Re: About security cameras project at Corde Terra
Rich Kwok
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-Rich
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I find it a bit strange that we are talking about security cameras when we don’t even seem to be able to afford decent maintenance of our landscaping and the lighting we have installed. Security cameras are useless unless monitored and maintained. What is the ongoing cost of this maintenance and monitoring?It would be much more cost effective and crime preventive if everyone in the community would simply turn on their outside lighting. Light is one of the most effective known deterrents to crime, and our circuits are designed to work only at night so they go on and off automatically and are very cost effective since the bulbs are CFLs.I vote we turn on the lights...Until convinced otherwise my vote will have to be against as well.From: marcoSent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:17 PMTo: 'marco' ; renter...@gmail.com ; samsp...@hotmail.com ; annik...@hotmail.com ; jrc...@yahoo.com ; arle...@att.net ; evere...@msn.com ; jomac...@yahoo.com ; macelps...@yahoo.com ; rga...@hotmail.com ; fger...@gmail.com ; cristi...@yahoo.com ; mah...@mahaatek.com ; ka...@mahaatek.com ; clam...@yahoo.com ; langy...@yahoo.com ; cly...@hotmail.com ; kevinl...@yahoo.com ; to...@hotmail.com ; samfa...@yahoo.com ; mikelon...@yahoo.com ; trerry...@yahoo.com ; arunpr...@yahoo.com ; hiena...@gmail.com ; timtoa...@yahoo.com ; trang_ng...@hotmail.com ; trungt...@yahoo.com ; t...@yahoo.com ; tr...@epius.com ; arm...@hotmail.com ; phng...@yahoo.com ; lauh...@yahoo.com ; tasl...@gmail.com ; ysuzu...@msn.com ; andrew...@yahoo.com ; ip...@hotmail.com ; peng...@lmco.com ; sheila...@yahoo.com ; wi...@yahoo.com ; beny...@gmail.com ; kennyz...@yahoo.com ; MelS...@aol.com ; tim...@gmail.com ; 'silvia' ; 'danny ek' ; 'Rich Kwok'Subject: About security cameras project at Corde TerraHi all,
I believe we all found in the mail box the ballot for the security cameras project, I’d like to spend few words to explain why
I am going to deny funds for this project.
1) Attached you’ll see the Certificate of Liability Insurance showing a very generous coverage for the HOA liability
In case we believe the coverage doesn’t fit our needs then we have just to extend it to cover all our needs, for
sure we’ll spend much less than 43000-$54000
2) Are we asked to spend so much money because few association lights have been damaged?
How much do we have to pay to replace damaged lights? $43000-$54000 is a lot of money to take care just of few lights
3) For those owners whose vehicles have been damaged: I am really sorry for them but I believe we can’t spend association
money for private vehicles that may be already covered with a full coverage policy bby the owner
4) Since we live in a very low crime neighborhood the security cameras project is basically useless
5) Even if there are “bad guys” around us they won’t care about security cameras
Since the cameras will be visible the “bad guys” (if there is any) will vandalize our areas without any problem if they’ll want ,
they will have just to wear a mask not to be identified
6) Privacy issue since our patios will be watched
About one week ago I asked Adriana Da Silva about this issue, she replied that “…unfortunately in a common interest development the majority decides and if they approve all common areas including possibly exclusive-use areas such as the patios will be monitored …”
I don’t know what you think about it all I know is I don’t want a ”big brother” watching my private life on the patio.
7) The camera project will devalue our properties
What a potential buyer can think about our community with so many cameras spread around? He’ll run away for sure thinking this area
riddled with crimes
8) If the association currently has $43195 in excess (as mentioned in the ballot letter) why don’t we lower our monthly dues instead of spending this money?
9) The letter I got from MB says that a copy of the security camera proposal is available for homeowners to view
on the website however it doesn’t say how to access the website. If any of you has this information please let me know
10) In the end I believe this security cameras project if approved will be good just for the company performing the installation
Thanks,
Marco Mancinelli
2715 Corde Terra Circle
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Rich Kwok
My proposal mentioned before would be to CHECK first with the low income housing apartments. If they had similar incidents, perhaps the major costs can be negotiated. I agree that privacy is a concern and no one wants videos taken of their balconies. So I suggested an entrance camera that can be monitored in conjunction with the low income housing apartments. Since we all live in the same circle and neighborhood "Corde Terra Villas", we may be able to achieve the desired objectives with minimal or shared costs. The stop sign area is sufficient to capture plates etc and the areas of ingress / egress would be limited to walking (near the low income trash cans).
FYI to validate the data yourself that Kevin had mentioned, here's a website that is helpful:
http://www.crimereports.com/
[1] first enter in your area "corde terra circle, 95111" [2] choose a date range (i chose October onwards) [3] select all incidents
You should get a report similar to what I attached. Again I'm not advocating the current proposal as-is, but rather checking with the low income housing since such cameras could be mounted on the senior housing; they may have a budget for such an item if it affects the community as a whole.
See attached data.
-Rich
Danny, the board does have documented reports about these incidents. You are entitled to your own opinion, as am I. You can choose to believe what you want. My only objective was to ensure that all of the facts were on the table. That way people can make an educated decision.I only heard about the assault recently, within the past few months. I did not inquire as to when it happened. Isn't the fact that it did happen enough? Do you feel better that it happened a while ago rather than yesterday?
Sent from my iPadKevin,
Do you really expect your email to clear things up a bit? Rather your email seems to create artificial hysteria.
You have no data to support or substantiate. Do you have police reports from the incidents (specifically sexual assault, shooting, and vandalism) that you mentioned? Or are they just hearsay?
I have heard about the assault three years ago. Why the cameras now?
Danny
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Kevin Shinmoto <lauh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,The reason I brought that up was because Marco's email made it sound like the HOA liability policy would cover any type of incident occuring in our community. I wanted to make it clear that certain things are excluded. I agree that the HOA is not responsible for each homeowner's choice of insurance protection, but you cannot say that it's a "bad choice" for people not to have vandalism coverage built into their auto policy. As the owner of an independent brokerage for the past 14 years, I have seen the entire market shift as the economy has stalled. A few years ago, that type of coverage was included in the majority of policies. These days carriers are pulling it out and making it a rider for those who cannot afford higher premiums. Sad to say, there are a lot of people who do not have that coverage...not because they don't see the value, but because it's simply not in their budget.We are also open to any other proposals members may have. However, the problem is that no one comes to the HOA meetings to voice their opinion or provide input. The only time we get feedback is when people do not approve of a pending decision. Believe me, I know how busy people can get. But it would help greatly if we could increase attendance at meetings. At the past few meetings, we've had no more than 6-7 homeowners present.As I mentioned in my email, there were some serious incidents that occurred in our community over the past year. You may not have experienced anything, but your statement about individual paranoia is not fair to those who have. I feel it shows a narrow perspective...shouldn't we be considering the community as a whole?
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Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:01:15 PM
Subject: Re: About security cameras project at Corde Terra
The individual homes are the responsibility of the homeowners, and it would be a most unusual legal system that would make the HOA responsible for an act of violence simply because it occurred on common property. If that were possible we would be able to sue the police for not preventing crime. I also do not think the community is responsible for an individuals bad choice in auto insurance coverage. This neighborhood is not exempt from crime, but is probably safer than most in the area. I think it would be a waste of our monies to put in cameras without even a plan being placed before the members. Who decided they were the authority on systems? What would we be getting for the money? Who is monitoring / recording? What is the cost of maintenance?I will state again that I feel that this is a waste of HOA funds. And decisions should not be based on individual paranoia.From: Kevin ShinmotoSent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:23 PMTo: man...@earthlink.net ; sam spengler ; renter...@gmail.com ; annik...@hotmail.com ; jrc...@yahoo.com ; arle...@att.net ; evere...@msn.com ; jomac...@yahoo.com ; macelps...@yahoo.com ; rga...@hotmail.com ; fger...@gmail.com ; cristi...@yahoo.com ; mah...@mahaatek.com ; ka...@mahaatek.com ; clam...@yahoo.com ; langy...@yahoo.com ; cly...@hotmail.com ; kevinl...@yahoo.com ; to...@hotmail.com ; samfa...@yahoo.com ; mikelon...@yahoo.com ; trerry...@yahoo.com ; arunpr...@yahoo.com ; hiena...@gmail.com ; timtoa...@yahoo.com ; trang_ng...@hotmail.com ; trungt...@yahoo.com ; t...@yahoo.com ; tr...@epius.com ; arm...@hotmail.com ; phng...@yahoo.com ; tasl...@gmail.com ; ysuzu...@msn.com ; andrew...@yahoo.com ; ip...@hotmail.com ; peng...@lmco.com ; sheila...@yahoo.com ; wi...@yahoo.com ; beny...@gmail.com ; kennyz...@yahoo.com ; mels...@aol.com ; tim...@gmail.com ; ofthe...@yahoo.com ; dann...@gmail.com ; rich...@farereo.comSubject: Re: About security cameras project at Corde TerraOne more thing...the Association general liability policy does not provide coverage for vandalism. It also does not cover the homes...only the driveways and landscaped common areas.
From: Kevin Shinmoto <lauh...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 2:18:10 PM
Subject: Re: About security cameras project at Corde Terra
Dear fellow homeowners,I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that. However, there are a number of things that have not been brought to light that I feel are important for everyone to know before making their final decision.1. While the liability insurance will cover many of the costs associated with repair of the community, what happens if someone gets seriously hurt due to an assault or as a byproduct of vandalism? Wouldn't we rather try to prevent that from happening rather than paying for it after the fact? Monetary reimbursement isn't everything.2. The cost of the lights is not the issue, it's just one of the items that was discussed. My primary concern is safety of homeowners, not necessarily the cost of replacing property.3. Many auto policies do not cover acts of vandalism.4. There were a number of serious issues reported to the board...among them were a sexual assault, shooting (no one was harmed) and many acts of vandalism that insurance did not fully cover. I cannot specifically disclose details due to privacy regulations, but please trust that I would not embellish anything so serious just to prove a point.5. I cannot argue this point, as it is a matter of opinion. Personally, I think cameras would deter most of the vandalism that has occurred. If it is a premeditated crime where someone plans to conceal themself, the police would still be able to get an idea of their build. My point is that it's better than not having them.6. We discussed this in the last meeting. None of us have the time or energy to go through hours upon hours of footage just to spy on neighbors. That is not the purpose of the camera system. We would only view it if a crime was reported.
7. I do not have sufficient real estate experience to comment on that point8. Personally, I think our dues are already very low. I don't have any supporting documentation, but I can say that I don't know any friends or family who are paying less than we are. All of my other HOA's have charged much more.9. Adriana, do we have a pdf that can be sent to everyone?10. I'm sure it would be cheaper if we installed a system ourselves, but would anyone step up to do it?I feel it really comes down to everyone's risk tolerance. I personally would rather spend the money up front to try and protect my family and property rather than wait until something happens. By then, it may be too late. Money cannot fix physical or emotional trauma.I understand many of you feel that neighbors looking out for each other is enough. Thus far, that has not worked (see point #4). The only feedback the board has received is from neighbors who are "looking out" for violations of the CC&R's, not for the safety of their community. Keep in mind that the board has just reacted to issues that have been brought to our attention by other homeowners. We did not actively go looking for any of the items such as the plants, curb painting, security door, patio paint or water runoff.Thank you for taking the time to read this email. I hope it has cleared things up a bit. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have more specific questions.Sincerely,Kevin Shinmoto
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Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 12:34:39 PM
Subject: RE: About security cameras project at Corde Terra
Hi Sam,
I totally agree.
Thanks,
Marco
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Subject: RE: About security cameras project at Corde Terra
Having security cameras put in, for as much as they will cost us, does not make sense to me either. There are much better ways to spend this money. I don't believe in such a low crime area that security cameras will help. Neighbors watching out for each other and lighting will be more of a help and at less cost.I will vote 'no' for security cameras as well.Sam
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Subject: About security cameras project at Corde Terra
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 20:17:57 -0700
marco
Adriana,
Below the email I sent Kris (green) about my billing issue
and you (red) about how to access the website mentioned in
The MB letter.
Thanks,
Marco
-----Original Message-----
From: man...@earthlink.net [mailto:man...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:36 PM
To: kris blevins; adriana da silva
Subject: Billing question and security cameras info
Hi Kris,
here is my latest payments, why did you charge me for the late fee I see on the laetst bill?
Amount Deliver By Status Actions
$108.85 03/15/2011 Processed View Payment
$108.85 02/25/2011 Processed View Payment
$119.74 01/18/2011 Processed View Payment
$108.85 12/20/2010 Processed View Payment
Adriana,
what's the website showing the security cameras proposal?
Adriana DaSilva
Marco,
The below response was e-mailed to you at 4:47 p.m. today.
Kris - Will address your billing question.
HOA website is www.mbhm.net. You will need to register for the site if you have problems contact my assistant ju...@mbhm.net.
ALL HOMEOWNERS-
Update regarding your billing after speaking to Kris in accounting it appears that late fees on at least one occasion were charged after the 15th. The correct due date is the 30th of each month and we apologize for the confusion. We have several clients that have a 15 due date and accounting manually has to change the due date. All late fees that were incorrectly charged after the 15th are being reversed and we apologize for the confusion.
Community Manager
MB Homeowners Management Inc.
1210 S. Bascom Avenue, Suite 220
San Jose, CA 95128
Fax - 408-871-9515
