URLs introduce about Painting in Photo-Paint for non-artists ?
Michael Lee
Could you please suggest some Webpages/Websites introduce about Painting
in Photo-Paint for dummy non-artists ? Prefer: Step-by-step, colorful.
Sincerely,
Michael Lee
David Mutch
There are quite a few good ones about:
- A good first stop is the articles section at www.designer.com,
specifically - http://www.designer.com/focus/articles.htm
- The Photo-Paint section at the About Graphics Software site is also
very good at http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/photopaint/
- Then there's Foster D. Coburn's always growing, great Unleashed site
at http://www.unleash.com/
- as well as Chris Book's copious Photo-Paint tuts site at
http://www.siuya.freeserve.co.uk/,
- and Jim Cornier's Draw and Paint tutorials at
http://www.squareonegraphics.com/tutorials.html . Jim has also collected
a great list of related links at http://www.squareonegraphics.com/links.html
- and Debbie Cook's professionally presented tuts for versions 8 and 9
at Cutting Edge FX - http://www.cedesign.com/cefx/articles.html
- and Kiat's Corel by Example PP tutorials at
http://www.geocities.com/corelbyexamples/tutorials.htm
- and Corel P-P tuts along with others at The Internet Eye -
http://the-internet-eye.com/HOWTO/default.htm
- plus tuts for P-P and other graphics apps at Laurie McCanna's site at
http://www.mccannas.com/pshop/menu.htm
Finally, if your thirst still needs quenching you can visit my own site
at http://visionary-voyager.com.au/corel/photopaint/
There are still a number of others out there (apologies for any I
missed) but the Internet is a constantly changing sea of wonders and I
haven't updated my list of links as often as I should have, sorry.
Now that lot should keep you busy for a while ;-)
Enjoy!
- David Mutch
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Michael Lee
Look like you are Photo-Paint Google ;-)
Now go to my question. May be I stated my question not clearly enough.
Let me restate my question.
Photo-Paint can do:
1) Photo editing, retouching
2) Painting
I want some Websites/Webpages which tutor part (2) above: Painting in
Photo-Paint, like Watercolor Painting,
Oil Painting, Color Pencil Sketch. The final should be something like
Yves Lanthier's Paintings:
http://www.designer.com/focus/profiles_yl_1.htm
If you open Chapter "Paint Images", page 99-104, "Corel Photo-Paint 10
User Manual", you will know what I am asking about.
(104-99) + 1 = 6 pages, too short !!!
You are a guru, so you don't need "Corel PHOTO-PAINT 10: The Official
Guide", by David Huss:
This book did wonderful teach:
"Learn how to:
Use natural media brushes to create the effect of painting on paper,
canvas, or other textured surfaces
Part IV. Painting with PHOTO-PAINT 10.
9. Filling with Color or Patterns.
10. Corel TEXTURE and Corel KnockOut.
11. Finding the Right Color.
12. Exploring Corel PHOTO-PAINT's Brush Tools. "
but sadly (for me) "Corel PHOTO-PAINT 10: The Official Guide" print on
gray-scale, and do not give step-by-step exercises about Painting in
Photo-paint like Lesson 4 "Painting and Editing" of "Photoshop
Classroom in a Book". (In this case, I need only the Painting part, not
the Editing part of the lesson).
If any links which tutor about Photo-Paint's Effects > Art Strokes will
also help (like page 452-455, "Corel CorelDRAW 10: The Official Guide",
by Steve Bain, Anthony Celeste, Michael Cervantes, Nick Wilkinson).
Back to your links, before you post your links, I did visit more than
half of them. Unluckily after scanning, I did not find what I want:
Painting in Photo-paint (like Watercolor Painting, Oil Painting, Color
Pencil Sketch). May be I should scan these links once again.
I know you are very busy, but can you narrow down to show me your
Webpages which tutor about Painting in Photo-paint (like Watercolor
Painting, Oil Painting, Color Pencil Sketch).
I have a hard job: a non-artist tutor some PhotoPaint-dummy artists
about Painting in Photo-paint :-)
Bye now,
Michael Lee
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David Mutch
and thanks for the quite clear and detailed information behind your request.
Unfortunately I know of no web sites that currently exist that step
through the processes involved in Painting in Photo-Paint. This is
rather unfortunate as it belies the name of the product, and it is true
also that other products (such as the marvellous Painter, now in the
Corel stable) probably perform this particular aspect of bitmap editing
much better.
I have intended for quite some time now to write a tutorial about using
brushes and nibs in Photo-paint and have already collected many ideas
and bits and pieces for it, but sadly, time seems to be growing shorter
each day and the story board behind this one growing larger at the same
rate. There is much involved, even just in the basic explanations of how
to use, create, and modify Photo-Paint's huge selection of brush tools,
never mind actually doing something constructive with them. Then there
are the aspects of using brushes in combinations and with merge modes
etc., which increases their power enormously.
One day I will get around to completing it but not in the near
foreseeable future, sorry to all.
- David Mutch
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Michael Lee
> If any links which tutor about Photo-Paint's Effects > Art Strokes will
> also help (like page 452-455, "Corel CorelDRAW 10: The Official Guide",
> by Steve Bain, Anthony Celeste, Michael Cervantes, Nick Wilkinson).
Please change to:
If any links which tutor about Photo-Paint's Effects > Art Strokes will
also help, like:
-- page 452-455, "Corel PHOTO-PAINT 10: The Official Guide", by David Huss
-- page 618-622 "Corel CorelDRAW 10: The Official Guide", by Anthony
Celeste (the authors of the whole book are Steve Bain, Anthony Celeste,
Michael Cervantes, Nick Wilkinson).
Sorry for the sleepy typo ;-)
Michael Lee
Michael Lee
> Hi Michael.
> and thanks for the quite clear and detailed information behind your
> request.
>
> Unfortunately I know of no web sites that currently exist that step
> through the processes involved in Painting in Photo-Paint. This is
> rather unfortunate as it belies the name of the product, and it is true
also that other products (such as the marvellous Painter, now in the
> Corel stable) probably perform this particular aspect of bitmap editing
> much better.
Although never try Painter b4, I did read many reviews praise Painter.
But hosnestly, I hate UI (user interface) of too-Mac products (hey, any
Mac fans here ;-) )
> I have intended for quite some time now to write a tutorial about using
> brushes and nibs in Photo-paint and have already collected many ideas
> and bits and pieces for it, but sadly, time seems to be growing shorter
> each day and the story board behind this one growing larger at the same
> rate.
Yeah, life is short
> There is much involved, even just in the basic explanations of how
> to use, create, and modify Photo-Paint's huge selection of brush tools,
> never mind actually doing something constructive with them. Then there
> are the aspects of using brushes in combinations and with merge modes
> etc., which increases their power enormously.
Can you write some short exercises ? I think many persons already have
"Corel PHOTO-PAINT 10: The Official Guide", now they want some colorful
exercises to practice . After your wrote these exercises, may be some
publisher will try to reach you, make some offers :-)
> One day I will get around to completing it but not in the near
> foreseeable future, sorry to all.
1 month not 1 year please ;-)
> - David Mutch
Michael Lee
Foster D. Coburn III
I'll inject a little bit of reality into this discussion. There are not a
huge number of Photo-Paint users. Barely enough to justify a book on the
subject and the one book on the subject struggles to earn enough money for
the author and publisher. Now consider that the vast majority of Photo-Paint
users are NOT using it for painting. Yes, I know there are some of you out
there. It isn't because they don't know how, it is because they don't have
the talent. And most folks with the talent to paint will turn to Painter.
What I'm trying to say is there is no monetary reason for an
author/publisher to create materials on the subject.
I know this frustrates you and others. Many feel that information on the Web
should be free. The reality is that someone works to put the information
there. Authors have to write it, editors have to edit it and publishers have
to publish it. Who pays those costs? At one point, advertisers did. But they
don't come close to covering the costs any more.
Now to more directly answer your question, I do know of one tutorial on our
site by Ruth Huking that discusses painting in Photo-Paint. You can find
reference to it at http://www.unleash.com/ruth/
I'm not trying to pick on you, just trying to let everyone know the
realities of things.
--
Foster D. Coburn III
Unleashed Productions, Inc.
http://www.unleash.com -- The Ultimate Resource for the Graphics User
Tips & Tricks, Training Classes, Books, Videos and much more
cliff
already have
> "Corel PHOTO-PAINT 10: The Official Guide", now they want
some colorful
> exercises to practice . After your wrote these exercises,
may be some
> publisher will try to reach you, make some offers :-)
>
Hi Michael,
I would like to emphasize that there is no difference in
wanting to 'paint' in a program like PhotoPaint and painting
with traditional media. I would also like to emphasize that
there is every difference between the two.
What I mean is, you need a good understanding of color,
composition, the ability to 'sketch' ideas, and, the right
tools for each. But, when using a computer, it is even more
essential to master the appropriate tools *before* doing
anything artistic. Because with digital artistry you are
*emulating* the process. And emulating requires a few
additional hoop tricks unnecessary when doing traditional
(e.g. creating the 'tooth' of watercolor paper via a texture
fill then manipulating the brush settings; creating an
appropriate nib; understanding the exchange of the color
chosen and the paint mode when highlight and shadow of the
paper's texture interact).
This pulls the end-user - who wishes to be 'artistic' by
making good use of the brushes - two directions : one is
toward the traditional and the other toward the digital.
With regard to the traditional, a good understanding of two
basic entities will take you far when using digital brushes
: the thing you use and is in your hand and the thing you
press it upon to create the image. A simplistic example is :
pencil to paper. But there is nothing simple about it when
thinking in these terms, digitally.
Have you had a chance to look at the Brush Settings docker?
Have you created an 'earthtone' palette based on the 3D
Additive color model? It is a small thing to ask those
questions but no small thing to ask the end-user to do it.
Likewise, it would be not a big deal to have an author walk
you through building a brush, creating a palette, then ask
you to place a stroke south of the #1, north of the #2 and
southeast of the #3 of the screenshot he made available; but
what has happened? Not much.
Do you know how difficult it is for an author to delineate
steps via a web document that would get an end-user 'up and
running' with how to paint in PhotoPaint? That is no small
thing; I dare venture to state it is an impossibility.
My point can be maintained by picking up any magazine that
caters to the world of art and/or photography : it is an
artist writing to artists (struggling or otherwise). Certain
assumptions have to be made when writing to others about the
act of creating a piece of art. Otherwise, the author would
spend all his time spinning his wheels trying to ensure that
his words are not going to lose anyone so as to set out on
this adventure to detail every aspect in such a way that any
person can follow the steps (which is by definition,
procedural) in order to generate that which is artistic
(which is by definition...well...there is no definition;
unless your have to go to court over it).
(Alright...exactly what *does* that last paragraph say??)
My advice in the end, is this : play tennis in order to play
better racquetball.
Cliff
Michael Lee
May be you did not see my previous-post sentence:
"I have a hard job: a non-artist tutor some PhotoPaint-dummy artists
about Painting in Photo-paint"
Let me state clearer: These tradional artists just PhotoPaint-dummies
(and also Painter-dummies) .
About your "impossibility", do you think that someone do not know
Japanese help others to type Japanese in CorelDraw 10 (the others did
successfuly type Japanese in CorelDraw 9 and earlier versions)? Yes or
No ;-) (Hint: Look at Foster's link)
Bye now,
Michael Lee
Michael Lee
> Michael,
>
> I'll inject a little bit of reality into this discussion. There are not a
> huge number of Photo-Paint users. Barely enough to justify a book on the
> subject and the one book on the subject struggles to earn enough money for
> the author and publisher. Now consider that the vast majority of Photo-Paint
> users are NOT using it for painting. Yes, I know there are some of you out
> there.
I think there is a catch 22. In other to stop this catch-22, you should
someone like Bill out of newsgroups: He is whining a lot (j/k)
> It isn't because they don't know how, it is because they don't have the talent.
> And most folks with the talent to paint will turn to Painter.
Some old argument: "Photoshop for the pros, Photo-Paint for the
dummies", I do not buy this
> What I'm trying to say is there is no monetary reason for an
> author/publisher to create materials on the subject.
Do you remember: "razor and blade"
> I know this frustrates you and others. Many feel that information on the Web
> should be free. The reality is that someone works to put the information
> there. Authors have to write it, editors have to edit it and publishers have
> to publish it. Who pays those costs? At one point, advertisers did. But they
> don't come close to covering the costs any more.
Many free-artistry Webpages for self advertized. Like someone dream to
win the Oscar not because the Oscar prize itself, but Oscar brings name
recognition, then name recognition brings money later. (Note: I know
someones dream to become movie star not become money, but because they
are so ... beautiful ;-) )
> Now to more directly answer your question, I do know of one tutorial on our
> site by Ruth Huking that discusses painting in Photo-Paint. You can find
> reference to it at http://www.unleash.com/ruth/
Hey, this is the first time I luckily got what I want in *Corel*
newsgroups & forums. This time I can happily say: "Thank you". (I have
a bad habit: I can not say thank you to someone fail to help. Too
bad, ehh ;-) )
Most of http://www.unleash.com/ruth/ deal with CorelDraw (well you can
say CorelDraw and Photo-Paint are the same), but:
1) There is an OK page, like "Photo-Paint Wow" (never published b4 ;-)):
http://www.unleash.com/ruth/pitcher/
(just Okie because it "already in" the "The CorelDraw Photo-Paint 10:
The Official Guy)
2) There is a Webpage that exactly what I want:
http://www.unleash.com/ruth/draw2paint/
> I'm not trying to pick on you, just trying to let everyone know the
> realities of things.
Catch-22
By the way: I think nobody cheaps when try to learn Professional
programs (how can you cheap for yourself ?), just because he/she
unluckily find out what fits he/she taste. The prove is Amazon.com sell
well both Mac softs & docs .
> --
> Foster D. Coburn III
> Unleashed Productions, Inc.
> http://www.unleash.com -- The Ultimate Resource for the Graphics User
> Tips & Tricks, Training Classes, Books, Videos and much more
Once again thanks Foster, IOY this time
Michael Lee
Bill Whelan
> I think there is a catch 22. In other to stop this catch-22, you should
> someone like Bill out of newsgroups: He is whining a lot (j/k)
Why are you putting Bill Gates down all the time!? <g>
Hi Michael,
It is nice to be able to express your opinions here in these Corel
newsgroups. As far as painting with brushes is concerned, well
it's not for me. Although with my knowledge of the Alchemy tool,
I have been able to fool the best into thinking I am brush artist.
Bill (Photo-Paint 9) Whelan
--
Free "NEW" Photo-Paint 9
FX script -
Bill's Script Shop
http://www.unleash.com/billw/gallery.html
http://www.unleash.com/billw/
cliff
> "I have a hard job: a non-artist tutor some
PhotoPaint-dummy artists
> about Painting in Photo-paint"
>
> Let me state clearer: These tradional artists just
PhotoPaint-dummies
> (and also Painter-dummies) .
I honestly don't know what this means. It sounds as though
you are saying that traditional artists are stupid when it
comes to using PhotoPaint/Painter. Is this true?
> About your "impossibility", do you think that someone do
not know
> Japanese help others to type Japanese in CorelDraw 10 (the
others did
> successfuly type Japanese in CorelDraw 9 and earlier
versions)? Yes or
> No ;-) (Hint: Look at Foster's link)
I don't think I was very successful in making my point.
Helping others with procedural matters is reasonably easy to
do online.
There is a huge difference between using an IME over against
teaching the art of Sumi.
Personally, I can teach you how to type Hebrew in about 20
minutes (and you will never be asked to understand the
language). Teaching you how to write it in Assyrian block
(sans vowel pointing and cantillation marks) and/or Israeli
script would take a few days; teaching you to write either
style with the proper stylus on reed parchment would take
longer still. And then comes the practice. If I took on the
challenge to relegate all that to online teaching, the
amount of preparation and testing to ensure good learning
would be tremendous (I think I am safe to assume this is the
type of pressure David was feeling when speaking of
'wanting' to write about the act of painting in PhotoPaint
and it taking on a life of its own).
Now, more to the point. You have asked for written help
(available URIs) on the subject of painting in PhotoPaint
according to the example you gave of the very nice bridge
and table arrangement at Designer.com
(http://www.designer.com/focus/profiles_yl_1.htm).
In reply, I am saying that traditional art media will teach
you how to accomplish this. But the additional incumbency
comes in having to master the digital program to adequately
carry over the act of doing such art.
Cliff
Michael Lee
> Hi Michael,
>
>
>>"I have a hard job: a non-artist tutor some
>>
> PhotoPaint-dummy artists
>
>>about Painting in Photo-paint"
>>
>>Let me state clearer: These tradional artists just
>>
> PhotoPaint-dummies
>
>>(and also Painter-dummies) .
>>
> I honestly don't know what this means. It sounds as though
> you are saying that traditional artists are stupid when it
> comes to using PhotoPaint/Painter. Is this true?
You misunderstood me, so go to far. Foster understood my needs, so he
did provided 1 link which have 1 webpage which I need (but hey, the more
the better ;-) ).
Okay, let me repharse more clearer. I'm not an artist, but know some
programming/network stuffs . Some tradional artist came to me, gave me
a photo of her master, asked me to retouch it. She liked the final, and
then told her friends about her master photo. After hearing about that,
now some tradional drawers & tradional painters ask me to help them in
learning Artistic Programs.
Clear enough now ?
Michael Lee
Michael Lee
> Michael Lee wrote:
>
>
>>I think there is a catch 22. In other to stop this catch-22, you should
>>someone like Bill out of newsgroups: He is whining a lot (j/k)
>>
>
> Why are you putting Bill Gates down all the time!? <g>
>
> Hi Michael,
> It is nice to be able to express your opinions here in these Corel
> newsgroups. As far as painting with brushes is concerned, well
> it's not for me. Although with my knowledge of the Alchemy tool,
> I have been able to fool the best into thinking I am brush artist.
How about: "B. W., an Alchemy expert" ;-)
> Bill (Photo-Paint 9) Whelan
Michael (Photo-Paint 10 sp2) Lee