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Thomas

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Oct 15, 2012, 12:52:42 PM10/15/12

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html

‘Climate models are very complex, but they are imperfect and incomplete. Natural variability [the impact of factors such as long-term temperature cycles in the oceans and the output of the sun] has been shown over the past two decades to have a magnitude that dominates the greenhouse warming effect.

‘It is becoming increasingly apparent that our attribution of warming since 1980 and future projections of climate change needs to consider natural internal variability as a factor of fundamental importance.’

Why I said "let's wait and see."

- Thomas Wilhelm

Nathan Farrar

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Oct 15, 2012, 1:17:28 PM10/15/12

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Interesting indeed. This could potentially influence my opinion - however I don't see any references, links or citations to the data the author is referencing. Am I missing it? Who published it? Can we get to it?

Also, I would say that I more accurately believe in the potential for human-induced climate change but not necessarily "global warming."

I believe climate change / human environmental impact is a very complicated subject and as I am not well versed in it, I defer to those who I believe are performing appropriate, non-biased scientific research on the subject.

In this case, I believe that the organization doing that job the best is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change

From what I've seen, this organization's research and findings have nearly universal support int he scientific community.

WIth their fourth report, release in 2007 being the most up to date:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report (Their fifth report is due in 2014).

This report doesn't state exactly what will happen, but it does include many models for potential scenarios, based on the available data.

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