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painter 6.1 to apply a color set to a photo that will only use the color set
of say the old masters oil painters?
Can Painter take the colors in a photo and change them in this way to look
half decent?
Thanks everyone
Maria
Thelonious Hink
If you want to keep the smooth photographic transition you would inevitably
run into the problem of your photo posterising as it has to make a decision
when to change one colour to another.
However you can deliberately posterise the photo using your own colour set.
Then you can clone>delete then repaint the photo back with a painterly
effect.
Or do you wish to retain the look of a photograph?
Thelonious
Maria Silva
Thank you for your response.
I would like to have a painted effect (no need to have photo's exact colors)
with the color set mixing/bleeding, and using the old masters style/palette
only (ala rembrant,etc). I want something more refined then a normal
posterizing filter effect.
I really don't know how to do this if it is possible, are their any
tutorials or tips you know about doing something like this?
Thanks
Maria.
"Thelonious Hink" <thelo...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thelonious Hink
05/8/2001 8:15 PM:
Well, there are many ways to do this. But here is a link to one particular
way which is very simple. First you can make a palette with the colours that
you want then convert your photo to B/W then hand tint it from your palette
then follow the instructions.
http://talkgraphics.infopop.net/1/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=98519178&f=048197611&m=5
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Jinny Brown
I can't recall any automatic way of applying a color set to a photo, but
you can create your own color set then use it to paint and make look any
way you want.
A couple of methods come to mind:
1. Open the photo and in the File menu, choose Clone. With the Clone
active, Select/All (or Ctrl/Command+A) then Edit/Clear (or
Ctrl/Command+X). Click the Tracing Paper icon in the upper right corner
of the image window just above the Grid icon. You'll see a 50% opacity
view of the photo. Not pick a color and begin to paint.
2. Open a new Canvas the same dimensions and resolution as your photo.
Open the Photo and use Ctrl/Command+A then Ctrl/Command+C to copy it.
With the new Canvas active, use Ctrl/Command+V to paste it on a Layer
above the Canvas. In the Objects palette's Layers section, click the
Drop button to drop the Layer to the Canvas. In the Layers section menu,
choose New Layer. With the New Layer highlighted in the Layers list,
pick a color and begin to paint. Since the New Layer is transparent,
you'll be able to see your photo while you paint (until the paint covers
the photo and the New Layer is no longer transparent where you've
painted.
Since you mention using a Color Set based on the old masters, this
probably wouldn't apply but you can choose a Gradient in the Art
Materials palette's Gradient section. Then in the Gradient section menu,
choose Express in Image. The Gradient colors are applied to the photo.
Hope this helps,
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Jinny Brown
Um.. I guess it would be nice if I really gave you the link. <g>
http://www.elektralusion.com/pages/Classcloneintro.html
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Jinny Brown wrote:
>
> Maria,
>
> Here's a link to a nice clone painting tutorial. You can use it as a
> basis to set things up, then use your own color set either to do a
> normal painting with non-cloning brushes or combine that with clone
> painting using either the cloners brush variants or other brushes with
> their Method set to Cloning. Either way, if you set up your original
> file and its Clone this way, you'll be able to see a 50% opacity view of
> the original whenever you have Tracing Paper turned on, then when you
> turn it off you'll see how your painting is coming along.
>
> To toggle it off and on, either click the Tracing Paper icon or use
> Ctrl/Command+T.
>
> Thelonious' technique can be used in combination with this one, by the
> way.
>
> Good luck with your project,
>
> Jinny Brown
> http://www.pixelalley.com
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>
Jinny Brown
Here's a link to a nice clone painting tutorial. You can use it as a
basis to set things up, then use your own color set either to do a
normal painting with non-cloning brushes or combine that with clone
painting using either the cloners brush variants or other brushes with
their Method set to Cloning. Either way, if you set up your original
file and its Clone this way, you'll be able to see a 50% opacity view of
the original whenever you have Tracing Paper turned on, then when you
turn it off you'll see how your painting is coming along.
To toggle it off and on, either click the Tracing Paper icon or use
Ctrl/Command+T.
Thelonious' technique can be used in combination with this one, by the
way.
Good luck with your project,
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Maria Silva
I think maybe what I am looking for is slightly different. Maybe I am not
explaining enough about what I am looking into. Sorry. Here goes again.
I guess there are a few different steps I would like to be done using an
autoclone method in some way. Here they are:
Is there a way (in painter 6.1) to use the auto clone feature with say the
impressionist brush or another brush, and to automatically apply the auto
clone to apply soft blends (no posterized hard color lines, I don't want to
have to manually go in and blend the hard lines), and
2) taking the colors from the photo (source clone image) BUT having Painter
distinguish the closest colors from the photo to the closest colors in a
specified color set?
3) Plus I want to have a mixed oil brush color look coming out from the auto
clone. I am not sure if the traditional color set in painter can
automatically paint with random variations/mixes of a specific color?
What I am looking for is automatically applied blended variations of a color
in a specified set as the auto clone applies the colors to the cloned image
screen.
Jinny, your method seems close to what I am looking for but I want some kind
of automatic variation of each color in the set applied by using the auto
clone method rather then the manual hand tinting method.
You mentioned that you didn't know of an auto method for applying a color
set, maybe I am just hoping for all this including the auto variation/mixing
expansion of a color set.
Thanks everyone,
Maria.
Jinny Brown
I think both Thelonious and I have understood what you want to do. It's
just that what you're asking is for Painter to do automatically what it
takes the hand of an artist to do. Painter can do part of it
automatically, but not everything.
You can auto-clone any image or photo, using any cloners brush or other
brush set to do cloning with the Clone Colors box checked in either the
Brush Controls palette's Cloning section or in the Art Materials
palette's Colors section. Whether you'll like the result is impossible
to say.
Personally, I don't like the look of auto-cloned images unless that's
only a small portion of the whole process of painting, for instance to
apply a blurred background, then bring up details manually using various
brushes. Completely auto-cloned images are too uniform and lifeless,
unlike an image that's done with the human touch.
How soft your auto cloned image looks depends on the brush you choose,
what settings you adjust, when you stop the auto cloning, what the brush
size and brush opacity are, whether or not the brush picks up paper
texture, how much texture, what Paper is chosen.... and potentially many
other variables that only you can decide on since you'll know what you
want.
For an extreme example, you might use the Cloners brush's Melt Cloner.
If you stop the auto clone process too soon, you'll have Canvas colored
blank areas between the brush dabs. If you let it go until it fills the
entire Canvas, and your brush size is large, it will not only be soft,
it will blur the entire image so the details are gone and the image is
unrecognizeable. This can be a nice effect on a background but obviously
not so good for the whole image. If you reduce the brush size so it's
quite small and allow the auto cloning to fill the entire Canvas, you'll
end up with an image that's only slightly softer than the original.
That's just one isolated example and doesn't begin to represent the
choices you actually have.
> 2) taking the colors from the photo (source clone image) BUT having Painter
> distinguish the closest colors from the photo to the closest colors in a
> specified color set?
I think Thelonious gave you the best option for doing something like
this, using Posterize using Color Set. I doubt that's going to work for
you though, just as I believe he explained.
> 3) Plus I want to have a mixed oil brush color look coming out from the auto
> clone. I am not sure if the traditional color set in painter can
> automatically paint with random variations/mixes of a specific color?
It's possible to set up a brush to paint with more than one color in the
bristles. It's also possible to set the Color Variability so that each
stroke uses a different color within about a quarter of the color wheel,
taking colors on either side of the main color you pick (or tell it to
use color variations from the Color Set). In the Art Materials palette's
Color Variability section you can adjust not only the hue, but also the
saturation and value so all three are variable when the brush is used.
(That's also where you tell the brush to take color variability from the
Color Set). Another way to use multiple colors in a brush stroke is to
use the Pen's Pattern Pen variant and set it to paint colors in the
currently active Gradient. You'll need to refer to the Painter 6 User
Guide to learn about these methods as it's way too much for you to learn
via e-mail and too time consuming to look it all up and write it.
> Jinny, your method seems close to what I am looking for but I want some kind
> of automatic variation of each color in the set applied by using the auto
> clone method rather then the manual hand tinting method.
>
> You mentioned that you didn't know of an auto method for applying a color
> set, maybe I am just hoping for all this including the auto variation/mixing
> expansion of a color set.
We do know of a method to automatically apply color from a color set.
It's the Posterize Using Color Set method Thelonious mentioned.
I believe you're going to need to do at least some of your painting
manually. That's the only way I know of that you're going to be able to
use the special color set, even if you do get your brushes set up to
paint with multiple colors in the bristles, the soft look, and whatever
other effects you want.
There's one other thing you might try first, though. That is to create
your color set then adjust the colors of **a copy** of our photo by
using Effects/Tonal Controls/Adjust Colors and other options in the
Tonal Controls flyout menu. If you can get your photo's colors changed
to something more like the color set, then when you do a clone painting
of it, you'll have some of the work already done and with a little more
adding of specific colors, it might be possible to get the end result
you were looking for.
Study the Painter User Guide where it applies to these subjects before
plunging in. You may discover something we haven't thought of, and at
the very least, you'll understand a bit more before you start.
Remember, if you decide to use the watercolor brushes, they only work on
the Canvas so plan ahead.
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Thelonious Hink
that was pretty full on.
Just to change the subject slightly I have always thought that the auto
clone was a bit lame. Why use it, even for backgrounds. There are lots of
applications that have filters that give a painterly look but only the
manual method of painter can give that true painted effect.
Thelonious
Maria Silva
Thanks for the more indepth info, especially about using the variation
either side of a color in the variatibility, I think that is the closest to
what is available in an auto method. I will attempt that.
Have a nice day,
Maria.
Cricket
to change the colors in your photo BEFORE trying to clone it. Changing the
colors of the photo to colors used by Rembrandt would not be a linear
process...meaning there won't be a 1 to 1 relationship between the color in
the photo and the color you want it to be. Some will be close, others far. I
think for something like this it would probably be best to take it into an
editor such as Photoshop and use curves and all the coloring tools available
there. Then when satisfied, take it to Painter for brushstrokes through
cloning.
Cricket
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