Oh dear ... is this blasphemy? ... but, but, but ... I really LIKE IT!
Allan Shearer
OK, I admit it. I actually LIKE the look of a Macintosh. I think the OS is
really well designed, and, well, uhh ... it's, uhh, it's "pretty!"
So ... do you think this is what an OS X version of Ventura 10 would look
like?
www.shearer.ca/Ventura/Mac_VP.jpg
Hey, if ANYthing ... at least it can ease Mac folks towards Ventura ... by
allowing the entire UI to act like a Mac application (or VERY close,
anyway).
I know I'm gonna cause a lot of groans here ... but, I thought I'd share
this with you just the same. I'm "livin' on the edge!"
Can you imagine, though ... walking into a boardroom full of Mac people ...
and showing them this NEW publishing tool for the Mac!? Wait and see how
long it takes them (oh sure, likely not long) ... and then tell 'em, "Sorry,
it's only available on the PC." Ah HA! You thought you were LOOKIN' at a
Mac, eh?! heh heh heh.
There, that's my rant for the night. And here I'm going to be offline for a
few days, so I won't even be around to get BEAT UP for this little stunt.
Enjoy ... and if you say anything nasty, make sure you delete it before I
get back! HA!
L8r
Allan (closet Mac wanna-be) Shearer
Abe Hendin
Allan Shearer wrote:
> OK, I admit it. I actually LIKE the look of a Macintosh. I think the OS is
> really well designed, and, well, uhh ... it's, uhh, it's "pretty!"
Don't fall for the "PC folks who are anti-Mac" and the "Mac folks who
are anti-PC" gambit, Allan. Apple's done amazing things with the OS X
UI, it's quite nice, and Windows, well, let's just say that Bill Gates
doesn't appear to have much in the way of aesthetic sensibilities. It's
getting better, but...
I've been using and supporting both Macs and PCs for a decade. It's hard
for me to say which is "better" at this point, I have my quibbles with
both, but there is no question that Apple's engineering is way prettier.
Got a load of the new iMac G5, yet?
--
Abe Hendin
AtYourSpeed Consulting
http://yourspeed.com
Ventura scripts: http://yourspeed.com/vscripts.html
Ventura automation help: http://yourspeed.com/vscripthelp.html
Darrell Judd
"Allan Shearer" <allanATsh...@cnews1.corel.dmz> wrote in message
news:419d7214$1_1@cnews...
>
> OK, I admit it. I actually LIKE the look of a Macintosh. I think the OS
is
> really well designed, and, well, uhh ... it's, uhh, it's "pretty!"
>
Allan:
Yes it is blasphemy. But, on the other hand if there ever was a patron saint
of lost causes it must be Steve Jobs who spent 10 years jousting at
windmills with NeXT and NeXTSTEP, then recycles the NeXT OS into MAC OSX and
goes from 50,000 users to 20,000,000 users.
If only we could recycle Ventura as Microsoft Word.
Darrell
Gabor Deak Jahn
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:36:23 -0500, "Allan Shearer"
<allanATsh...@cnews1.corel.dmz> wrote:
Allan,
> OK, I admit it. I actually LIKE the look of a Macintosh. I think the OS is
> really well designed, and, well, uhh ... it's, uhh, it's "pretty!"
You can theme an XP to look like anything, including Mac OS, if you
like it. With that, I could create a more Mac-like Ventura for you,
with scrollbars, buttons, dialogs and stuff really looking like Mac
OS.
Bye,
Gabor
Gabor DEAK JAHN
Hungarian CVP Forum
www.tramontana.co.hu/ventura
(English entries at the bottom of the side menu)
* Act against TCPA before it's too late!
* http://www.againsttcpa.com/
Bob van Duuren
> If only we could recycle Ventura as Microsoft Word.
Actually, that is what I advised Corel about 3-4 years ago: recycle Ventura
as WordPerfect ;-)
B.
--
Bob van Duuren
-----------------------------------------------------------
Van Duuren Media Informaticaboeken
http://www.vanduurenmedia.nl
"Darrell Judd" <dbj...@verizon.net> schreef in bericht
news:419e437c$1_3@cnews...
Jim Hart
In article <419e7baf$1_3@cnews>, postm...@inventiv-edu.nl.xx says...
> Actually, that is what I advised Corel about 3-4 years ago: recycle Ventura
> as WordPerfect ;-)
>
I think they misunderstood and tried to do it the other way around.
--
Jim Hart
www.microtecniqs.com
Ventura FAQ available at:
http://www.draw.nu/venturafaq/
Bob van Duuren
Yeah, you're too right :-(
B.
--
Bob van Duuren
-----------------------------------------------------------
Van Duuren Media Informaticaboeken
http://www.vanduurenmedia.nl
"Jim Hart" <ct...@microtecniqs.com> schreef in bericht
news:MPG.1c085759a...@cnews.corel.com...
Mac Townsend
Look at how long it has taken InDesign and Quark still dominates.
I doubt Corel sold enough mac versions to pay the development cost let
along manufacturing and packaging and distribution and marketing
Allan Shearer
.... actually, I might NEED you to do that (create a skin for v10) cuz it
doesn't like being 'skinned'! Well ... who does!?
Seriously, though ... while I can't say I've experienced any 'problems' so
far, I can indeed confirm that Ventura 8 (eight!!) accepts 'skins' much
better than Ventura 10. v10 doesn't adopt the new scroll bars ... amongst
other things. Both versions don't display the 'ticks' on the ruler properly
when skinned and THAT I'm going to have to worry about. But it irks me that
a version newer than 8 is actually 'less' compliant to this new 'theme'
stuff.
OK, that might then raise the question, "does this make it 'non-compliant'
in anyway?" Whether or not one thinks of 'skins' or themes as mere 'fun'
and non-essential to getting any real WORK done, I must pose the question,
"was this not a pre-requisite for WinXP compliant applications?" heh .....
even v8 does it! Go figure.
I wonder if there's a single DLL somewhere that if replaced/renamed
(safely!?) it would make it more adaptable like v8.
Oh well ... I'll live with it. :)
Allan
"Gabor Deak Jahn" <d...@tramontana.co.hu> wrote in message
news:419e6428...@cnews.corel.ca...
Gabor Deak Jahn
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:24:27 -0500, "Allan Shearer"
<allanATsh...@cnews1.corel.dmz> wrote:
Allan,
the problem is that Corel applications craft their own user interface
(this is part of the equation with all that customization jazz). I had
lots of problems with that on W2k because I ran it at 1600x1200 with a
large system font. Dialogs were badly sized, control texts were
clipped and I had to resort to serious registry hacking to make it
usable. XP is much better in forcing ill-behaving applications to
cooperate, most of those accept the screen DPI settings without
serious problems.
But this might also depend on how you re-skin your XP. I have no
experience with Style XP and other applications that create a running
layer on top of the UI to translate things. I prefer the original way,
creating alternative .msstyles files that run just the way the
original Classic and XP styles run, deep inside the operating system.
With these, I find quite the opposite.
In VP10, only the spin controls, toolbars and the status bar remain in
the original, non-themed look. Tabbed dialogs, buttons, everything
else inherits the modified skin. In VP8, many other elements are
partly overwritten by Corel's own UI code, including buttons,
checkboxes and similar.
So, as far as I can see, Ventura did become more but not fully
compliant.
Allan Shearer
newspaper companies to allow authors, editors and layout departments to work
on the same files at the same time in different 'modes' (and I'm sure, I'm
not even beginning to understand the whole aspect/use of QPS - if at all!)
..... I don't think it'll take long before InDesign gobbles-up a TON of
Quark's market-share. Perhaps Adobe is right now developing an answer for
QPS! APS! APES!? "Planet of the....."
I've just been bouncing thougths off a good friend who's using an in-house
designed publishing system (sorry, not available to the public - called
MEPS) who himself is observing that Quark has GOT to do something fast and
it actually seems as if they (Quark) are somewhat worried about the speed at
which InDesign is 'catching up'. Well, he doesn't have to worry in his
office ... but any Quark users should pay attention, and at the same time,
Adobe should be careful not to lose steam ... else, they'll lose site of
their goal of being that 'Quark Qiller".
Where does that put us Ventura users? Tough to answer that. I sure like my
newly skinned interface, though. Did I show you this? Here ... watch what
happens when I do this...... {voice gets quieter as Allan blindly and
indifferently gets back to work as if the future had even the slightest
glimmer of hope}........ {click! ... door shuts at stage left}
Allan
"Mac Townsend" <mac...@spamadcomgraphics.com> wrote in message
news:41a1e195_1@cnews...