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Ram Lakhan Pandey Vimal

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Thank you, Satya ji.

 

In DPV~ICRDAM (spirituality-based Dvi-Pakṣādvaita Vedānta, which is equivalent to science-based Inseparable-Complementary-Reflective Dual-Aspect Monism), both (i) the experience of the highest degree of happiness (bliss) and (ii) the experience of being a vast, infinite invisible entity are conscious subjective experiences (CSEs). Each of these experiences has its own specific neural-physical activity and basis (NPA/NPB), functioning as the inseparable, complementary, and reflective non-subjective (ns) aspect of their respective conscious dual-aspect (DA) state (DAS) of Active Dynamic Self (ADS).

 

These meditative techniques establish specific neural networks, resulting in endogenous CSEs. They do not correspond to any external reality; in other words, there are no external entities or objects involved in these experiences. Instead, these experiences arise from within the yogis’ minds, specifically from their mind-brain systems.


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On Wednesday 10 September, 2025 at 01:03:32 pm GMT-4, SATYA YOG <origi...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Sir 

Remaining two techniques ' Bliss ' and ' Immortal ' are experience based , 

In bliss a person will experience blissful and know that he is a blissful being 

In immortal, a person will feel like he is a wast infinite invisible thing and because of kundalini power his body get will heal itself , so bliss , best health all will follow naturally 

Thanks 


On Wed, 10 Sep, 2025, 9:13 pm RamLakhan Pandey Vimal, <rlpv...@gmail.com> wrote:
1. From Claim to Evidence: A Scientific Roadmap for Evaluating Yogi Satya ji’s Techniques

Respectful Inquiry: How to Test and Publish the Effects of Yogi Satya ji’s Practices

 

Dear Satya ji,

Thank you for sharing your techniques and experiences. While your claims are remarkable, if we wish to present them to a wider audience—both spiritual seekers and the scientific community—we must follow scientific methodology. This will help ensure that the results are credible, reproducible, and respected internationally.

1. Importance of Scientific Evaluation

Extraordinary claims require systematic investigation (Popper, 1959). Spiritual or yogic techniques can indeed have transformative potential, but publishing in peer-reviewed high-impact journals requires well-documented evidence-based studies (Ioannidis, 2018).

2. Sample Size and Data Collection

For a pilot study, we should start with at least 10–15 participants (Creswell & Creswell, 2018). Randomly selected individuals ensure that results are not biased toward only highly motivated or exceptional cases.

3. Structured Questionnaire

We need to design a scientific questionnaire to measure psychological, physiological, and experiential outcomes of your techniques. Such tools are commonly used in clinical psychology and contemplative science (Davidson & Kaszniak, 2015).

Key measurable domains may include:

·         Physical health (energy levels, digestion, immune markers)

·         Psychological health (stress, depression, well-being)

·         Spiritual/experiential states (self-reported bliss, transformation)

Validated scales—such as the WHO-5 Well-Being Index or Perceived Stress Scale—can be integrated (Topp et al., 2015).

Excellent 👍 Here is a draft scientific questionnaire (10 questions) tailored for evaluating the effects of Yogi Satya ji’s techniques. It combines physical, psychological, and spiritual well-being measures, while remaining simple for participants to complete.

4. Controlled Methodology

To ensure reliability, studies should follow randomized controlled trial (RCT) or at least pre–post intervention designs (Schulz et al., 2010). This will allow us to compare outcomes between those practicing your techniques and those not practicing them.

5. Free Access and Ethical Research

As suggested, techniques should initially be kept free for study participants. Ethical research guidelines require informed consent and voluntary participation (Belmont Report, 1979).

6. Pathway to Publication

Once we collect data and analyze it statistically, we can submit results to journals such as:

·         Journal of Psychosomatic Research

·         Frontiers in Psychology

·         Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine

Such publications will bring both credibility and global recognition.

7. Long-Term Benefits

If results show measurable improvements, this will generate organic demand for your teachings. People will be more willing to invest once they see documented, peer-reviewed evidence of efficacy (Frazier, 2024).


8. Conclusion

Your techniques—whether "Heat," "Sun," "Bliss," or "Immortal"—may indeed carry great potential. To share them responsibly with the world, we must carefully test, measure, and publish the results. This path will allow both seekers and scientists to recognize the true value of your contributions.

 

With respect and collaboration,
Ram


References

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  • Creswell, J. W., & Creswell, J. D. (2018). Research design: Qualitative, quantitative, and mixed methods approaches. Sage Publications.
  • Davidson, R. J., & Kaszniak, A. W. (2015). Conceptual and methodological issues in research on mindfulness and meditation. American Psychologist, 70(7), 581–592. Link
  • Frazier, M. (2024). Consciousness research in contemplative practices. Frontiers in Psychology, 15, 1359. Link
  • Ioannidis, J. P. A. (2018). Meta-research: Why research on research matters. PLOS Biology, 16(3), e2005468. Link
  • Popper, K. (1959). The logic of scientific discovery. Hutchinson.
  • Schulz, K. F., Altman, D. G., & Moher, D. (2010). CONSORT 2010 statement: Updated guidelines for reporting parallel group randomised trials. BMJ, 340, c332. Link
  • Topp, C. W., Østergaard, S. D., Søndergaard, S., & Bech, P. (2015). The WHO-5 Well-Being Index: A systematic review of the literature. Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics, 84(3), 167–176. Link




On Wednesday, September 10, 2025 at 12:46:49 AM UTC-4 origi...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Sir 

It's not for everyone,  only a person who fulfilled his worldly desires, who need not to really bother for anything to earn and not really any responsibility that one can get it really fast , 

It should not be checked on all , it's really costly. It works guaranteed . I am the proof 

Thanks 

On Wed, 10 Sep, 2025, 2:59 am RamLakhan Pandey Vimal, <rlpv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Satya ji,

  • Keep everything free. 
  • We will collect data to evaluate the effects of your techniques and publish the results. 
  • This will generate interest in paying your fees.

Regards,
Ram

On Tuesday, September 9, 2025 at 7:22:52 AM UTC-4 origi...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All

Some one asked me to put the rates, i am sharing with you all 

Thanks 

Here I am giving the rates of spiritual techniques, if someone is in need then contact me on my email id with all your personal details and aim of life, 


1- Technique name "Heat" cost 10 lakhs rs this technique can use to save from cold upto zero degrees, it's takes 25 minutes but during sleep it doesn't works. 

2- Technique name" Sun " cost 45 lakhs rs
this technique is for digestion, cleaning the nerves,gives instant physical strength even in any severe disease ,it takes only 10 to 15 minutes to digest any food , it works for every age,  this technique works guaranteed (except dengue), it works in Delta varient COVID-19 effectively. It cure all severe disease like cancer, parkinson, sever dipression and slower down the ageing ageing 



3-Technique name "Bliss" Cost 200 crores rs

This technique is guaranteed easy it works in ten minute to one hour  but only a person can do who has no disease and has easy life

4- Technique name "Immortal" This technique includes all of above three  and effect of kundlini power,it takes five days , but a only person can get it who need only this it's cost is not decided, 


If anyone  has emergency case and few days left to survive from death due to any severe disease then it's cost according to situation*

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No Experience Yet Not Nothing: Interpreting Deep Sleep in Science and Vedānta

 

Dear Satya ji,

 

Short answer:

Yes, I agree that in deep sleep, we do not have CSE (conscious subjective experience) as we have during wakeful attentive conscious state. Per DPV~ICRDAM, a non-conscious state of an entity has related proto-consciousness (protoC) as subjective (s) aspect. For example:

(i) Deep_sleep_protoC as s-aspect and related NPA/NPB as inseparable, complementary, and reflective non-subjective (ns) aspect, and

(ii) Stone_protoC as s-aspect and related matter (stone’s consitutents’ elementary particles) as inseparable, complementary, and reflective non-subjective (ns) aspect. This is ChitPadartha in Sastryji’s NVYS system.

Long answer

Thank you very much for your thoughtful reflections on the different aspects of deep sleep. You have rightly pointed out that deep sleep is a universal natural experience—we all fall into it, and during that state it seems as if “we do not exist.” Indeed, in deep sleep there is no conscious subjective experience (CSE) of self, world, or even time. From the first-person perspective, it feels like nothingness.

You also mentioned that the statement “I slept well, I knew nothing” may not indicate a witnessing awareness, but rather a post-sleep memory and comparison: before sleep there was exhaustion, after sleep there is refreshment. I agree that this distinction is very important.

From the perspective of DPV~ICRDAM:

1. Absence of CSE in Deep Sleep:

In deep sleep, the active CSEs of wakefulness are indeed absent. The s-aspect is not “lost,” but it remains in its latent proto-conscious (protoC) form.

2. Dual-Aspect Structure (DAS) in Deep Sleep:

o    The s-aspect is deep_sleep_protoC: a non-conscious but potential form of subjectivity.

o    The ns-aspect is the neural dynamics of slow-wave oscillations, memory consolidation, and physiological repair processes.

o    These two aspects remain inseparable, complementary, and reflective, even though no active experience is presented.

3. Comparison with Other States:

o    In wakefulness, s-aspect = conscious experiences (thoughts, perceptions, emotions), ns-aspect = correlated neural activity.

o    In deep sleep, s-aspect = protoC (latent), ns-aspect = neural repair/maintenance processes.

o    In stone, s-aspect = stone_protoC, ns-aspect = stone’s physical constituents. This corresponds to Caitanya-padaartha (ChitPadārtha) as described in Sastryji’s Nyāya-Vaiśeṣika-Yoga-Sūtra system.

4. On Witnessing (Vedāntic nuance):

Advaita Vedānta interprets deep sleep as retaining a subtle “witness” (sākṣin). However, in DPV~ICRDAM, this can be reinterpreted as the persistence of protoC without structured CSE. The later recollection “I knew nothing” arises not from direct witnessing but from memory comparison: exhaustion before → refreshment after.


5. Table: Deep Sleep — Vedāntic Witness vs. DPV~ICRDAM ProtoC View

Let us add a short table contrasting Vedāntic witness view vs DPV~ICRDAM protoC view of deep sleep?


Perspective

What persists in deep sleep?

How do we explain “I slept well”?

Ontological Status of s-aspect

Advaita Vedānta

Witness (sākṣin) awareness continues, subtle but unmanifest

Due to witness’ registration of absence of experience

Awareness never ceases, only veiled

DPV~ICRDAM

Proto-consciousness (protoC) persists, but no active CSE

Due to memory comparison (exhaustion → refreshment) after waking

s-aspect remains latent, reflective but non-conscious


6. On Witnessing (Resolution)

Thus, I fully agree with your observation: there is no direct experience of deep sleep itself, only the after-effect memory of restoration. In DPV~ICRDAM, the body and brain function as the ns-aspect, while protoC remains as the s-aspect. This way, deep sleep is not absolute nothingness, but a non-conscious proto-conscious state within the inseparable dual-aspect framework.




Cheers!

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RāmLakhan Pāndey Vimal, Ph.D.

Amarāvati-Hīrāma i Professor (Research)  and President
Vision Research Institute Inc, Physics, Neuroscience, & Consciousness Research Dept.
7 Captain Parker Arms, Unit 12, Lexington, MA 02421-7016.
Researched at the University of Chicago and Harvard Medical Schools




On Thursday 11 September, 2025 at 01:20:28 pm GMT-4, SATYA YOG <origi...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Sir thanks for  different aspects on Deep sleep , 

There is one natural aspect of deep sleep and that practical aspect ,  as you also fall in deep sleep or nearly everyone falls in sleep deep sleep, 

As a normal experience of deep sleep experience, if we see minutely it's like  we don't exist , even we don't know that we are there or not  means nothing , completely no subjective aspect ,  like during deep sleep we don't exist ,  
And it's everyones normal experience, but np is there 

Same thing happens during unconscious fall due to any accident or sickness in the body , in this situation again we don't feel that we are present or not , meas we aren't there actually,

Now if you try to explain on this practical approach on the basis of your practical approach, 
S- aspect missing but ns- aspect is there , 

Brain and neurons,body function everything is there in deep sleep but we don't exist means s- aspect gets completely lost for that duration.


in deep sleep, the experiencer later says “I slept well, I knew nothing”—indicating the presence of a witnessing seed (ānandamaya kośa, causal sheath).
This above statement seems incorrect, it's not witness, it looks more memory,  

Before sleeping I was feeling completely exhausted but after sleep no exhaustion lefts.  So its memory and comparison of experiences but  no experience of deep sleep deep sleep.

Thanks 




On Thu, 11 Sep, 2025, 9:58 am Ram Lakhan Pandey Vimal, <rlpv...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Satya ji,


1. Deep Sleep and the Immortal State: A DPV~ICRDAM Perspective

Bliss, Bodylessness, and Witnessing in Deep Sleep: Reply to Satya ji


Thank you for sharing your profound experiential insights. You have beautifully differentiated between (i) bliss states involving subtle nerve activity, breath-like currents, and whole-body resonance, and (ii) the immortal / vast invisible state, which you describe as bodilessness, nervelessness, and experience-less-ness—sometimes felt as a dissolution of self.

Your question about deep sleep in relation to the DPV~ICRDAM framework is very important. Let me briefly explain:

1.     Dual-Aspect State (DAS):
In DPV~ICRDAM, every state of existence (entity) is a dual-aspect state, with the subjective (s) aspect and the non-subjective (ns) aspect being inseparable and complementary (Vimal, 2025a).

2.     Deep Sleep in Neuroscience:
From the ns-aspect perspective, deep sleep corresponds to global downscaling of cortical activity and reduced large-scale integration in the brain (Tononi & Edelman, 1998; Mashour et al., 2020).

3.     Deep Sleep in the s-aspect (Experience):
Subjectively, deep sleep is characterized as absence of differentiated experiences, yet Vedānta holds that a subtle seed of self-awareness (the witness) remains (Śaṅkara, Brahma Sūtra Bhāṣya 2.3.18). In DPV~ICRDAM terms, this corresponds to a minimal reflective state, where the s-aspect does not present structured contents (no thought, no perception, no memory replay), but the reflective interface between s and ns is still intact.

4.     Comparison with Bliss vs. Immortal States:

o    In bliss, as you note, subtle s–ns reflections are active—nervous activity (ns-asspect) mirrors subtle experiential joy (s-aspect).

o    In immortal/vast invisible, the structured reflection collapses, leading to an experience of experience-lessness. This is close to deep sleep, but with a critical distinction: in deep sleep, the experiencer later says “I slept well, I knew nothing”—indicating the presence of a witnessing seed (ānandamaya kośa, causal sheath). In contrast, your description of immortal state suggests conscious bodyless awareness, which Vedānta and DPV~ICRDAM recognize as distinct from unconscious deep sleep.

5.     DPV~ICRDAM Resolution:

o    Deep Sleep: Minimal reflective DAS → latent consciousness without manifest experience, ie., deep_sleep_protoconsciousness.

o    Immortal State: Transcendence of DAS contents while retaining subtle awareness of bodiless being → not unconscious, but supra-conscious.

Thus, while both feel like absence of normal experience, deep sleep is an unconscious reflective state, whereas the immortal state is a conscious transcendental reflective state.Both have their own neural-network and neural-physical acivity/basis (NPA/NPB). It is important to note that brain is active during deep sleep because consolidation of long term memory occurs.


It is important to note that the brain is active during deep sleep because consolidation of long-term memory occurs. Elaborate further on the activities in its neural network. What other functions are performed during deep sleep? Please provide citations and references. Make it scientific. Also add a small diagram (text-based) contrasting bliss, deep sleep, and immortal states within DPV~ICRDAM.


It is correct that deep sleep is not a “shutdown” of the brain—rather, it is a highly organized state with important functions for memory, immunity, and neural restoration. Below I’ve prepared a scientific elaboration plus a text-based comparative diagram as you requested.


1. Brain Activity in Deep Sleep

Deep sleep (also called slow-wave sleep, SWS) is the deepest stage of non-REM (NREM) sleep, characterized by synchronized oscillations in cortical and thalamic networks (0.5–4 Hz delta waves) (Steriade et al., 1993). Contrary to popular belief, the brain remains highly active during this stage but in a patterned, restorative manner.

Key Neural Activities:

1.     Memory Consolidation:

o    Hippocampal sharp-wave ripples and cortical slow oscillations coordinate to transfer short-term memories into long-term storage (Diekelmann & Born, 2010).

o    Particularly important for declarative memory (facts, events).

2.     Synaptic Homeostasis:

o    According to the synaptic homeostasis hypothesis, sleep downscales synaptic weights accumulated during wakefulness, preventing neural saturation and optimizing signal-to-noise ratio (Tononi & Cirelli, 2014).

3.     Glymphatic System Activation (Brain “Cleaning”):

o    Deep sleep increases cerebrospinal fluid flow, which clears metabolic waste such as β-amyloid, potentially protecting against neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s (Xie et al., 2013).

4.     Hormonal Regulation:

o    Growth hormone is secreted in pulses during deep sleep, supporting cellular repair, tissue growth, and metabolism regulation (Van Cauter et al., 2000).

5.     Immune System Boost:

o    Cytokine release during deep sleep enhances immune responses, reinforcing recovery and defense against infections (Irwin, 2015).


2. DPV~ICRDAM Interpretation of Deep Sleep

  • ns-aspect (neural/physical): Highly organized oscillations for consolidation, repair, and cleansing.
  • s-aspect (subjective): No structured experiential content, but a latent “I knew nothing, yet I slept well” awareness remains—reflecting a minimal reflective DAS.
  • Comparison: Unlike “bliss” (with joyful structured contents) or “immortal state” (with conscious transcendence of bodily identity), deep sleep reflects unconscious restoration within the DAS framework.

3. Text-Based Comparative Diagram

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State         | ns-aspect (Neural/Physical)    | s-aspect (Experiential)

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Bliss         | Subtle nervous activity,       | Joyful, radiant awareness,

              | whole-body resonance,          | linked with breath/energy.

              | integration of networks.       |

 

Deep Sleep    | Delta oscillations (0.5–4 Hz), | No differentiated experience,

              | memory consolidation,          |only seed of witnessremains.

              | glymphatic cleansing,          | Retrospectively: "I slept well."

              | immune strengthening.          |

 

Immortal      | Transcendence of normal        | Bodyless, nerveless,

(State)       | neural patterns, possible      | experience-less awareness

              | reduced bodily feedback.      | (supra-conscious reflection).

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4. References

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Mashour, G.A., Roelfsema, P., Changeux, J.P., & Dehaene, S. (2020). Conscious processing and the global neuronal workspace hypothesis. Neuron, 105(5), 776–798. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neuron.2020.01.026

Śaṅkara. Brahma Sūtra Bhāṣya (2.3.18). Translations available via Advaita Ashrama: https://advaitaashrama.org

Bliss, Deep Sleep, and Immortal States Compared: Neuroscience and DPV~ICRDAM Perspective

Deep Sleep as Neural Restoration: DPV~ICRDAM Insights on Memory, Immunity, and Awareness

Diekelmann, S., & Born, J. (2010). The memory function of sleep. Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 11(2), 114–126. https://doi.org/10.1038/nrn2762

Irwin, M.R. (2015). Why sleep is important for health: a psychoneuroimmunology perspective. Annual Review of Psychology, 66, 143–172. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-psych-010213-115205

Steriade, M., McCormick, D.A., & Sejnowski, T.J. (1993). Thalamocortical oscillations in the sleeping and aroused brain. Science, 262(5134), 679–685. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.8235588

Tononi, G., & Cirelli, C. (2014). Sleep and the price of plasticity: from synaptic and cellular homeostasis to memory consolidation and integration. Neuron, 81(1), 12–34. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neuron.2013.12.025

Van Cauter, E., Leproult, R., & Plat, L. (2000). Age-related changes in slow-wave sleep and REM sleep and relationship with growth hormone and cortisol levels in healthy men. JAMA, 284(7), 861–868. https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.284.7.861

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RāmLakhan Pāndey Vimal, Ph.D.

Amarāvati-Hīrāma i Professor (Research)  and President
Vision Research Institute Inc, Physics, Neuroscience, & Consciousness Research Dept.
Researched at the University of Chicago and Harvard Medical Schools


On Wednesday 10 September, 2025 at 09:49:13 pm GMT-4, SATYA YOG <origi...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Sir 

To get anykind of experience we need to use our senses , all nerves are nothing but senses so for bliss we don't use any senses , nor mind or brain,  but it's true in bliss brain nerves gets involved, because whenever bliss happens then i feel bliss in my all the inside body and brain , and like breath flows above my head ,it  like my hair became the passes nerves for bliss , and it's true 

But in immortal or wast invisible experience is actually is experience of bodylesness , experience less ness , nerve lessnes , it's little fearful, because it's like i will also disappear , 
in it  no body ,no mind , no thought, no concentration, no brain, no activity and no senses gets involves  ,

Dear Sir my question is with you 

Please describe During deep sleep, on the basis of "DPV~ICRDAM

Ram Lakhan Pandey Vimal

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Thanks, Yogi Satya ji, for supporting science.

DPV~ICDAM-based science can address the challenges of all 41 worldwide frameworks, including its own. 

There are 41 Vedantic and non-Vedantic Frameworks.[i]

For example, see 

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(A) Comparative 4-Level Table of Realms/Jagats

Tradition

Gross (Sthūla)

Subtle (Sūkṣma)

Causal (Kāraṇa)

Ultimate / Source

Śaṅkara (Advaita Vedānta)

Waking-world, perceptible material body and environment (vyāvahārika satya)

Subtle body (sūkṣma-śarīra): prāṇa, mind, intellect, sense-organs (empirical but finer level)

Kāraṇa-śarīra: seed state of ignorance (avidyā), causal sheath (ānandamaya kośa in some mappings)

Nirguṇa Brahman (NB): the only pāramārthika satya; Saguṇa Brahman (SB) and organs dissolve back here

Rāmānuja (Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta)

Sthūla-śarīra: physical body/world (acit in gross form)

Sūkṣma-śarīra: subtle body (prāṇa, antaḥkaraṇa, senses) enabling karma transmission across rebirth

Kāraṇa-śarīra: causal body as seed of future embodiments, stored in the jīva’s karmic structure

Supreme Brahman (SB, Viṣṇu–Nārāyaṇa) as ultimate reality containing both cit and acit in inseparable unity

DPV~ICRDAM

Heptagonal Cyclic Cosmology (HCC) (Vimal, 2025b, §4.2.8)[ii]:

States of Cosmos (Brahmāṇḍa): S1-S7

DA_SB~DA_PPU: gross aspect (reflective ns-aspect of body/world):

S4_ΛCDM

DA_SB~DA_PPU: subtle aspect (below physical detection threshold but experiential/functional, e.g. dreams, subliminal contrasts): S4_ΛCDM

DA_SB~DA_PPU: causal templates (EII/tanmātra-like information patterns preserved in NB): S2,S3,S4_ΛCDM

NB (neutral, unmanifest): phase-transition source from which DA_SB ~DA_PPU manifests and returns: S1 & S2

Sāṅkhya

Sthūla-jagat: perceptible world of elements (mahābhūtas)

Sūkṣma-jagat: tanmātras, subtle body (liṅga-śarīra) including mind, prāṇa

Kāraṇa level: mūla-prakṛti and evolved tattvas (mahat, ahaṃkāra) as seeds of manifestation

Purusha (plural selves, conscious principles) + Prakṛti (unconscious root matter): non-interacting dualism






[i] List of 41 Vedantic and non-Vedantic Frameworks

There are over 41 Vedantic and non-Vedantic Frameworks.  First 10 are sub-schools of Vedānta in the following list:

1. Brahma Sūtra Vedānta (BSVBādarāyaṇa/Vyāsa: 400–450)

2. Bhedābheda Vedānta (भेदाभेद, BAV: Bhāskarāchārya: 750-800) (Kato, 2010)

3. Advaita (AV, non-dualism, Ādi Śankarāchārya: 788-820),

4. Cit(non-physical aspect)-acit(physical aspect) Viśiṣṭādvaita (CAV, qualified non-dualism, Rāmānujāchārya: 1017–1137),

5. Dvaitādvaita Vedānta (DAV, Nimbārkāchārya: 1130-1200),

6. Dvaita Vedānta (DV, dualism, Mādhavāchārya: 1238–1317),

7. Shuddhādvaita Vedānta (SAV, pure non-dualism, Vallabhāchārya: 1479-1531),

8. Achintya-Bhedābheda (ABAV, inconceivable oneness and difference, Chaitanya Mahāprabhu, 1486-1534).

9. Vijñāna Vedānta (VV, Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa (1836 –1886), Swāmi Vivekānanda, and Sri Aurobindo) §1.11.16 of (Vimal, 2023b)

10. Spirituality-based Dvi-Pakṣādvaita Vedānta (DPV) and science-based Inseparable-Complementary-Reflective Dual-Aspect Monism (ICRDAM): (Vimal: 1947-)

 

The sub-schools 2, 4, 5, 8-10 are based on a dual-aspect view. For further detail, see Table 1 of (Vimal, 2012c) and tables of (Vimal, 2023).


11. Modern Materialistic Science (Multiple contributors over time, including Galileo, Newton, Einstein, and many others, such as about 646 Nobel Prize winners in science (as of 15 August 2024)): Fundamental Physical Laws and the Nature of the Universe       

12. Nyāya (Gautama a.k.a. Aksapada: 600 BCE): The Ancient Indian School of Logic and Epistemology  

13. Vaiśeṣika (Kaṇāda/कणाद: 600 BCE): The Ancient Indian ‘Aṇu’ (अणु) (Atomistic) Philosophy of Categorization and Particularity

14. Yoga (Patañjali/पतञ्जलि : 200 BCE-500 CE): Patañjali's Yoga: The Ancient Science of Mind and Self-Realization  

15. Nyāya-Vaiśeṣika-Yoga Science (NVYS): Fundamentals of ‘aṇu’ (अणु) – the technical   conceptualization of Model-Mensura of Conscious Matter Units, Categories and Causal Relationships  

16. Non-interactive dualism-based Sāṅkhya (Kapila)     

17. Buddhism (Siddhartha Gautama: the Buddha)

18. Cārvāka/Lokāyata Philosophy: No single founder, considered a lineage of materialistic thinkers ancient scientific system

19. Mīmāṃsā (Jaimini: 600 BCE)    

20. Shiva-Śakti Kashmiri Shaivism (KS: Utpaladeva, Abhinavagupta, &c) 

21. Sikhism (Guru Nanak)

22. Jainism (Mahāvīra: the 24th Tirthankara)

23 Islam (Prophet Muhammad)        

24. Christianity (Jesus Christ)  

25. Judaism (Abraham: the first patriarch): 

26. Baháʼí (Bahá'u'lláh) 

27. Cartesian Interactive Substance Dualism (René Descartes)  

28. Idealism (Plato)       

29. Zoroastrianism (Zoroaster: lived in ancient Persia (Iran) around the 6th century BCE)        

30. Taoism (Laozi: author of the Tao Te Ching)   

31. Confucianism (Confucius: Chinese philosopher 770-476 BCE)

32. Ancient Egyptian Religion (Pharaohs, Imhotep, Amenemope, Ptahhotep, Nubians, Libyans, and Mesopotamians: started before 3100 BCE)         

33. Transpersonal Psychology

34. Perennial Philosophy

35. Process Philosophy

36. Eco-Philosophy

37. Symbiotic Existential Cosmology (Chris King)[i]       

38. Mystical Art-Experience Framework (MAEF, Vivekanand Pandey Vimal)[i]

39. Sai Baba of Shirdi: Spiritual Master, Principles, and Profound Teachings[i]      

40. Consciousness as the Ground of Reality (CGR): Deepak Chopra's Holistic Paradigm         [i]

41Unity of Existence: Indo-Iranic Legacy (Mulla Sadra (1571–1640), Victor V. Motti (2025))

 




[ii] 

8 (4.2.8). Heptagonal Cyclic Cosmology (HCC)

From Neutral Nirguṇa Brahman to Manifested Reality: Cooling-Driven Cycles of Dual-Aspect Cosmic Evolution

 

The Heptagonal Cyclic Cosmology (HCC) with 7 states of cosmos (Brahmāṇḍa/ब्रह्माण्ड) is as follows:

 

S1 (NB) :     State S1 of cosmos (Brahmāṇḍa/ब्रह्माण्ड): <Neutral NB ~ neutral preBB_QVF with potentiality of quantum fluctuations (QFs)>  → (through symmetry breaking and phase transition)

S2  (SB):      State S2 of cosmos (Brahmāṇḍa/ब्रह्माण्ड): <manifested  DA_QF_SB ~ PreBB_QVF_QF with real manifested QF that led to BB>       →

S3  (SB):      State S3 of cosmos (Brahmāṇḍa/ब्रह्माण्ड): BB         → (through phase transition due to temperature drop from BB to pre_Planck epoch)

S4  (SB): State S4 is the current dual-aspect state (DAS) of cosmos (Brahmāṇḍa/ ब्रह्माण्ड): DA_SB~DA_UF (part of Lambda-CDM (ΛCDM), present universe)          →

S5 (SB): BF/HD/TD/BR/BC/MP (Big Freeze, Heat Death, Thermal Death, Big Rip, Big Crunch, Mahāpralaya)        →

S6  (SB):      <manifested Post_BF/HD/TD/BR/BC/MP_DA_QF_SB with real manifested QF>          →

S7 (NB) :     <neutral Post_BF/HD/TD/BR/BC/MP_QVF with potentiality of quantum fluctuations (QFs)>  →

S1 (NB) :    <Neutral NB ~ neutral preBB_QVF with potentiality of quantum fluctuations (QFs)> to complete one cycle



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Amarāvati-Hīrāma i Professor (Research)  and President
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Researched at the University of Chicago and Harvard Medical Schools




On Sunday 14 September, 2025 at 05:58:59 am GMT-4, SATYA YOG <origi...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear All 

I think we should follow Ram Sir and see and check it through scientific approach, only because we have complete confidence on scientific approach ,  science approach will find it's own way to prove something on the basis of facts and nature of it , 
But the main thing is that framework should definitely works and it's result and effects should satisfy spiritual results 

Thanks 

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