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Darrel Eppler

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Oct 1, 2004, 6:55:44 PM10/1/04
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I am running Windows XP and MS Office 2003, so I have Unicode-based
OpenType fonts from WinXP and Office 2003.

In VP8, the font drop-down lists multiple "pseudo fonts" for Arial:
Arial Baltic, CE, CYR, Greek, and TUR. The same is true for Courier New
and Times New Roman. However, there are not similar "psuedo fonts" for
other Unicode OpenType fonts such as Book Antiqua, Centura Schoolbook,
Georgia, Verdana, etc. Also, the font drop-down in VP10 does not list
these "psuedo fonts."

Selecting the different "psuedo fonts" provides access to different
characters in the upper half of the font (codepoints 128-255). I'm
guessing the "psuedo fonts" are related to the code pages covering the
ranges of Unicode for these alphabets. However, I have a couple of
questions about this:

1. Why are "psuedo fonts" listed for Arial, Courier New and Times New
Roman, but not for other Unicode OpenType fonts?

2. Why do "psuedo fonts" not show up in the font drop-down in VP10?

--Darrel Eppler

Gabor Deak Jahn

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Oct 2, 2004, 5:04:33 AM10/2/04
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:55:44 -0500, Darrel Eppler
<darrel...@sNiOlS.PoArMg> wrote:

Darrel,

> 1. Why are "psuedo fonts" listed for Arial, Courier New and Times New
> Roman, but not for other Unicode OpenType fonts?

These fonts only appear if they are specified in the registry
(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes). Only the ones you mention appear
there by default.

> 2. Why do "psuedo fonts" not show up in the font drop-down in VP10?

Because VP10 was modified not to do so. Whether this was intended or
not, I can't tell but there is an alternative. On my site
(www.tramontana.co.hu/ventura, Free Utilities at the end of the side
menu) you can find a small utility that will create these fonts again
for you, this time not as virtual fonts but real fonts, actually
remapping the characters inside. As those will be standalone fonts,
they will appear in VP10 and can be used normally.

Bye,
Gabor

Gabor DEAK JAHN
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Doug C

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Oct 3, 2004, 5:39:46 PM10/3/04
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"Gabor Deak Jahn" <d...@tramontana.co.hu> wrote in message
news:415e6e1...@cnews.corel.ca...

>
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:55:44 -0500, Darrel Eppler
> <darrel...@sNiOlS.PoArMg> wrote:
>
>
>> 2. Why do "psuedo fonts" not show up in the font drop-down in VP10?
>
> Because VP10 was modified not to do so. Whether this was intended or
> not, I can't tell but there is an alternative. On my site
> (www.tramontana.co.hu/ventura, Free Utilities at the end of the side
> menu) you can find a small utility that will create these fonts again
> for you, this time not as virtual fonts but real fonts, actually
> remapping the characters inside. As those will be standalone fonts,
> they will appear in VP10 and can be used normally.
>
> Bye,
> Gabor
>
OTOH, if Corel had had the foresight (well, more the backsight given what
everyone else was doing) to incorporate Unicode into Ventura (and WP), then
we wouldn't have to faff about like this. It's the main reason I only use
Ventura occasionally now, and do most things in Indy. But I still would like
a version of Ventura that gives me a real choice of what to purchase.

--
Doug
--
brain under construction

Gabor Deak Jahn

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Oct 4, 2004, 6:07:21 AM10/4/04
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On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:39:46 +0100, "Doug C"
<do...@removethisbit.dougnet.co.uk> wrote:

Doug,

> OTOH, if Corel had had the foresight (well, more the backsight given what
> everyone else was doing) to incorporate Unicode into Ventura (and WP),

Word Perfect and Corel Draw already speak Unicode, it's only Ventura
that is lagging behind.

Darrel Eppler

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Oct 4, 2004, 5:35:18 PM10/4/04
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Thanks, Gabor. I thought you would probably have the answer!

--Darrel


Darrel Eppler

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Oct 4, 2004, 5:35:57 PM10/4/04
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And let us hope it doesn't lag behind much longer!

--Darrel


Darrel Eppler

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Oct 5, 2004, 12:18:26 PM10/5/04
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Gabor Deak Jahn wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:55:44 -0500, Darrel Eppler
> <darrel...@sNiOlS.PoArMg> wrote:
>
> Darrel,
>

>>2. Why do "psuedo fonts" not show up in the font drop-down in VP10?
>
>
> Because VP10 was modified not to do so. Whether this was intended or
> not, I can't tell but there is an alternative. On my site
> (www.tramontana.co.hu/ventura, Free Utilities at the end of the side
> menu) you can find a small utility that will create these fonts again
> for you, this time not as virtual fonts but real fonts, actually
> remapping the characters inside. As those will be standalone fonts,
> they will appear in VP10 and can be used normally.
>
> Bye,
> Gabor


Does chcmap.exe understand the OpenType tables in the font, so it won't
destroy the "smart rendering" info in them?

--Darrel

Gabor Deak Jahn

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Oct 5, 2004, 3:39:14 PM10/5/04
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:18:26 -0500, Darrel Eppler
<darrel...@sNiOlS.PoArMg> wrote:

Darrel,

> Does chcmap.exe understand the OpenType tables in the font, so it won't

> destroy the "smart rendering" info in them?

All it modifies is the CMAP table, the mapping between the character
codes and glyphs. Everything else is left unchanged.

Dominic Hurley

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Oct 5, 2004, 8:21:35 PM10/5/04
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> Everything else is left unchanged.

Not that it really matters, but the original version apparently lost some
signature (I forget exactly what), which caused TT OTFs to use the TTF icon
instead of the OT icon after they'd been through it. Or something like that.
But it's never caused me any problems..

Darrel Eppler

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Oct 6, 2004, 5:46:00 PM10/6/04
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Gabor,

When creating, say, a "Baltic" font using chcmap, what codepage bits are
set in the resultant font? That is, what codepage(s) does the font claim
to support?

--Darrel

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