Take the gloves off... coffee debate!
Joell Haugan
I like coffee.... and I like milk (OK, "love" for both)...
I've been know to ask for an I.V. of coffee at the donut
shop...
and to drink all the dairy creamers before the coffee gets
to me.
So, inquiring minds wanna know....
what's the best milk-ish product to put into your dark
roast, really really strong coffee (sip).
Take your pick... or add others.
1. None (period..!!!)
2. Non-dairy creamer (liquid or powder...AKA "white death").
3. 1%
4. 2%
5 Whole milk
6. 1/2 and 1/2
7. Evaporated milk
8. Sweetened Condensed milk (mmmmm).
9. ....oh, and Skim milk (aka white coloured water)
10. oh, heck, Whipping Cream Cream (i.e.. not whipped yet)
11. Clotted cream (for our British friends... never tried
it though)
12. Other......
Joell
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In article <3B1C0F67...@yahoo.ca>, Joell Haugan says...
Christine Forber
C.
Christine Forber
C.
Steve Caple
"whipping cream" as they contain gum carageenan and other such additives -
"heavy cream" that lists only one ingredient (cream) is what you want.
Sugar NEVER! It makes coffee taste sour, actually. If you don't like
coffee, don't drink it.
Ole!
- Phil M. Noir
Andrew Hurt
Andrew Hurt
Ann Keitz
<joell...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>So, inquiring minds wanna know....
>what's the best milk-ish product to put into your dark
>roast, really really strong coffee (sip).
When I'm good it's a skim milk latte or coffee with just sugar.
When I'm bad, I go for the cream <g>.....
Debra Earle
If you want a pleasant experience to savor, add the heaviest (most cream
content) you can find between 1/2&1/2 and heavy cream. Actually, I find
medium cream works great, but is just impossible to find on the west coast
these days.
If you need sugar, add it before the cream. In desert coffees (such as
anything with whipped cream on top & a "spike") use raw sugar, which melts
slowly and saves you from the full brunt of the alcohol.
If you just want a coffee-candy taste in a decent product, Ben & Jerry's
ice cream is as close as you can get to the intense-coffee seduction of
Haagen Dazs as it was 20 years ago (but is no more).
-- DE
In article <3B1C0F67...@yahoo.ca>, joell...@yahoo.ca says...
--
DE, C_Tech
Peter
off to get some.
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Peter
Adapting old programs to fit new machines
usually means adapting new machines to
behave like old ones.
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Wim Waltman
Adding real dairy cream or milk to hot coffee and it becomes very
difficult digestible.
Wim
Eric de Souza
taste.
Eric
On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:44:55 -0700, Joell Haugan
<joell...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Eric de Souza
Bruges
Belgium
Mike McDonald
>
> When I'm bad, I go for the cream <g>.....
Annie
My mother always told me to stay away from bad women and fast cars...or
was it fast women and bad cars?
Wim Waltman
Walter Burbach
Half and half should only be added (optinally) when flavoring the coffee
with hazulnut or chocolate liquer or something like that. It's not
really a coffee then, but a coffee based desert drink.
Walter
Joell Haugan
That hurt.
Joell "lactose tolerant" Haugan
Walter Burbach wrote:
> The answer is 1. none. Drink it black as nature intended.
>
> Half and half should only be added (optinally) when flavoring the coffee
> with hazulnut or chocolate liquer or something like that. It's not
> really a coffee then, but a coffee based desert drink.
>
> Walter
>
--
Walter Burbach
based desert drink. I just can't see myself drinking a pot of it and I
have drunk a pot of coffee by myself before - actually I do it once a
week or so.
Walter
Christine Forber
>
> OTOH, many of our friends think we're compulsive...
Ummm, I suspect they KNOW you are compulsive, not just think so!! <g>
C.
Joel Ehrlich
says...
>
>
>Didn't mean to cause you any pain. There's nothing wrong with a coffee
>based desert drink. I just can't see myself drinking a pot of it and I
>have drunk a pot of coffee by myself before - actually I do it once a
>week or so.
>
I use a restaurant style coffee brewer because we drink so much coffee
(a Bunn two warming plate pour-over). In a household with four adults and
four teenaged children, we typically go through 5 or 6 (12-cup) pots of
coffee each day. (The restaurant style brewer makes a pot of coffee in about
2 minutes.)
And it's all taken black, no nothin'.
How we store our coffee is as important to us as how we maintain our wine
cellar. The selection of the blend of beans is as important as the selection
of single malt scots whisky.
OTOH, many of our friends think we're compulsive...
Joel
Lesley
every day. On rough days at work, I make a second pot (the first at
home) in my handy dandy 10 cup percolator in my office.
Walter Burbach
beat, though as I think he goes through 2-3 pots a day. He's pretty low
key, too (genetically lower blood pressure in our family) and he likes
to sleep in. I've always guesses that if it weren't for the coffee he'd
never wake up.
Walter
Lesley
husband and my dogs stay away from me until at least cup number 3. I'm
not sure if I could physically handle more than one pot per day on a
daily basis though. My hat is off to your brother.
Debra Earle
says...
| I drink a 12 cup pot of black coffee (it's sacrilege any other way)
| every day. On rough days at work, I make a second pot (the first at
| home) in my handy dandy 10 cup percolator in my office.
I find that I rarely can drink a "pot", because the taste just gets too
bitter after being on the heat for a while. Rare is the coffeemaker that
can keep the pot at the right temperature for more than 1 hr ... and then,
as the level of coffee goes down, most start to burn.
Even though I live for the stuff, I actually think I drink 5 cups or less
per day. OTOH, there are mornings when I can't do a thing until at least
two cups are in me.
Oddly, coffee in the evening (granted, with 1/2&1/2) puts me to sleep!
...
I would be curious to see how many here have a grind-and-drip unit. Among
my closest coffee-drinking acquaintances, it was a shock to find how many
coincidentally bought Capressa units within a month of each other. (I
think my syntax is mangled, but I won't be sure until I have more coffee!)
--
DE
Sandy Menor
> I find that I rarely can drink a "pot", because the taste just gets too
> bitter after being on the heat for a while. Rare is the coffeemaker that
> can keep the pot at the right temperature for more than 1 hr ... and then,
> as the level of coffee goes down, most start to burn.
I use a thermal carafe pot so that I don't have that burned taste. . .one
10-cup pot every morning!
> Even though I live for the stuff, I actually think I drink 5 cups or less
> per day. OTOH, there are mornings when I can't do a thing until at least
> two cups are in me.
Humanity returns after the second cup...prior to that, everyone should
beware.
> Oddly, coffee in the evening (granted, with 1/2&1/2) puts me to sleep!
>
Never inhibited my sleep in all these years :)
>
> I would be curious to see how many here have a grind-and-drip unit. Among
> my closest coffee-drinking acquaintances, it was a shock to find how many
> coincidentally bought Capressa units within a month of each other. (I
> think my syntax is mangled, but I won't be sure until I have more coffee!)
Takes too long to grind and I need my coffee *NOW*! (Only in the evenings
for those desert coffees do I take the time)
Sandy
Sandy Menor
"Sandy Menor" <gspr...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> for those desert coffees . . .
Apparently not enough coffee today! Meant to say "dessert"!!
Steve Caple
> I find that I rarely can drink a "pot", because the taste just gets too
> bitter after being on the heat for a while
A good vacuum carafe, pre-heated with VERY hot water, can keep it good for a
couple hours or more.
--
Steve
Lesley
Debra Earle wrote:
>
> I would be curious to see how many here have a grind-and-drip unit. Among
> my closest coffee-drinking acquaintances, it was a shock to find how many
> coincidentally bought Capressa units within a month of each other. (I
> think my syntax is mangled, but I won't be sure until I have more coffee!)
*laugh* As if I'm coordinated enough for that BEFORE coffee? I think
not!
Giuseppe Bilotta
> I'm not quite sure if there's life before coffee
Well, there is for some of us ;-)
> and I know that my
> husband and my dogs stay away from me until at least cup number 3.
I wonder if what wakes you up is actually the coffee or just the time
elapsed from when you got up. From my personal experience (or, rather
from my sister's personal experience), I should never be approached
withn the first quater/half an hour after I got up, if I didn't wake
up by myself, because I'm sort of diesel: slow start. But after that
half an hour is passed, I'm up and running (sometimes in the literal
meaning, because I got up too late, and I have to wait half an hour
before I get out of my home ... and so I'm half an hour late ;->).
Oh, and no, I don't drink coffee. Ever, or almost ever.
--
Giuseppe Bilotta
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theory of IT:
Anything is better than MS
Sandy Menor
"Giuseppe Bilotta" <bilo...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, and no, I don't drink coffee. Ever, or almost ever.
You're missing one of the better pleasures in life (I said, "one of"!)
Sitting on the patio with a cup of coffee and listening to the quiet is
definitely quality time ;)
Sandy
Joel Ehrlich
newsg...@intranet-works.com says...
>
>I find that I rarely can drink a "pot", because the taste just gets too
>bitter after being on the heat for a while. Rare is the coffeemaker that
>can keep the pot at the right temperature for more than 1 hr ... and then,
>as the level of coffee goes down, most start to burn.
>
There are a number of coffee makers available in which the freshly brewed
coffee is dispensed into a Thermos style pot in which it remains warm
without a heater. Coffee kept in that fashion is far less likely to
oxidize.
Joel
Joel Ehrlich
says...
for 30 minutes or so, a good vacuum pot should be able to maintain the
temperature of the coffee for as much as 8 hours.
Joel
Erik Wessman
accustomed to lukewarm or cold coffee - and actually begin to like it
that way.
Giuseppe Bilotta
Not if you don't like the taste of coffee. But you can substitute any
other fav drink for coffee in the above scenery and still get the
quality time :-)
Steve Caple
> I'm sort of diesel: slow start
Does if follow that you're noisy and clanky [NB: not a 1930's dialect joke]
and produce dark clouds of eye-stinging exhaust?
Inquiring minds want to know ...
--
Steve
Graeme Adamson
> I use a restaurant style coffee brewer because we drink so much coffee
> (a Bunn two warming plate pour-over). In a household with four adults and
> four teenaged children, we typically go through 5 or 6 (12-cup) pots of
> coffee each day. (The restaurant style brewer makes a pot of coffee in about
> 2 minutes.)
>
> And it's all taken black, no nothin'.
>
> How we store our coffee is as important to us as how we maintain our wine
> cellar. The selection of the blend of beans is as important as the selection
> of single malt scots whisky.
>
> OTOH, many of our friends think we're compulsive...
I must say, I rather like a good cup of instant coffee. Every now and again,
I'll have some good filter coffee too, just for a change. All with milk and
sugar, of course.
Graeme
Erik Wessman
Tom Daugherty
|He probably needs to have his injectors cleaned periodically.
|
|
--
Tom
Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change;
and when we are right, make us easy to live with.
... Peter Marshall (1902-1949)
Debra Earle
says...
|
| I must say, I rather like a good cup of instant coffee.
|
I have to get a cuppa just to steady my nerves after reading this!
--
DE
Giuseppe Bilotta
> Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> > I'm sort of diesel: slow start
>
> Does if follow that you're noisy and clanky [NB: not a 1930's dialect joke]
I'm too young to know the 30s joke, so please expand on it (aka: tell
it)
> and produce dark clouds of eye-stinging exhaust?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know ...
Uh ... no, I'm fine-tuned properly. No smoke, no noise, no nothing,
but I'm not the get-up-and-go type. I'm the get-up-wait-half-an-hour-
and-go type :-)
Steve Caple
> I'm too young to know the 30s joke, so please expand on it (aka: tell
> it)
Charlie Chan - style racist pseudo oriental accent - clank vice crank,
velly for very, etc.
Peter
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but you can't make her think.
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Giuseppe Bilotta
> In article <3b277241$1_2@cnews>, ewes...@home.com says...
> |He probably needs to have his injectors cleaned periodically.
> |
> |
> Or he has his fuel pump turned up too high.
Now, this was nasty and evil ;-) (other than true, of course, and the
reason is ... ?)
Giuseppe Bilotta
Oh, ok.
Tom Daugherty
@hotpop.com says...
|Tom Daugherty wrote:
|> In article <3b277241$1_2@cnews>, ewes...@home.com says...
|> |He probably needs to have his injectors cleaned periodically.
|> |
|> |
|> Or he has his fuel pump turned up too high.
|
|Now, this was nasty and evil ;-) (other than true, of course, and the
|reason is ... ?)
|
|
of the time it comes from too much fuel being injected into the engine.
Some drivers increase it to try and get as much power as possible.
--
Tom.
Remember amateurs built the ark -
Professionals built the Titanic.
Steve Caple
> That's one of the reasons I use a press.
I do too, and sometimes even enjoying chewing the dregs, but I really ned to
dig out the mini-filter maker I have somewhere - maybe in the camping box in
the garage - a little one cupper aluminum thingie that has a base wide
enough to fit across a Sierra cup and takes a little aluminum plate with
holes in it and a circular paper filter (Melitta makes them). Or get one of
the gold mesh over-the-cup drippers.
--
Steve
Wim Waltman
drink anything else in your life.
I'm neither affiliated or have shares in the company, but I'm addicted.
Wim
Graeme Adamson
Good idea. I'm off to fetch a nice cuppa tea. :)
Graeme
Giuseppe Bilotta
> In article <MPG.1591bd099...@cnews.corel.com>, bilotta78
> @hotpop.com says...
> |Tom Daugherty wrote:
> |> In article <3b277241$1_2@cnews>, ewes...@home.com says...
> |> |He probably needs to have his injectors cleaned periodically.
> |> |
> |> |
> |> Or he has his fuel pump turned up too high.
> |
> |Now, this was nasty and evil ;-) (other than true, of course, and the
> |reason is ... ?)
> |
> |
> It was in reference to the smoke that the diesels were throwing out. Much
> of the time it comes from too much fuel being injected into the engine.
> Some drivers increase it to try and get as much power as possible.
Uh-oh. We're not on the same wavelength :-) My question referred to
the fact that my fuel pump actually *is* turned up too high, and I
wanted you to guess why. Never mind.
As for diesel, if you feed them on frying oil instead of gasoline they
have a nice french fries smell.
Tom Daugherty
@hotpop.com says...
|Uh-oh. We're not on the same wavelength :-) My question referred to
|the fact that my fuel pump actually *is* turned up too high, and I
|wanted you to guess why. Never mind.
|
|As for diesel, if you feed them on frying oil instead of gasoline they
|have a nice french fries smell.
|
|
Debra Earle
says...
a great cup of coffee, assuming the coffee itself was good of course.
I don't like the metal filters, but then I don't like chewing on the dregs
either. I suppose I'm at polar opposites: I like "clean" coffee quite a
bit, except after dinner.
--
DE
Debra Earle
says...
some obnoxious redirection that makes it hard to even get in to a useful
page.
--
DE
Peter
--
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You can lead a horticulture,
but you can't make her think.
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Joel Ehrlich
newsg...@intranet-works.com says...
>
|
>No info on the machine at the website -- that I could find, anyway -- and
>some obnoxious redirection that makes it hard to even get in to a useful
>page.
>
They appear to have a variety of machines about which they provide no
information.
I'm attempting to learn more about the product as I have a friend whose
(real - big- expensive) esspresso machine is broken and who is having
difficulty getting started each day. I'll pass along what I learn.
Joel
Joel Ehrlich
>No info on the machine at the website -- that I could find, anyway -- and
>some obnoxious redirection that makes it hard to even get in to a useful
>page.
>
Go to http://www.krups/com, click on the USA choise, then click on their
espresso option and finally on their Nespresso option and you'll see three
of the machine madels available to you as well as a picture of their coffee
"capsules", etc.
Joel
Debra Earle
leave it to Krups to KISS.
Now I have to investigate the "Fresh Aroma" line, sorry ...
--
DE
Wim Waltman
only than for ordering coffee.
If you click on buy on line you get the 4 machines. Site is not very well
laid out
Wim
Steve Caple
> Site is not very well laid out
Perhaps that's strategic, so as to leave a more innocent excuse to mind for
the pricing of their "capsules" being hidden so far as I could find.
Are those things actually capable of using regular espresso gound coffee, or
are you restricted to using the capsules? Not a situation I'd like to spend
several hundred dollars to get myself into.
And just what the devil do their various names for roasts/flavors/what have
you translate to? Looks about as meaningful as car company or fashion
magazine names for colors to me, but perhaps I'm merely revealing my
ingnorance of their language.
--
Steve Caple
Wim Waltman
price. But once you have tasted, you are lost.
The same machines are on the market here for loose coffee, but since the
capsules need a pin to open up the top, you can't use the same machine
for loose or capsules.
Received a booklet with the machine explaining the several blends hiding
behind the names.
Wim
Debra Earle
says...
| Since we have the machines here in most stores never looked at the WEBsite
| only than for ordering coffee.
|
| If you click on buy on line you get the 4 machines. Site is not very well
| laid out
|
shots of the machines, nice comparisons, all the basic info you'd want to
consider before ordering.
Of course, the big problem is that you can't tell until you brew the
coffee.
I did like the Capressa, but for whatever reasons, it did not make as good
coffee as my old "Cafe America" ... a wonderful little unit that Norelco
sold for a while, in K-Mart but not properly identified, which (product)
has had a rabid band of die-hards who pestered Norelco for years after the
product was discontinued. Then there was the Toshiba unit, put out of
commission by a faulty lid switch, and Toshiba wanting $69 to fix the
switch! (which was so recessed that I couldn't find an easy way to fix it
myself either.) Then there was the Mr. Coffee grind&drip, another mis-
marketed machine, actually not bad for brewing, and very reasonably priced
(I think it was $69 or $79 for the fully-automated-with-timer grind&drip
model.)
So now I will look at the Krups model for grind& drip, since I do know
that Krups is fanatical about getting the water temp and burner temp just
right, and that even their little units tend to make very good coffee.
*"Attention to detail"*!! You cannot have good coffee without it; it
does really matter if the water temp is 4 deg. off or if the water comes
out too fast, or if the design causes the grounds to dissipate from the
spot the drip drips (so you get a lot of unused grounds on the outside and
weak coffee unless you over-load) etc.
However, I'm not inclined to make espresso at home; for that, I go to any
of the zillion coffee places within a few blocks. Within 5 blocks of
home, there are several Tully's, Seattle's Best, Starbucks, and an
independent or two ... so it gives me a chance to come up for fresh air!
--
DE, coffee fanatic
Steve Caple
> or if the design causes the grounds to dissipate from the
> spot the drip drips (so you get a lot of unused grounds on the outside and
> weak coffee unless you over-load)
Yes, a properly designed "wasser verteiler" is an important design element.
In my dinky one cupper it was a sheet of aluminum with 3mm holes in it!
--
Steve
Debra Earle
says...
one-cupper's are not so bad (IMO) because that cone shape keeps the water
going through all the grounds, instead of just some in one spot.
--
DE
