Re: Corithinia

[Peter Kelly]

Hi Ian,

As of a week ago I’m out of a job - so yes I’ve got to find something else to do with my time :)

I don’t plan on finding any paid employment for a while yet and, among other things, am going to try and get Corinthia revived. I plan to put up a proper website shortly and start writing some documentation, as well as converting the editor to Typescript (which I’ve starting using recently, and been really impressive).

Another thing I’ve come across recently is Electron (http://electron.atom.io) which lets you develop “native” apps using web technologies - it’s basically a wrapper around Chrome’s rendering engine that presents the content in a window without any of the normal browser controls, and gives you things like direct filesystem etc. I think this would be a good way forward for the app as we can get both a browser-based app and a desktop app out of the same codebase. Qt is still an option as well.

Let’s do this.

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On 22 Jan 2016, at 8:43 AM, Ian C <i...@amham.net> wrote:

Hi Peter,

I saw a couple of emails from you on the Apache list. You have returned from your contract?

I am still interested in making Corinthia work, and applying it to my Masters work (or vice versa).

I have been on a leave of absence from my Masters for the last few months and have learned some other things instead (was supposed to be catching up ;-) ). But I am now returning to it and things ODF.

So if you're up for it let me know and we'll see what we can do.

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Cheers,

Ian C

[jan iversen]

Hi Peter

Long time no see. I am sorry to hear you are out of job, last we talked it sounded as a job that could go on forever.

I am pretty hung up with my new job (LibreOffice) and my divorce. I am currently moving to new city and trying to get the house sold.

Let me see if I can find a couple of spare cycles to help with Corinthia, alternatively we might think about reviewing the old of idea of moving part of corinthia to LO.

rgds

jan i.

Sent from my iPad, please excuse any misspellings 

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[Peter Kelly]

On 22 Jan 2016, at 9:13 PM, jan iversen <jancas...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Peter

Long time no see. I am sorry to hear you are out of job, last we talked it sounded as a job that could go on forever.

That’s what I’d hoped - but what can I say, large companies & contracting are... complicated. They’ve paid me very well over the past year though, so I’m going to spend some time doing fun stuff like Corinthia instead of chasing more paid work straight away. I’m considering starting a book on TypeScript as well - I’ve been looking into this recently and I think it’s something very interesting (and topical).

I am pretty hung up with my new job (LibreOffice) and my divorce. I am currently moving to new city and trying to get the house sold.

Congratulations on the former, and condolences on the latter. I’m pleased to hear you’re working with LO now - I think the transition from OO is… poetic justice? While I wouldn’t admit it publicly while associated with ASF, I think LO is really where the future lies.

Let me see if I can find a couple of spare cycles to help with Corinthia, alternatively we might think about reviewing the old of idea of moving part of corinthia to LO.

Sounds great - I’m definitely open to working with the LO team. Fortunately with our recent independence we are now more free in terms of licensing issues and affiliations. It would be nice to see some form of collaboration at some point. I think the web app aspect of Corinthia is particularly interesting in this regard, and that’s going to be my main area of focus in the coming weeks.

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 22 Jan 16, at 10:26, Peter Kelly <kell...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sounds great - I’m definitely open to working with the LO team. Fortunately with our recent independence we are now more free in terms of licensing issues and affiliations. It would be nice to see some form of collaboration at some point. I think the web app aspect of Corinthia is particularly interesting in this regard, and that’s going to be my main area of focus in the coming weeks.
>

Same here regarding LO team. I do not think they should consider my presence among Corinthia an issue. If they do, we can deal with it then.

-louis

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi All,
Not exactly relevant to Corinthia or anything else but I just posted my departure from AOO note to the PMC private list and also the dev@aoo (community) list.

I remain subscribed to numerous other Apache lists, as well as the dev@aoo list but not the PMC list.

louis

[Gabriela Gibson]

Hi Louis,

I hope this means you have time to play here @ Corinthia ;-)

G

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 28 Jan 16, at 19:06, Gabriela Gibson <gabriel...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Louis,
>
> I hope this means you have time to play here @ Corinthia ;-)
>

:-)
But I don't code. And my impression is that coding, at least for right now, is needed. Of course, I would love to promote Corinthia more: to do noncoding work on the project's behalf. But first we need Corinthia as an operational fact, not just as a conceptual image.

That said, it does mean that I am, I hope, not encumbering an liaison with LibreOffice, as I might have just a few hours ago.

-louisk

[jan iversen]

Sent from my iPad, please excuse any misspellings

> On 29 Jan 2016, at 03:17, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>> On 28 Jan 16, at 19:06, Gabriela Gibson <gabriel...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Louis,
>>
>> I hope this means you have time to play here @ Corinthia ;-)
>
> :-)
> But I don't code. And my impression is that coding, at least for right now, is needed. Of course, I would love to promote Corinthia more: to do noncoding work on the project's behalf. But first we need Corinthia as an operational fact, not just as a conceptual image.
>
> That said, it does mean that I am, I hope, not encumbering an liaison with LibreOffice, as I might have just a few hours ago.

I have read your mail, it will be interesting to see if AOO reads it as retirement or just that you go silent. Personally I did not read it as retirement (the other retirees were more specific in what should happen).

If Corinthia should move towards LibreOffice, I am convinced it is a lot more a question of source code than people.

With my LO hat on, I would welcome a cooperation. Corinthia (at least peters closed source version) has a lot to offer on IOS where LO is really weak. I also have a feeling that the OOXML in corinthia is more complete. The ODF support is nearly mandatory for any real cooperation.

I am slowly getting my head above water again, with a totally new life (and work).

rgds
jan i.

[Peter Kelly]

On 29 Jan 2016, at 9:17 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 28 Jan 16, at 19:06, Gabriela Gibson <gabriel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Louis,

I hope this means you have time to play here @ Corinthia ;-)

:-)
But I don't code. And my impression is that coding, at least for right now, is needed. Of course, I would love to promote Corinthia more: to do noncoding work on the project's behalf. But first we need Corinthia as an operational fact, not just as a conceptual image.

Agreed. I think that’s always been a problem with the project in terms of it being easy for new people to get involved - we don’t have anything concrete we can show off that really grabs attention. While we have the command-line tool for converting between file formats, it’s not as exciting as a full application that someone can open a test document in.

I’m focusing my efforts right now on refactoring the editor library to make it a lot more easier to work with, converting it to TypeScript. The next step is to put together a basic web app which allows you to edit text and chance basic formatting, so we can put together a website that has a demo of some form, however basic.

The library is currently in a state of flux due to the extensive refactoring, but you can follow my progress at:

https://github.com/corinthia/corinthia-editor/commits/master

I’ve just renamed this repository from corinthia-editorlib to corinthia-editor, since we already have -webapp and -qtapp. I think it would be useful for us to make this installable as an npm module as well, so e.g. you can do “npm install corinthia-editor” and then build that functionality into your app.

I would like to propose that we make the web app the focus for the time being, since that gives us both browser-basd functionality, and the ability to package it up as a “native-like” desktop app using Electron (http://electron.atom.io). Electron is essentially a tool that allows you to bundle the core part of Chromium with your app, so that it runs in a full window without any URL bar/other browser controls. I’ve seen several apps built with it and I think it’s a pretty good solution for cross-platform development; it even allows things like access to the local filesystem, integration with dock/notification and similar stuff that you can’t do from a web browser. I’d still like to do a Qt version as well a little further down the track - this is likely to provide a truer native experience, as well as illustrating a use of the Corinthia libraries, but I think Electron offers us the fastest path towards a deliverable that people can start using.