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Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 19, 2011, 11:32:36 AM11/19/11
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I just discovered Core Server. I am working on a new application that
will handle web based surveys in corporate settings. It will need to
do PDF output and dashboard display of the results. I am an
experienced Hunchentoot developer. Would Core Server be able to fill
this need?

Evrim Ulu

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Nov 19, 2011, 11:56:18 AM11/19/11
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Hi,

Building surveys would be easy, nevertheless, i've never tried to do pdf
output. I know that there is a library for that in CL. If it doesnt work,
you can always use defcommand to employ unix commands that creates pdf's
from a certain type of input and serve.

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Evrim Ulu <evri...@core.gen.tr>
Kor Information Technolgies Ltd. - http://www.core.gen.tr/

Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 19, 2011, 1:01:11 PM11/19/11
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Thanks for your reply. I've already used CL-TYPESETTING and CL-PDF
for the reports, so that should be easy.
The feature list is extensive, and mentions some very modern
technology.

Here are a few more questions:

- Is Core Server Being used by any organizations yet besides your own?
- How would you compare Core Server to the other common lisp web
frameworks?

On Nov 19, 11:56 am, Evrim Ulu <evrim....@core.gen.tr> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:32:36 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
>

> <jmckitr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just discovered Core Server. I am working on a new application that
> > will handle web based surveys in corporate settings. It will need to
> > do PDF output and dashboard display of the results. I am an
> > experienced Hunchentoot developer. Would Core Server be able to fill
> > this need?
>
> Hi,
>
> Building surveys would be easy, nevertheless, i've never tried to do pdf
> output. I know that there is a library for that in CL. If it doesnt work,
> you can always use defcommand to employ unix commands that creates pdf's
> from a certain type of input and serve.
>
> --

> Evrim Ulu <evrim....@core.gen.tr>
> Kor Information Technolgies Ltd. -http://www.core.gen.tr/

Evrim Ulu

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Nov 19, 2011, 1:14:43 PM11/19/11
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:01:11 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
<jmcki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. I've already used CL-TYPESETTING and CL-PDF
> for the reports, so that should be easy.
> The feature list is extensive, and mentions some very modern
> technology.
>
> Here are a few more questions:
>
> - Is Core Server Being used by any organizations yet besides your own?
> - How would you compare Core Server to the other common lisp web
> frameworks?
>

Hi Jonathon,

We sell a web service named Coretal.net to our customers. Currently, the
number is around a dozen.

I think, i cannot answer the comparison question since i do not know much
about other CL web frameworks. I have experience only in ucw. Core-Server
is the successor of ucw in some sense. We do not use any of the code of ucw
except arnesi library. Yet we've learned a lot during the development.

Finally, we've tried to implement a sound basis over rfc implementation to
be solid plus, some nice component functors to be able to develop rich user
interfaces.


Regards,

Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 19, 2011, 2:00:30 PM11/19/11
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Ok, I've just created an account at coretal.net, but I cannot copy a
page or edit domains.

I would like to experiment with the site to learn more about Core
Server.

On Nov 19, 1:14 pm, Evrim Ulu <evrim....@core.gen.tr> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:01:11 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
>

> <jmckitr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply.  I've already used CL-TYPESETTING and CL-PDF
> > for the reports, so that should be easy.
> > The feature list is extensive, and mentions some very modern
> > technology.
>
> > Here are a few more questions:
>
> > - Is Core Server Being used by any organizations yet besides your own?
> > - How would you compare Core Server to the other common lisp web
> > frameworks?
>
> Hi Jonathon,
>
> We sell a web service named Coretal.net to our customers. Currently, the
> number is around a dozen.
>
> I think, i cannot answer the comparison question since i do not know much
> about other CL web frameworks. I have experience only in ucw. Core-Server
> is the successor of ucw in some sense. We do not use any of the code of ucw
> except arnesi library. Yet we've learned a lot during the development.
>
> Finally, we've tried to implement a sound basis over rfc implementation to
> be solid plus, some nice component functors to be able to develop rich user
> interfaces.
>
> Regards,
> --

Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 19, 2011, 2:02:00 PM11/19/11
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Another question:

I like to have one person design my page in html and css, and then
render it with a template. Core Services seems to use common lisp for
everything, including web page design, correct? How can I import and
use an HTML and CSS design or theme this way?

On Nov 19, 1:14 pm, Evrim Ulu <evrim....@core.gen.tr> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:01:11 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
>

> <jmckitr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply.  I've already used CL-TYPESETTING and CL-PDF
> > for the reports, so that should be easy.
> > The feature list is extensive, and mentions some very modern
> > technology.
>
> > Here are a few more questions:
>
> > - Is Core Server Being used by any organizations yet besides your own?
> > - How would you compare Core Server to the other common lisp web
> > frameworks?
>
> Hi Jonathon,
>
> We sell a web service named Coretal.net to our customers. Currently, the
> number is around a dozen.
>
> I think, i cannot answer the comparison question since i do not know much
> about other CL web frameworks. I have experience only in ucw. Core-Server
> is the successor of ucw in some sense. We do not use any of the code of ucw
> except arnesi library. Yet we've learned a lot during the development.
>
> Finally, we've tried to implement a sound basis over rfc implementation to
> be solid plus, some nice component functors to be able to develop rich user
> interfaces.
>
> Regards,
> --

Evrim Ulu

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Nov 19, 2011, 2:04:16 PM11/19/11
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:00:30 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
<jmcki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I've just created an account at coretal.net, but I cannot copy a
> page or edit domains.
>
> I would like to experiment with the site to learn more about Core
> Server.

Nice,

I didnt get what "I cannot copy a page or edit domains" means. Maybe you
can see the demo at http://demo.coretal.net/ plus the video at the index
page. The domain name should be the fqdn of your site like www.coretal.net.

Evrim Ulu

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Nov 19, 2011, 2:22:38 PM11/19/11
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:02:00 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
<jmcki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another question:
>
> I like to have one person design my page in html and css, and then
> render it with a template. Core Services seems to use common lisp for
> everything, including web page design, correct? How can I import and
> use an HTML and CSS design or theme this way?
>

Core-Server web component allows implementation of component on the client
side, therefore you do not need usual templating engines.

Also, Coretal.net is design agnostic. We do not host your HTML/CSS design.
You host your own site. Just add the script line given by coretal.net and
you are ready to go. You can change your design anytime you want.

Please refer to the first 3 minutes of the video. I think it'll clear this
issue.

Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 19, 2011, 2:50:14 PM11/19/11
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This reminds me of salesforce.com and the Apex backend, only in Common
Lisp. Very cool.

I still cannot register, however. The register button takes me to a
blank widget. After creating an account I cannot log in. I also
asked for a password reset, and clicking on the link leads to a blank
page that never finishes loading.

On Nov 19, 2:22 pm, Evrim Ulu <evrim....@core.gen.tr> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:02:00 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
>

> <jmckitr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Another question:
>
> > I like to have one person design my page in html and css, and then
> > render it with a template.  Core Services seems to use common lisp for
> > everything, including web page design, correct?  How can I import and
> > use an HTML and CSS design or theme this way?
>
> Core-Server web component allows implementation of component on the client
> side, therefore you do not need usual templating engines.
>
> Also, Coretal.net is design agnostic. We do not host your HTML/CSS design.
> You host your own site. Just add the script line given by coretal.net and
> you are ready to go. You can change your design anytime you want.
>
> Please refer to the first 3 minutes of the video. I think it'll clear this
> issue.
>
> --

Evrim Ulu

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Nov 19, 2011, 3:04:36 PM11/19/11
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:50:14 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
<jmcki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This reminds me of salesforce.com and the Apex backend, only in Common
> Lisp. Very cool.
>
> I still cannot register, however. The register button takes me to a
> blank widget. After creating an account I cannot log in. I also
> asked for a password reset, and clicking on the link leads to a blank
> page that never finishes loading.
>

Ok, you can probably login now.

Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 19, 2011, 3:26:35 PM11/19/11
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Still no luck. Clicking on 'register' does nothing. The button does
not press down, and there is no action taken.

On Nov 19, 3:04 pm, Evrim Ulu <evrim....@core.gen.tr> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:50:14 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
>

> <jmckitr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This reminds me of salesforce.com and the Apex backend, only in Common
> > Lisp.  Very cool.
>
> > I still cannot register, however.  The register button takes me to a
> > blank widget.  After creating an account I cannot log in.  I also
> > asked for a password reset, and clicking on the link leads to a blank
> > page that never finishes loading.
>
> Ok,  you can probably login now.
>
> --

Evrim Ulu

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Nov 19, 2011, 3:28:38 PM11/19/11
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:26:35 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
<jmcki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Still no luck. Clicking on 'register' does nothing. The button does
> not press down, and there is no action taken.
>
Hi,

I saw your account, there is no problem, just login with your email &
password.

Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 20, 2011, 12:23:33 PM11/20/11
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I discovered that I cannot login on Safari, but I can on Chrome.

On Nov 19, 3:28 pm, Evrim Ulu <evrim....@core.gen.tr> wrote:


> On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:26:35 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick<jmckitr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Still no luck.  Clicking on 'register' does nothing.  The button does
> > not press down, and there is no action taken.
>
> Hi,
>
> I saw your account, there is no problem, just login with your email &
> password.
>
> --

Jonathon McKitrick

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Nov 21, 2011, 7:24:13 PM11/21/11
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There is an amazing amount of code in this project. I count around
37k non-test lines. How long did it take you to complete this
project?

Evrim Ulu

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Nov 21, 2011, 9:09:58 PM11/21/11
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:24:13 -0800 (PST), Jonathon McKitrick
<jmcki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is an amazing amount of code in this project. I count around
> 37k non-test lines. How long did it take you to complete this
> project?
>

darcs tells me that it's going back to 2006 december.

core@node7:~/core-server/lib/core-server$ darcs changes |tail
* static files.

Sun Dec 3 22:42:20 EET 2006 ev...@core.gen.tr
* asdf system def for core-server.

Sun Dec 3 22:37:51 EET 2006 ev...@core.gen.tr
* version 0.2, mail server left.

Fri Dec 1 22:45:28 EET 2006 ev...@core.gen.tr
* trinode 0.1

Btw, I've fixed safari bug, cross-domain cookies were not working. Thanks
for pointing out. It's probably fine now.

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