think you would forget about the phone and perhaps even get a job, think? You can't clean a toilet by sprinkling so perfume on it.

Art 

[Joe Harrison]

but no one has mentioned the judicial system here in CR.  Or, for that matter, in the US.   And the terrible penalties that peace officers suffer if they make even the tiniest mistake in procedure with respect to handling a suspect.  Even if all procedures are handled perfectly, the judges, especially in CR, tend to treat first offenders like most parents do their 2-year old who makes a mistake in manners:  a gentle slap on the wrist.   Or like a priest after an act of contrition:  Go, and sin no more.  Please?

[Sam Wilson]

Joe,

I think you are correct.  The judicial system, judges in particular, in Costa Rica is HORRIBLE

for doling out consequences for bad actions.  At least our local coppers will bust a rib or two

when they catch a delinquent to encourage them to leave the comfort of our community and

move to San José or Alajuela, but the judges and the whole system in general is horrible.  I

personally know of a thief caught red-handed leaving a computer store (Internet Café) via the

roof at 3 AM loaded down with cash, a radio and some computer stuff he stole from the store

in Liberia.  The police caught him red-handed.  The judge set him free the next day because

there was no proof that the store owner had not "loaned" him the money and did not "lend" him

the radio and computer stuff he stole.  Bad actions, no consequence.

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Sam

[Joe Harrison]

Damn, so that's how we get so many bad actors here in SJ?  The little assholes are "encouraged" to move here?  No es justo, mi amigo!  And the judges here just repeat the process you detailed, and on and on it goes until the kid gets ready for the big time:  drug gangs!  and they seem to be emerging nationwide.  Only good thing is that they seem to kill each other off, giving real meaning to "swift justice."

[Sam Wilson]

Joe,

Isn't that how it always works? Small communities know their bad actors and they

are encouraged to get the hell out of dodge.  Sometimes more forcefully than others.

> It is a little more difficult to find base salaries for gov't employees [ ... ]

> Finding current and official on this is left as an exercise to the gentle reader...  jajaja.

Turns out that transparency in action has provided us with the actual salary data

for each (of 16300) police officer along with other neat data in a spread-sheet no less!

Categorías Salariales y Perfiles de Puestos

Complementos salariales primera quincena marzo 2018

Column Q has base salaries, all the other add-ons are scattered in there as well.

For completeness sake it looks like a typical "Agente 1 FP" (row 707) in this case is...

Male, 30 years old, with 8 years on the force

Salary is composed of:

Base Salary:  ¢311750

+ Add-ons...

police risk: ¢56115

police career: ¢28057.5

annual increase: ¢54872

5 years of service: ¢15030

high risk: ¢10351

availability: ¢77937.5

 

That's a grand monthly salary of: ¢554113 - less than $1000 USD / month.  Kind of

on par for minimum wage for a university grad (Bachiller) job: ¢537223.

So that, mi amigo, is how la Fuerza Pública gana su pan...  

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Sam

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Joe Harrison <joeharr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Damn, so that's how we get so many bad actors here in SJ?  The little assholes are "encouraged" to move here?  No es justo, mi amigo!  And the judges here just repeat the process you detailed, and on and on it goes until the kid gets ready for the big time:  drug gangs!  and they seem to be emerging nationwide.  Only good thing is that they seem to kill each other off, giving real meaning to "swift justice."

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Sam Wilson <sliw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Joe,

I think you are correct.  The judicial system, judges in particular, in Costa Rica is HORRIBLE

for doling out consequences for bad actions.  At least our local coppers will bust a rib or two

when they catch a delinquent to encourage them to leave the comfort of our community and

move to San José or Alajuela, but the judges and the whole system in general is horrible.  I

personally know of a thief caught red-handed leaving a computer store (Internet Café) via the

roof at 3 AM loaded down with cash, a radio and some computer stuff he stole from the store

in Liberia.  The police caught him red-handed.  The judge set him free the next day because

there was no proof that the store owner had not "loaned" him the money and did not "lend" him

the radio and computer stuff he stole.  Bad actions, no consequence.

--

Sam

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Joe Harrison <joeharr...@gmail.com> wrote:

but no one has mentioned the judicial system here in CR.  Or, for that matter, in the US.   And the terrible penalties that peace officers suffer if they make even the tiniest mistake in procedure with respect to handling a suspect.  Even if all procedures are handled perfectly, the judges, especially in CR, tend to treat first offenders like most parents do their 2-year old who makes a mistake in manners:  a gentle slap on the wrist.   Or like a priest after an act of contrition:  Go, and sin no more.  Please?

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 9:18 AM, <aes.j...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sam,

My wife's cousin back in ol' Bakersfield was a shoot-em cop. He thought each encounter was another OK Coral and treated it as such. He was/is an officer that others would like to see when they went out for a stand off or such. Personally I think there should be more officers such as him even here in Costa Rica. To stop crime you need to make the punishment more extreme than the crime. If you wanted to take a person's cell phone but the responding officer can shoot you, I think you would forget about the phone and perhaps even get a job, think? You can't clean a toilet by sprinkling so perfume on it.

Art 

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 8:47:25 AM UTC-6, Sam Wilson wrote:

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