Painter 7

[Dave]

Although much of the new Painter 7 brushes look very cool, I am a bit
disappointed with the speed. A lot of the brushes are very slow, Much, much
slower then Painter 6. Personaly I would not recomend buying until Procreate
(Corel) resolves these speed issues with the render engine. Even after
loading past version brushes the draw rate just crawls.

My system : 1.8ghz P4 with 256 megs of ram so I know the speed issue is not
from me being too low on system requirements.

Dave

[Timd1971]

it figures...all the hype...and look what happens... a slower painter.
jeez...thanx for the info. what is the deal? its not like we are dealing
with old 100mhz machines anymore....we have 1ghz....and highspeed video
cards...what is the prob? seems the more powerful the machines get, the
slower the apps get....should be the opposite. i think it has to do with
shotty programming, not the programmers fault, but they are PUSHED to
release the product no matter what. the differnce between businessmen
(money makers) and people ACTUALLY doing the work (grunts). its amazing.
jeez. damn suits.

Dave <davidmar...@home.com> wrote in message news:3b6c5e0b_1@cnews...

[Jinny Brown]

Tim,

I read one of the Beta testers saying that changing some of the settings
can speed up the brushes. I don't recall which brush or which setting
but once more of us have Painter 7, we'll be sharing these kinds of
tips.

It's my understanding that these more complex brushes require a whole
lot more calculating to build and I'm guessing that's the reason they're
slower, not because of "shotty".. or shoddy programming. We ask for
more, we get more, and it takes more to run it.

I don't have Painter 7 yet but am sure I'll be asking questions too, and
maybe doing a little whining, but hope not (whining). ;o)

Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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[Tom Tilney]

Jinny,
Email John Derry regarding this. I don't know if I'm talking out of
school but he did give the Beta group a lot of info regarding this problem.
I havn't recieved my copy of 7 yet, still waiting, but he did have an
interim manual regarding the brushes downloaded as a PDF
file, which I assume is now in the Painter manual. The water color brushes
are amazing, if somewhat slow. Just keep the sizes lower than the defaults.

Tom

"Jinny Brown" <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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[Robert R. Reid]

I too am disheartened to hear about the speed issue. I've been looking for
ward to Dave's assessment.

If he's running a 1.8 Mhz system, more than twice the speed of my machine,
and is dissatisfied with Painter 7 speed, then I guess I'll have no recourse
but to wait to see if a future patch addresses the issue.

Or...maybe someone will post the advice given to the Beta Testers that
experienced the same issue.

Oh well.

[ghi stecyk]

i know that the beta builds of P7 were almost impossible to use. brushes were
very slow, especially the new ones. i was hoping the final version would have
all these brushes optimized. we'll see how the mac version works, still waiting
for mine to show up. the watercolor brushes are animations! lot's of
computation involved - for no good reason!? doesn't improve final output any.

also the 1.8 Ghz P4 is not an efficient processor. john derry mentioned that
the painter brush engine was a real time effect. looks as though it is getting
bogged down in system processing. who knows how they can fix it.

ghi

[Jinny Brown]

Tom,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll wait to get Painter 7 and also see what
turns up in e-mail. I'm sure we'll be hearing answers as more of us have
Painter 7 installed and more questions come up. If we're still in need
of more info, we can ask John Derry or Corel for it then. Don't want to
bother them right now.

Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Tom Tilney wrote:
>
> Jinny,
> Email John Derry regarding this. I don't know if I'm talking out of
> school but he did give the Beta group a lot of info regarding this problem.
> I havn't recieved my copy of 7 yet, still waiting, but he did have an
> interim manual regarding the brushes downloaded as a PDF
> file, which I assume is now in the Painter manual. The water color brushes
> are amazing, if somewhat slow. Just keep the sizes lower than the defaults.
>
> Tom

<SNIP>

[Thelonious Hink]

It is very disappointing to see these complaints about the slowness of the
brushes. Installing heaps of ram did not help in P6. Has anyone noticed that
a lot of the work that one sees in Painter is done with ordinary brushes.

I suppose that this is because interesting complex brushes are so slow as to
be virtually useless. And now the situation with painter 7 is that we have
these terrific new brushes that are even slower. I cannot comprehend this at
all. Painter prides itself on its natural media brushes, but a big brush in
natural media is as fast as a small brush.

I can understand not many people being interested in the fact that the vis
mask does destructive edits but surely no-one wants brushes that are so slow
to render. I've been in a position where I've made a stroke with a new
brush and had to wait 5 mins for it to finish so that I could do something
else.

BTW does anyone know whether anything has been done about the Vis Mask in
P7? Does it still do destructive edits or is it now a layer mask or is it
there at all. I have seen no reference to the layer palette in the extensive
press release PDF.

thelonious

[Ed Wiser]

Well my 750 mhz system didn't show any slowness and I was constantly
switching between 6 and 7 during the months I was testing it. Also tested
Painter 7 on a basic 300 mhz NT machine that is at my work and didn't see
any slowness. An this machine is slow as it only has 64meg of ram.
Anyone one with a problem send me an email and lets see what the problem
really is.

Robert R. Reid <rome...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Ed Wiser]

ghi
First Beta the brushes where real slow but the follow betas where fine on my
computer.

ghi stecyk <g...@smartt.com> wrote in message
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[Jinny Brown]

Ed,

How about working out the problem then sharing the specifics here in the
newsgroup since a lot of people will be having questions and it'll save
time?

Thanks in advance if you can do that. Have a great week! :o)

Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Ed Wiser wrote:
>
> Well my 750 mhz system didn't show any slowness and I was constantly
> switching between 6 and 7 during the months I was testing it. Also tested
> Painter 7 on a basic 300 mhz NT machine that is at my work and didn't see
> any slowness. An this machine is slow as it only has 64meg of ram.
> Anyone one with a problem send me an email and lets see what the problem
> really is.

<SNIP>

[Timd1971]

exactly.

kinda rediculous to paint with extremely slow brushes...can't even imagine
doing this with real brushes. anytime i run into a slow process, it slows
me down...inrupts my creativity.... its gotta be the engine in
painter...but then again, not surprised, this is NOT the first time Corel
released a program that didn't function 100% correct...(uh...can we say
coreldraw10?). just don't understand anymore...just doesn't make sense...1
ghz machine, superfast video card, tons of ram, and still slow? (just have
to wait for a service pack to speed things up).

Thelonious Hink <thelo...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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[Timd1971]

uh...yea..why email? hmmm? list all the specs of the machine(s) u are
having NO problems with...so we can see what is going on. and are u using
big brushes? what is the size of your canvas and dpi???

Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

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[ghi stecyk]

ed

the alpha and both betas of painter 7 had slow brushes on my 400mhz g4. the
pens and airbrush and standard brushes and even the impasto were fine. but the
new watercolor brushes and, strangly, the liquid ink were very slow !?! working
at 300dpi on a canvas that was 8x11 inches was very bogged down! upsampling
from low file sizes was considered as a work around, which is something that i
do when it's workable. but even now in painter 6 generally small brushes used
at high dpi are the most responsive. for instance i use the impasto set at
12-16 for 300dpi images. and the responsiveness continues on into multiple
layers. this is my brush size limit for fast painting.

i'm looking forward to getting a faster machine at the end of the year :)

[Ed Wiser]

Well Tim my home PC is 750 mhz Alton 60 gig hard drive with 58 gig free( new
drive)
Dual monitor Matrox G400 with a 21 inch and 17 inch monitors
256 of ram. I generally work at 300 dpi Brushes vary as I also use a wacom
6x8 tablet.
canvas vary's from 640 by 480 for video work to 1024x800 sometimes.

At work I use a I think its a 300mhz 64 meg of ram Windows NT service pack 5
10 gig hard drive with a 30 gig network drive. Work is divided between 640
by 480 and 1024 x 800. I don't use my tablet at work as it is such a hassle
getting the IT department to do anything.

Well thats' the two machine I have been using Painter 7 on for the past few
months.

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