bringing chap/pub from v5 to v8

[Chiara Penna]

We have been working in version 5 for a long time now, but we find the
more we want to rely on computers for page layout the more Ventura
dissappoints. So we have decided to try different versions ( 7 & 8 ) and
discover we have another set of problems.
When bringing in a file created in v5 into v8, why doesn't the newer
version open it exactly as is? Why are there tag changes...and so on?
I would really appreciated an answer to this. It would help me greatly.
Thank you.

[Eric Weber [C_TECH]]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:53:01 -0400, Chiara Penna <cpe...@lawdiary.com> wrote:

>When bringing in a file created in v5 into v8, why doesn't the newer
>version open it exactly as is? Why are there tag changes...and so on?

The easy answer is because they are entirely different programs that happen to
share the same name. V5 was based on the old GEM code. V7 was rewritten from the
ground up as a 32-bit app for Windows -- it is essentially a new program that
does most of the same things that previous versions did (and a lot more).

Some things were changed in V7/V8 to remove previous limitations, so not
everything translates directly from V5 and before. That is why they are changed
upon import. In addition, there are a few glitches in the translation of complex
publications. Thus, your best bet is to simplify the publication as much as
possible in V5 before importing. Remove extraneous tags, remove extraneous
graphics or exceedigly complex elements, set all test to ASCII, etc.

One other thing, I would stick to V8 and make sure that you have the latest
version (8.559). It is much more stable than V7.

Hope this helps.

-- Eric
[C_TECH Volunteer]

[Chiara Penna]

Hi,
Thanks so much for your answer. I have checked the versions that I have and the
latest V8 I have is the base V8. Can I get the patches or later version from Corel's
website???
Also, I have another problem that we have been experiencing when bringing pubs from
Ventura 5 to Ventura 8 - stylesheets. It seems that V8 uses one stylesheet per
publication. We have publications in V5 that have chapters with specific style
sheets, and each style sheet has anywhere from 10-90 tags, I know it sounds like a
lot, but the way our books are printed and styled the different tags are needed. Now
when we try to bring these publications into V8, we find that we have a too large of
a number of tags and everything gets too confusing. Our solution for the moment is
to use V8 for about 10% of the book material that gets printed and V5 for the rest.
We can work with this for now, but eventually we are looking to go from PC to press
and these little glitches need to be fixed. So the question is Why does V8 only have
one stylesheet per publication? Is there some kind of way of getting around this for
our needs???
Replies are greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chiara
cpe...@lawdiary.com

[Alex Gray [C_Tech]]

Chiara Penna <cpe...@lawdiary.com> wrote in message

> We can work with this for now, but eventually we are looking to go from PC
to press
> and these little glitches need to be fixed. So the question is Why does V8
only have
> one stylesheet per publication? Is there some kind of way of getting
around this for
> our needs???

This was one of the most hotly debated changes when Corel decided to shift
to the publication as the main unit of file handling rather than the chapter
level, and attached the stylesheet at the publication level (meaning, as
there is only one publication, there could now be only one stylesheet).

It took a bit of getting used to the idea, but I have to say after a few
years, I wonder what we were worried about - it seems quite natural now. Of
course, many of us avoided having more than two or three stylesheets used in
one publication anyway.

To handle the transition, you can, if you wish, continue working much as you
did when it comes to old documents. The import routine in V8 gives you the
option of controlling how stylesheets will be merged. One option is to have
all the corresponding named tags from each original chapter stylesheet
preserved but renamed in the new stylesheet by means of prefixing or
suffixing them with the name of the originating chapter. (You can also have
them lettered or numbered sequentially).

This means that you will get multiple sets of tags in the stylesheet, each
bearing the name of a given chapter as well, and the tags in the respective
chapters will be renamed to match, so you still have separate sets of tags
for each chapter, even though they have been bundled into one (much larger)
stylesheet.

In practice you are likely to find that you can rationalize 80% of the tags
in a publication and use the same tags throughout for most purposes. This
has great benefits in ease of maintenance and consistency between chapters.

Alex Gray [C_Tech]
Corel User
www.coreluser.com

[Eric Weber [C_TECH]]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:03:12 -0400, Chiara Penna <cpe...@lawdiary.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>Thanks so much for your answer. I have checked the versions that I have and the
>latest V8 I have is the base V8. Can I get the patches or later version from Corel's
>website???

Alex handled part 2 very nicely, so I'll catch this one.

The SP2 patch will update you to V8.559 (you don't need SP1). You can download
the patch:

English: CV8SP2EN.EXE (5.0MB)
German: CV8SP2DE.EXE (4.6MB)

from Corel's FTP site (ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/VENTURA/Ventura8/) or Corel's web
site (http://www.corel.com/support/ftpsite/pub/ventura/ventura8/index.htm).

The German patch is also available frrom:
ftp.corel.ie/pub/ventura/ventura8/german

-- Eric
[C_TECH Volunteer]