Painter(^%&$$&
David Goerndt
Once again Painter shows its level of unsophistication by hosing a work
while saving. Nothing left but a name and a 0kb file. If any of the the
people responsible for Painter are reading this, get it right or get out of
the business!!
David Goerndt
Corvus
Ugh, I feel your pain... I remember smacking everything in site when Painter
crashed while saving, thereby corrupting the file... I now save a new file
every so many moves/minutes... It makes things a bit more messy, but it's
piece of mind. :0P
-Corvus
"David Goerndt" <dav...@iag.net> wrote in message news:3d055f37$1_2@cnews...
Mike
an earlier version, right?
":^) ®
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Dave Cockburn
Oh yes! I've had all that and more. I have actually managed to sort it by
putting Painter on my main hard drive and all my work files on another.
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"Corvus" <cor...@chartermi.net> wrote in message news:3d056ad1_1@cnews...
Daniel Bui
I'm having the same problems too! Painter crashes during a save and produces
a 0kb file. And the crash also toasts the script history for that session as
well. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what's going on. It
seems to crash most often after I've been working for long periods of time,
and since it wipes the size of the file I'm saving to 0kb, saving often to
the same filename becomes a risky and dangerous habit! I'm using Painter7 on
XP with 256megs of ram...
-Daniel
"Dave Cockburn" <da...@squeakypics.co.uk> wrote in message
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Jinny Brown
Hopefully some or all of these suggestions will help:
Save frequently in Painter's native RIFF format, and save in a series of
numbered files.
Every couple of hours, save your file, shut down Painter, and check the
Pre-built Brush File size. If it's large, delete it. Check it after each
Painter session, in any case, and delete if necessary. It can cause
problems when it becomes too large and it's regenerated each time
Painter is opened.
Try working with other programs closed.
Keep your Painter 7 brush libraries in their default condition and
create new libraries for custom brush variants.
If your level of Undo is the max 32, lower the number.
If your level of Auto Save Scripts for [ ] days is the max 10 days,
lower the number.
Clear out temp files and browser cache regularly.. even several times a
day if needed.
Run ScanDisk and Defrag at least once a week.
Try replacing the default Painter scripts file (.SSD). You'll find it on
Painter 7 CD 1 in the Default Content Files folder.
Sometimes rebooting gets things back in working order. Do that when
Painter begins to act strangely, without waiting for something worse to
happen.
Good luck,
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Daniel Bui
Those are really great tips. My "Pre-Built Brush File" size was 51 megs and
my scripts file was nearly that size as well. Painter7 has only recently
begun crashing during saves, so hopefully those bloated files were the main
culprits. It's a wonder why your suggestions aren't covered in the Painter7
readme.
Here's a question, when I replace any of my painter files with default
content from the CD, do I need to reinstall the Painter7 update?
You rule!
-Daniel
"Jinny Brown" <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Jinny Brown
No, you don't need to reinstall Painter 7 if you replace any or all of
the default Painter 7 files from Painter 7 CD 1. That's why it's so nice
to have them available if one of the default files becomes corrupted.
It's not uncommon for default Painter files to become corrupted, and
it's annoying enough without having to reinstall the entire program.
ANOTHER TIP:
Immediately after replacing the Painter.set file (if you do), set up and
save as many Palette Layouts as you think you'll need for various kinds
of projects, program the Function Keys however you want them, then close
down Painter 7 and make a backup copy of the Painter.set file and place
it in a folder somewhere outside of the Painter 7 folders. Now, if your
Painter.set file becomes corrupted, you can replace it with the backup
copy and not have to set up your Palette Layouts and program the
Function Keys all over again.
If you're not already familiar with these two setups:
SAVED PALETTE LAYOUTS
1. Open Painter and arrange your Palettes however you want.
2. In the Window menu, choose Arrange Palettes > Save Layout and give
your Palette Layout a unique name not already used by Painter 7.
3. Create and save other Palette Layouts in the same way.
4. When you want to use one of them, in the Window menu, choose Arrange
Layouts, then choose the name of your Palette Layout from bottom of the
flyout menu.
FUNCTION KEYS
I use the Function Keys to toggle the Palettes open and closed
individually, and use them in the same numerical order as the
Ctrl/Command+(number) keys are set up to toggle them open and closed:
F1 = Ctrl/Command+1 = Tools
F2 = Ctrl/Command+2 = Brushes
F3 = Ctrl/Command+3 = Art Materials
F4 = Ctrl/Command+4 = Objects
F5 - Ctrl/Command+5 = Controls
F6 = Ctrl/Command+6 = Color Set
F7 = Ctrl/Command+7 = Brush Controls
I find hitting a single key faster and more comfortable than hitting
Ctrl/Command then a number key.
Here's how to set them up (I'll use the Palettes as described above as
the example, but you can program the F or F+Shift keys for any Main menu
or Palette menu command):
1. In the Edit menu, choose Preferences > Function Keys.
2. Choose F1 from the Function Key: drop down list.
3. In the Window menu, choose Show/Hide Tools.
4. Click the Set button.
5. Choose F2 from the Function Key: drop down list.
6. In the Window menu, choose Show/Hide Brushes.
7. Repeat these steps to finish programming the F3 through F7 keys for
each of the remaining Palettes, Art Materials, Objects, Controls, Color
Set, and Brush Controls.
8. Click the Summary button to see a list of programmed F keys and make
sure each was programmed as you intended. If any of them are incorrect,
just choose the appropriate F(number) from the Function Key: drop down
list then choose the correct menu command.
9. When you're finished, click the Done button.
10. Use Ctrl/Command+H to hide all Palettes, then test the programmed F
keys to make sure they're working. Click, for instance, F1 to open the
Tools palette, then click F1 again to close it.
11. Once you're sure all programmed F keys are working, use them to open
all Palettes again so when you close Painter 7 and reopen it, all
Palettes will be open (if that's what you want).
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Daniel Bui wrote:
>
> Thanks Jinny!
>
> Those are really great tips. My "Pre-Built Brush File" size was 51 megs and
> my scripts file was nearly that size as well. Painter7 has only recently
> begun crashing during saves, so hopefully those bloated files were the main
> culprits. It's a wonder why your suggestions aren't covered in the Painter7
> readme.
>
> Here's a question, when I replace any of my painter files with default
> content from the CD, do I need to reinstall the Painter7 update?
>
> You rule!
> -Daniel
<SNIP>
Bernd Ertl
I got a question: how often do you use painter?
And, regarding all those tips: your Painter does not crash anymore?
I'm asking because I don't need to do anything similar with Photoshop and it
is always working, what a miracle!
I just can't get rid of the feeling that the programming of painter got
substantial flaws if all those things keep happening.
I save my riff files every couple of minutes and sometimes Painter 7 will
crash, just like that, and that is very annoying. During the last 6 years
Photoshop might have crashed, 3, 4 times perhaps.
While I use Painter a lot more I get at least one crash a day.
I havent looked much at the new painting tools in Photoshop 7 but if you can
do similar stuff to Painter, Corel got some serious problem.
Bernd
"Jinny Brown" <jinb...@mindspring.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Jinny Brown
I use Painter nearly every day and on the days I use it, several hours a
day. Usually those hours are broken up into several sessions, some long,
some short.
I do have Painter crashes once in a while even though I try to do all of
the things I've listed to keep my system, and Painter, running as
smoothly as possible. Since my system is not as powerful as it needs to
be, I attribute at least some of those crashes to my having pushed it
(my system) too far. In other words, forgot to shut Painter down, and/or
reboot, when it would have been best to do that. Also, I sometimes
forget to close other programs when I'm either working on a large (for
my system) file or working for a few hours.
Painter crashes far less often when I follow my own advice, which is
most of the time. It doesn't crash daily, thank heaven!
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Bernd Ertl wrote:
>
> Jinny,
>
> I got a question: how often do you use painter?
> And, regarding all those tips: your Painter does not crash anymore?
> I'm asking because I don't need to do anything similar with Photoshop and it
> is always working, what a miracle!
> I just can't get rid of the feeling that the programming of painter got
> substantial flaws if all those things keep happening.
> I save my riff files every couple of minutes and sometimes Painter 7 will
> crash, just like that, and that is very annoying. During the last 6 years
> Photoshop might have crashed, 3, 4 times perhaps.
> While I use Painter a lot more I get at least one crash a day.
> I havent looked much at the new painting tools in Photoshop 7 but if you can
> do similar stuff to Painter, Corel got some serious problem.
> Bernd
<SNIP>
David Goerndt
Ok, here's a new one (for me). Painter crashes on opening. I can't be sure
about the first time this happened, but the second time it was using the
Wacom pen to open Painter. The crash also disabled the pen until I reboot. A
little annoying, but not very critical since it happens when opening so
nothing is lost. Win2K, 2GHz P4, 1GB ram.
David Goerndt
Karen Sperling
I would say it's a combination of bad programming for Painter and the fact
that it's 5 times as large and as complex as Photoshop.
I used Painter pretty much day and night for the past few weeks finishing up
my Artistry Painting for Photographers CD. Painter didn't crash at all, I
didn't lose any files and I didn't see any of the weirdness described on
this list. It is buggy though and sometimes simple things like saving
variants is messed up. But doing simple things like saving often, shutting
down and rebooting every hour or so and deleting the pre-built brush file
frequently definitely help in keeping things running smoothly.
I haven't seen Photoshop 7 and maybe you're right, maybe someday it will
replace Painter. Goodness knows there's a lot to hate about Painter.
But I've been using Painter for 12 years and find a lot to love about it,
too.
I have another example to add. I taught a guy Painter in a two hour training
session a couple of weeks back. We got involved with this variant bug
problem and he thought it was impossible beyond belief and left thinking
he'll stick to Photoshop. I'm more tolerant of working around Painter's
troubles. So I think it also depends on your tolerance level.
Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter tutorials and classes
http://www.artistrymag.com
Bernd Ertl
"Karen Sperling" <arti...@artnet.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I totally agree, Painter, so far is the only software that simulate real
media well. Photoshop pieces can look fantastic, yet they tend to look
somehow computer generated. With Painter it is sometimes hard to tell.
However, all these little tricks you got to use are pretty annoying...
I mean, if deleting the pre-built brush file helps a lot, why can't Painter
do it automatically on start up?
I wouldnt not necessarily agree that Painter is more complex than Photoshop,
by the way, I think both programmes are incredibly versatile and complex:
its just that Painter had flaws even a few versions earlier, while Photoshop
always was pretty stable. Painters major bugs never got fixed it seems. And
that is the annoying bit about it.
Imagine a car company would come up with a new model with the flaws of the
previous model.
Okay, software is not nearly as expensive as a car (however Im not so sure
when it comes to Maya f.e.) but it is the principle that annoys me: you buy
the software and the company is not able to fix its major problem:
stability.
Sure, there were improvements in Painter 7 (lets just not mention the
Painter 6 watercolour tool...) but all those new feastures are pretty
useless when you still got to perform all sorts of tricks to keep the
programme stable.
As for hardware Jinny: my computer is now 6 months old, its a system build
by Dell and it performs great, only Painter is still giving me headache....
I think you know what I mean.
I keep working with Painter for the time being, but if there was a similar
package which was really stable I would consider a change.
best,
Bernd
Karen Sperling
Painter is five times the size of Photoshop.
I say this with authority.
I once asked Steve Guttman, Photoshop's marketing guy who went over to
become Painter's marketing guy back when it was owned by Fractal Design. I
figured since he worked for both Adobe and Fractal Design he would know ;-)
And yep, he said Painter has five times as much stuff in it.
Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter tutorials and classes
http://www.artistrymag.com
> From: "Bernd Ertl" <er...@ausgezeichnet.com>
> Organization: Ausgezeichnet!
> Reply-To: "Bernd Ertl" <er...@ausgezeichnet.com>
> Newsgroups: corel.graphic_apps.painter
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:31:32 +0200
> To: corel.graphic_apps.painter
> Subject: Re: SAVING PALETTE LAYOUTS AND PROGRAMMING FUNCTION KEYS (wasPainter7
> Crashes while saving (was Re: Painter(^%&$$&))
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