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Subject: NYT Herbert/Mayer- the Torture Ideas are *Israel's*...
was[SpinLyme] US Torture techniques come from Israel not China or
Korea
Date: Jul 22, 2008 10:22 AM
The Palestinian Hanging- Wolfowitz and the Israelis torture and
terrorize Palestinians.
That's where these ideas came from. This occurred before the TV show
"24."
http://www.actionlyme.org/CRYME_DISEASE.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/353491.stm
ISRAEL WIRETAPPING THE ENTIRE US NATION- FOX NEWS:
http://www.actionlyme.org/080713.htm
It is the New York Times and the New Yorker who is side-stepping the
truth. These
criminals may SAY they got the ideas from "24," but the truth is very
different.
It was Paul Worlfowitz. Don't forget, Wolfie was Cheney's personal
monster-maker.
It was Wolfowitz who through the detente years kept saying things
like, "Oh,
Russian secret weapons are so secret we can't even see them- which
proves how
secret they are."
Verify independently. Wolfie was Cheney's personal brain-warper, and
Irving
Libby was the Master Warper's Number Two. Libby was a student of
Wolfie's
at Yale...
KMDickson
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/opinion/22herbert.html?hp
The New York Times
Printer Friendly Format Sponsored By
July 22, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Madness and Shame
By BOB HERBERT
You want a scary thought? Imagine a fanatic in the mold of Dick Cheney
but without
the vice president’s sense of humor.
In her important new book, “The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the
War on Terror
Turned Into a War on American Ideals,” Jane Mayer of The New Yorker
devotes a great
deal of space to David Addington, Dick Cheney’s main man and the lead
architect
of the Bush administration’s legal strategy for the so-called war on
terror.
She quotes a colleague as saying of Mr. Addington: “No one stood to
his right.”
Colin Powell, a veteran of many bruising battles with Mr. Cheney, was
reported to
have summed up Mr. Addington as follows: “He doesn’t believe in the
Constitution.”
Very few voters are aware of Mr. Addington’s existence, much less what
he stands
for. But he was the legal linchpin of the administration’s Marquis de
Sade approach
to battling terrorism. In the view of Mr. Addington and his acolytes,
anything and
everything that the president authorized in the fight against terror —
regardless
of what the Constitution or Congress or the Geneva Conventions might
say — was all
right. That included torture, rendition, warrantless wiretapping, the
suspension
of habeas corpus, you name it.
This is the mind-set that gave us Abu Ghraib, Guantánamo and the
C.I.A.’s secret
prisons, known as “black sites.”
Ms. Mayer wrote: “The legal doctrine that Addington espoused — that
the president,
as commander in chief, had the authority to disregard virtually all
previously known
legal boundaries if national security demanded it — rested on a
reading of the Constitution
that few legal scholars shared.”
When the constraints of the law are unlocked by the men and women in
suits at the
pinnacle of power, terrible things happen in the real world. You end
up with detainees
being physically and psychologically tormented day after day, month
after month,
until they beg to be allowed to commit suicide. You have prisoners
beaten until
they are on the verge of death, or hooked to overhead manacles like
something out
of the Inquisition, or forced to defecate on themselves, or sexually
humiliated,
or driven crazy by days on end of sleep deprivation and blinding
lights and blaring
noises, or water-boarded.
To get a sense of the heights of madness scaled in this anything-goes
atmosphere,
consider a brainstorming meeting held by military officials at
Guantánamo. Ms. Mayer
said the meeting was called to come up with ways to crack through the
resistance
of detainees.
“One source of ideas,” she wrote, “was the popular television show
‘24.’ On that
show as Ms. Mayer noted, “torture always worked. It saved America on a
weekly basis.”
I felt as if I was in Never-Never Land as I read: “In conversation
with British
human rights lawyer Philippe Sands, the top military lawyer in
Guantánamo, Diane
Beaver, said quite earnestly that Jack Bauer ‘gave people lots of
ideas’ as they
sought for interrogation models.”
Donald Rumsfeld described the detainees at Guantánamo as “the worst of
the worst.”
A more sober assessment has since been reached by many respected
observers. Ms.
Mayer mentioned a study conducted by attorneys and law students at the
Seton Hall
University Law School.
“After reviewing 517 of the Guantánamo detainees’ cases in depth,” she
said, “they
concluded that only 8 percent were alleged to have associated with Al
Qaeda. Fifty-five
percent were not alleged to have engaged in any hostile act against
the United States
at all, and the remainder were charged with dubious wrongdoing,
including having
tried to flee U.S. bombs. The overwhelming majority — all but 5
percent — had been
captured by non-U.S. players, many of whom were bounty hunters.”
The U.S. shamed itself on George W. Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s watch,
and David Addington
and others like him were willing to manipulate the law like Silly
Putty to give
them the legal cover they desired. Ms. Mayer noted that Arthur
Schlesinger Jr.,
the late historian, believed that “the Bush administration’s
extralegal counterterrorism
program presented the most dramatic, sustained and radical challenge
to the rule
of law in American history.”
After reflecting on major breakdowns of law that occurred in prior
administrations,
including the Watergate disaster, Mr. Schlesinger told Ms. Mayer: “No
position taken
has done more damage to the American reputation in the world — ever.”
Americans still have not come to grips with this disastrous stain on
the nation’s
soul. It’s important that the whole truth eventually come out, and as
many of the
wrongs as possible be rectified.
Ms. Mayer, as much as anyone, is doing her part to pull back the
curtain on the
awful reality. “The Dark Side” is essential reading for those who
think they can
stand the truth.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kathleen <janmu...@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 22, 2008 7:14 AM
>Subject: [SpinLyme] US Torture techniques come from Israel not China or Korea
>
>Palestinian Hanging, means, um, crucifixion without the nails.
>And it is called Palestinian Hanging because that's what Israel does to
Palestinians.
>
>I just thought I would straighten out the BS about where these ideas come from.
>
>They come from Paul Wolfowitz. The torture was his idea.
>
>http://www.actionlyme.org/index.htm
>
>See Palestinian Hanging and related Israeli torture techniques on this page:
>http://www.actionlyme.org/CRYME_DISEASE.htm
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/353491.stm
>
>Kathleen M. Dickson
>Wiretap and Stalkee
>http://www.actionlyme.org
>
>------------------------------------
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Subject: NYT Herbert/Mayer- the Torture Ideas are *Israel's*...
was[SpinLyme] US Torture techniques come from Israel not China or
Korea
Date: Jul 22, 2008 10:22 AM
The Palestinian Hanging- Wolfowitz and the Israelis torture and
terrorize Palestinians.
That's where these ideas came from. This occurred before the TV show
"24."
http://www.actionlyme.org/CRYME_DISEASE.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/353491.stm
ISRAEL WIRETAPPING THE ENTIRE US NATION- FOX NEWS:
http://www.actionlyme.org/080713.htm
It is the New York Times and the New Yorker who is side-stepping the
truth. These
criminals may SAY they got the ideas from "24," but the truth is very
different.
It was Paul Worlfowitz. Don't forget, Wolfie was Cheney's personal
monster-maker.
It was Wolfowitz who through the detente years kept saying things
like, "Oh,
Russian secret weapons are so secret we can't even see them- which
proves how
secret they are."
Verify independently. Wolfie was Cheney's personal brain-warper, and
Irving
Libby was the Master Warper's Number Two. Libby was a student of
Wolfie's
at Yale...
KMDickson
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/opinion/22herbert.html?hp
The New York Times
Printer Friendly Format Sponsored By
July 22, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Madness and Shame
By BOB HERBERT
You want a scary thought? Imagine a fanatic in the mold of Dick Cheney
but without
the vice president’s sense of humor.
In her important new book, “The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the
War on Terror
Turned Into a War on American Ideals,” Jane Mayer of The New Yorker
devotes a great
deal of space to David Addington, Dick Cheney’s main man and the lead
architect
of the Bush administration’s legal strategy for the so-called war on
terror.
She quotes a colleague as saying of Mr. Addington: “No one stood to
his right.”
Colin Powell, a veteran of many bruising battles with Mr. Cheney, was
reported to
have summed up Mr. Addington as follows: “He doesn’t believe in the
Constitution.”
Very few voters are aware of Mr. Addington’s existence, much less what
he stands
for. But he was the legal linchpin of the administration’s Marquis de
Sade approach
to battling terrorism. In the view of Mr. Addington and his acolytes,
anything and
everything that the president authorized in the fight against terror —
regardless
of what the Constitution or Congress or the Geneva Conventions might
say — was all
right. That included torture, rendition, warrantless wiretapping, the
suspension
of habeas corpus, you name it.
This is the mind-set that gave us Abu Ghraib, Guantánamo and the
C.I.A.’s secret
prisons, known as “black sites.”
Ms. Mayer wrote: “The legal doctrine that Addington espoused — that
the president,
as commander in chief, had the authority to disregard virtually all
previously known
legal boundaries if national security demanded it — rested on a
reading of the Constitution
that few legal scholars shared.”
When the constraints of the law are unlocked by the men and women in
suits at the
pinnacle of power, terrible things happen in the real world. You end
up with detainees
being physically and psychologically tormented day after day, month
after month,
until they beg to be allowed to commit suicide. You have prisoners
beaten until
they are on the verge of death, or hooked to overhead manacles like
something out
of the Inquisition, or forced to defecate on themselves, or sexually
humiliated,
or driven crazy by days on end of sleep deprivation and blinding
lights and blaring
noises, or water-boarded.
To get a sense of the heights of madness scaled in this anything-goes
atmosphere,
consider a brainstorming meeting held by military officials at
Guantánamo. Ms. Mayer
said the meeting was called to come up with ways to crack through the
resistance
of detainees.
“One source of ideas,” she wrote, “was the popular television show
‘24.’ On that
show as Ms. Mayer noted, “torture always worked. It saved America on a
weekly basis.”
I felt as if I was in Never-Never Land as I read: “In conversation
with British
human rights lawyer Philippe Sands, the top military lawyer in
Guantánamo, Diane
Beaver, said quite earnestly that Jack Bauer ‘gave people lots of
ideas’ as they
sought for interrogation models.”
Donald Rumsfeld described the detainees at Guantánamo as “the worst of
the worst.”
A more sober assessment has since been reached by many respected
observers. Ms.
Mayer mentioned a study conducted by attorneys and law students at the
Seton Hall
University Law School.
“After reviewing 517 of the Guantánamo detainees’ cases in depth,” she
said, “they
concluded that only 8 percent were alleged to have associated with Al
Qaeda. Fifty-five
percent were not alleged to have engaged in any hostile act against
the United States
at all, and the remainder were charged with dubious wrongdoing,
including having
tried to flee U.S. bombs. The overwhelming majority — all but 5
percent — had been
captured by non-U.S. players, many of whom were bounty hunters.”
The U.S. shamed itself on George W. Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s watch,
and David Addington
and others like him were willing to manipulate the law like Silly
Putty to give
them the legal cover they desired. Ms. Mayer noted that Arthur
Schlesinger Jr.,
the late historian, believed that “the Bush administration’s
extralegal counterterrorism
program presented the most dramatic, sustained and radical challenge
to the rule
of law in American history.”
After reflecting on major breakdowns of law that occurred in prior
administrations,
including the Watergate disaster, Mr. Schlesinger told Ms. Mayer: “No
position taken
has done more damage to the American reputation in the world — ever.”
Americans still have not come to grips with this disastrous stain on
the nation’s
soul. It’s important that the whole truth eventually come out, and as
many of the
wrongs as possible be rectified.
Ms. Mayer, as much as anyone, is doing her part to pull back the
curtain on the
awful reality. “The Dark Side” is essential reading for those who
think they can
stand the truth.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kathleen <janmu...@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 22, 2008 7:14 AM
>Subject: [SpinLyme] US Torture techniques come from Israel not China or Korea
>
>Palestinian Hanging, means, um, crucifixion without the nails.
>And it is called Palestinian Hanging because that's what Israel does to
Palestinians.
>
>I just thought I would straighten out the BS about where these ideas come from.
>
>They come from Paul Wolfowitz. The torture was his idea.
>
>http://www.actionlyme.org/index.htm
>
>See Palestinian Hanging and related Israeli torture techniques on this page:
>http://www.actionlyme.org/CRYME_DISEASE.htm
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/353491.stm
>
>Kathleen M. Dickson
>Wiretap and Stalkee
>http://www.actionlyme.org
>
>------------------------------------
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