Need basic info re: Painter Classic
LKW
Karen Sperling
The only software I'm familiar with of the ones you named is Expression. Expression draws vector brush strokes, Painter is a bit map program. The difference is, vector lines connect invisible dots along an invisible x,y axis, bitmap software lets you color pixels.
Painter Classic has a ton of brushes and paper textures to choose from. Although I'm not familiar with the other programs you mentioned, I am sure you will find many tools in Painter Classic not available elsewhere.
As for your second question, it sounds like you're used to working with vector software. The way to edit lines in Painter is to color the pixels differently, either with another brush or an eraser.
I'm curious, doesn't the version of Painter Classic that came with the Wacom tablet come with any manual at all, even an online one? If you looked through the manual you'd see the program's capabilities.
Happy Painting!
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Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
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Jinny Brown
Painter Classic introduces you to some of the full Painter version's
drawing and painting tools and other capabilities such as its Clone
painting and other Cloning features. It's an "appetizer" to get people
interested in the very powerful full Painter versions (now up to Painter
7) and it was based on the full Painter version 5.0. It doesn't begin to
offer the huge number of features that any full version offers, from
Painter 4 through 7 (Painter 4, 5, 5.5, 6, and 7).
Painter Classic offers the usual very basic tools to change what we draw
or paint, i.e. Eraser, Undo (up to a maximum of 32), Liquid Brush
Variants and Water Brush Variants that can be used to smear, distort,
blend, and add other effects to existing paint. When you paint with a
Water Color brush variant, the painting takes place on an invisible Wet
Layer that's associated with the Canvas and has to be dried before any
of the dry brush variants can be used on the Canvas. If you paint with a
Water Color brush variant over existing dry paint, the dry paint is left
undisturbed because the Water Color paint is on the invisible Wet Layer.
Using the Clone painting feature, you can make a Clone of any image or
photo (an exact copy), delete the image, turn on Tracing Paper to see a
50% opacity view of the original image, and use any of the many brush
variants set to Clone Color to create an entirely different effect. With
the Clone Colors box checked in the Art Materials:Color section, the
brush takes color information from the Clone Source (the original
image), though the paint will have various looks depending on which
brush variant was chosen. For instance, you can turn a photo into a
watercolor or oil painting. You can also use multiple Clone Source
images to paint into the Clone (destination image) to create an
interesting effect, a collage, or to place items into the painting that
were not in the original Clone Source image.
Unlike Painter 5, Painter Classic doesn't have Floaters (predecessor to
Layers) with the exception of a single Floater used to lift and move
part of an image from one location to another. As soon as you "let go of
it", the Floater immediately drops to the Canvas (Painter's term for
background) and the selection made to create the Floater leaves a blank
spot on the Canvas where the Floater was lifted. It's a pretty useless
relic from early Painter, back in the days, I believe, when no software
had Layers.
Painter 5.5 introduced, along with Floaters, Transparent Layers. With
Painter 6, Floaters and Transparent Layers were replaced with Layers. In
Painter 7, we have Layers, Water Color Layers, Liquid Ink Layers,
Dynamic Layers, and the Impasto Layer, all of which (except the Impasto
Layer) can be single or multiple.
Again, full versions of Painter, especially the recent versions Painter
6 and Painter 7 offer tremendous variety in their literally hundreds of
drawing and painting tools that come installed with the software,
hundreds more on the CDs, and the artist can create endless numbers of
custom brush variants and, in Painter 7 with the new .XML brush files,
can share them easily across platforms with other Painter users.
A few of the other full Painter version features:
Movies - allows us to create movie frames and QuickTime movies or
animated GIFs.
Mosaics - allows us to turn any image into a mosaic.
Dynamic Layers - Bevel World, Tear, Burn, Kaleidoscope, Image Slicer
(image maps for the Web), Liquid Metal, Liquid Lens,
Brightness/Contrast, Equalize, Posterize, and Glass Distortion.
Effects - Many including options for Tonal Control, Surface Control,
Focus, Esoterica, and the newer Wood Cut, Distress, and Serigraphy
Effect.
Dynamic Text Layer - allows us to color, size, set tracking and leading,
fill, place on a curve while in the dialog box. At any time, we can
double-click the Dynamic Text Layer to edit the text. Dynamic Text can
be converted to Shapes, then Selections and treated like any other
image.
Vector-based bezier Pen tool and other Shape tools, editable using the
various Shape editing tools - can be converted to a Selection (and a
Selection can be converted to a Shape). Shapes, like any vector object
can be resized and retain smooth edges.
If you want a marvelous and exciting, complex and extremely capable
drawing and painting software, I'd suggest that you buy a full version
of Painter, Painter 7 preferably, Painter 6 at the least. It's a program
people fall in love with and continue to love and learn more about for
years since it's a bottomless well of surprises and delights. Painter's
brush technology, registered tradmark is Natural Media, is unbeaten by
any other software in it's ability to simulate traditional media
watercolors, oils, chalk, crayon, pencils, pens, and use textures of all
kinds and varieties to make the painting appear to be on real canvas,
water color paper.. or any other surface you can dream up and create
yourself.
There's a PDF file named Pclassic.pdf on the Painter Classic CD. If you
take some time and read through it, you'll get a very good idea of what
Painter Classic's capabilities are.
If you'd like to see Painter "in action", please come visit us in the
Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions. The URL is below my signature.
You'll be most welcome to participate and ask as many questions as you
want. Also feel free to visit my website. It's almost completely devoted
to Painter and there are loads of tutorials in the Tutorials, Fun with
Brush Strokes, Character Matters, and Effects sections, and more in the
sections devoted to Painter 7. You'll see the PixelAlley Section Links
Page URL below my signature as well.
Happy Painting and Merry Christmas! :o)
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
http://www.pixelalley.com/Painter-Module1-Class1/painter-classes-links-page.html
PixelAlley Sections:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Visit us in the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Date:
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"LKW" <lovean...@worldnet.att.net>
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Jinny Brown
FYI: Painter Classic comes with a PDF file named Pclassic.pdf. It's
basically a User Guide and includes tutorials in many of the chapters.
I mention the following because a lot of people are completely unaware
that Painter has vector capability and it's an important and useful
feature:
As you know better than I do.. <g>, Painter has vector based bezier
curves too.. Pen tool and other Shape tools.. though it's basically a
raster program, and the Shapes end up as pixels when the image is
flattened and/or saved as a TIFF or JPG. (Straighten me out if I'm
wrong, please.)
Merry Christmas again, ;o)
Jinny
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Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:01:10 -0700
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painting program. It uses brushes to paint watercolor and other kinds of
strokes, and then, since it is vector based, the final image can be
rendered at ANY Size! In other words, even theough you may be painting
on a two inch square canvas, you can export the image to a bitmap that
would print as a three foot square image, with no loss of qiality.
Vecotors also allow for manipulating the shapes after they arfe painted;
not to mention the ability to select and deleat a shape you painted an
hour ago. There is a demo you can download from
In defense of Painter, I would have to say none of the Expression
brushes come anywhere near the "realism" of Painters; and Painter
offeres more effects, including animation. Expression is good for
postscript rips and for situation where you may nead to repurpose the
image.
Bacak in the day, both programs were sold by Fractal, although developed
separately.
william
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Karen Sperling
Oh well ;-)
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Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter Tutorial CD's make great stocking stuffers!
http://www.artistrymag.com
Jinny Brown
I don't think any of the programs you mentioned offer what Painter
Classic offers. They're not the same kind of programs, even.
In other words, you somehow missed what we were telling you. It
definitely does give you things you don't already have.
"If so what?"
Tell you what, LKW, if you don't have time to "wade" through a fairly
simple and short User Guide to find out what Painter Classic offers...
well I don't have time to wade through it for you.
Your answers are available without depending on us to do your work for
you. We're here to help people who have honest questions about things
they're not able to figure out alone. We frequently go that extra mile
just to be helpful and I did that for you already and so did others.
Apparently it was a huge waste of our time because you didn't have time
to "get" what we said.
Maybe you don't need any software at all since you don't have time to
deal with it anyway, eh?.
Come back when you really need some help.. after doing all you can on
your own...first.
We ain't yer servants, bud.
Merry Christmas! :o)
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
http://www.pixelalley.com/Painter-Module1-Class1/painter-classes-links-page.html
PixelAlley Sections:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Visit us in the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Re: Need basic info re: Painter Classic
Date:
Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:11:30 -0500
From:
"LKW" <lovean...@worldnet.att.net>
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LKW
just an honest question. I am truly sorry if I hurt your feelings. And in
my mind, I wasn't disregarding what you and the others had said.
You said, "I don't think any of the programs you mentioned offer what
Painter Classic offers. They're not the same kind of programs, even."
But when I asked about feedback re: these programs earlier in my first
email, neither you nor any of the others said anything about any of them (my
programs) by name except Expression 2, so I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that
you didn't know what they could do. Because of this, I made a quick
comparison after playing with Painter Classic a little (and I know my way
around graphics programs a bit), and came to the conclusion that it wasn't
DIFFERENT ENOUGH to warrant the time. (And just to let you know, basically
everything you mentioned that Painter Classic can do, the programs that I
already have can do also - although you're right - the strokes are nicer)
Please don't take this personally. I am currently learning Flash,
Dreamweaver, Photoshop Elements, Adobe Premiere and a few more, as well as
working on videos, web pages and graphics projects. I am just a little
overwhelmed and am doing my best to streamline my process and not be
redundant in my acquisition of skills and software. When I went on to this
forum, I was looking for some quick help in the midst of a wild pace.
And I'm sorry if I seemed to demean this program that you enjoy so much. As
I said in an earlier email - it seems like a great little program for the
price and that the full program sounds fabulous.
And I wasn't asking you to "wade" through the User Guide - I assumed that
you knew it quite well (which I can tell you do!) and could quickly access
the info I was looking for. I never assumed you were my "servants," but I
did assume that you were a leader on this forum because you enjoyed helping
people and your goal was to help them find answers that they didn't have.
And from my point of view, I guess I didn't feel like I was asking you to go
the "extra mile" for me - I spend a lot of time on forums and I ask and see
many others ask the kind of questions that I asked.
What I believe happened is that you read my haste to be arrogance or
laziness. What I said in my last email was, "I am so busy that I don't have
time to wade through them [the PDF files] in order to find out if this is a
program worth getting to know." This was perhaps not the best way I could
have said this. I didn't mean to imply that Painter Classic was not, in a
general sense, worth getting to know, but in the sense that that I have
mentioned in more detail in this present email - in the sense that I am
working hard to not overlap my efforts anymore than I have to.
As I said earlier, I am sorry for the misunderstanding, and I, too, hope you
have a very nice Christmas.
LKW
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grumpy feelings. I appreciate that and thank you.
To tell you the truth, I don't thing Painter Classic has enough
capability to spend much serious time on.. at least for someone who
would use it professionally, like you. If you already have it, then I'd
say squeeze all you can out of it.. there is some good stuff there. I
only have it on my system to answer questions for poor lost souls who
inherited it with their brand new Wacom tablets and don't have a clue
how to use it. Usually they end up buying "real" Painter so I guess the
Painter Classic appetizer did its job. You're using some pretty good
software and if I were in your shoes, if I bought anything, it would be
full Painter, not Painter Classic. Now that would be worth spending time
on!
You're right, I did percieve your request for help as just a bit
demanding and though I can see now that you're a nice guy and probably
had no intention of coming across that way... one of my own flaws is
that I have no patience with people who demand what others give out of
generosity.. sometimes at the expense of their own health. I'm afraid
that you came into the picture just after I'd run into two or three of
that ilk and my patience was used up.
How about we shake hands and start over (that's what the principle
always makes kids do when they get into a squabble on the playground).
;o)
Besides, it's Christmas and this should be a warm and loving time, eh?
Thanks again for taking time to write your thoughts.
I am slowed down. <g>
LKW
You are what we call in Georgia "a Peach." Thanks you for all your kind and
helpful info, and may God richly bless you this Christmas!
Lon Kenneth Waitman (aka LKW)
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