Fw: Thomas Chalmers & "the habitual vision of greatness" (continued, in conversation with Norman Gottwald) + CHRISTMAS

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Willis E. Elliott

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Dec 24, 2009, 10:09:35 PM12/24/09
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This morning, minutes after I saw (on BBC TV) the Senate pass the health bill, Norman Gottwald emailed me permission to share with you the interchange below.
 
You know Norman at least from his ('59) "A Light to the Nations: An Introduction to the OT" + ('79) "The Tribes of Yahweh: A Sociology of the Religion of Liberated Israel" + ('85) "The Hebrew Bible: A Socio-Literary Introduction."  I've known him 64 years, since he began to learn Greek from me, then became my assistant in Hebrew & Greek.  /  Before you read the below, I have a few reflections this Christmas Eve:
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Norman - for as long as I've known him, & probably longer - has steading viewed human societies from the bottom up, something he picked up from Jesus, whose mother sang of how upsetting this way of seeing could be (L.1.51-53).  (In the same vein, Tolstoy said judge a society "by its prisons.")
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"All the way down" has become a common phrase for thoroughness - e.g., that something is true "all the way down."  Well, it's hard for POWER to see all the way down to POWERLESSNESS.  The palace lights blind against seeing the people outside in the darkness.  From the Herodium, Herod could see Bethlehem; but he paid no attention to its babies until he heard that one of them might grow up to compete for his power.  And he was wise to fear: all the way down, in and under that Baby, was a Power greater than his.  All the way down to the center of the earth & of the universe.
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Norman's PhD dissertation was on Lamentations.  I suspected that he might have written "Lamentations" in "Harper's Bible Commentary" (1988), checked, & found that he did (when teaching at NYTheological Seminary).  Its five poetic laments are models of "grief work" ministry as their composers sweat out a "theology of active engagement with national crisis," communicating "directly and concretely with the demoralized survivors of 586 B.C" (the Babylonian capture of Jerusalem and exile of its upper classes) - Lamentations thus providing "a paradigm by which Jews and Christians might struggle with the meanings of calamity and work out strategies for living through world-shaking catastrophes...."  (Sidebar: At UTS/NY, Norman's PhD mentor [James Muilenburg] said to me, in Norman's presence, "If you and I, in our teaching careers, have two students of Norman's quality, we will be successes.")
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LAMENTATIANS, a "paradigm" for ministry to "the demoralized" in "world-shaking catastrophes" - including those of the 21st century: 9/11 (religion-based terrorism), econo-bubbies (Wall St., Main St., no st. [the homeless]), eco-deterioration (desertification, air/soil/water-pollution).....Theology's task is sense-making when "It just doesn't make sense" a sense-sorting when the people are confused by a profusion of senses (clashing paradigms).  The preformative, elliptical question for this task is this: What is God doing in light of what is happening to the people?  Theology can be done without reference to what is happening to the people, but Bible-based theology cannot.
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More than any of the other prophets, JEREMIAH uses the lament-form.  He bewails the corrupt, degenerate behavior of Judah's political, religious, even prophetic leadership, & proclaims that Babylon's pressure on Judah is of YHWH's doing: "Babylon would offer openings for renewed reformation along the lines of Josiah's aborted efforts" (p403 of Norman's "The Hebrew Bible...").  Jeremiah's "coexistence" party focused on what was happening to the people of Judah, against their rulers' "autonomy" party, which focused on what would happen to their power if Babylon overran Jerusalem.  Conflict: "interstate" or "interclass."  Power say Jeremiah's behavior as treasonous, but (p404) he (& his "party") were nonviolent, looking to "the impending intervention of Babylon to overturn a status quo they viewed as prejudicial to the real interests of the people and inimical to the known will of Yahweh" (which was the social equality of the pre-monarchic, tribal communities - a continuous theme through Norman's writings).  /  Again, so much potential light on today's world.  Can self-interested power (e.g., Wall St. & Main St., finance & business), when humiliated (as 2007-2009), turn to the good of the people (as, e.g., micro-finance, "social business")?  Or will power fancy up another romantic Garden of Eden without a snake?  Or was Kant correct: nothing straight can be fashioned from the twisted wood of humanity?  Or will God "draw straight with crooked lines" (in the full-come kingdom ["kindom," Norman likes to add] we pray for in the Lord's Prayer)?
 
A merry-thoughtful-prayerful Christmas.
 
Grace and peace--
Willis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Thomas Chalmers & "the habitual vision of greatness" (continued, in conversation with Norman Gottwald)

Dear Norman,
 
Thanks for your comments on Chalmers' "The Expulsive Power...."  I've numbered your paragraphs for my commenting.  (The "Attach" is relevant as on how to read the Bible: trying to help a pastor get past scribism - which I've been doing even before I met you in 1946.)
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"Let heart and mind, according well, / make one music as before, / but vaster."
Yes, Chalmers was into that vaster.....up against Hume's vaster mind than heart.  For Chalmers, nature has values continuous with the character of the Creator: for Hume, the universe has no Creator or values, only facts (values are OUR creatures, from our pecular admixtures of facts & feelings).  But, asked Chalmers, what are we to say of discovered regularities in the processes & patterns of the admixtures?  A present-day parallel: while Dawkins rejects "intelligent design," what (asks Stephen Meier) has he to say about the regularity, within the cell, of the particular programming running along the DNA to govern the intracellular processes?  /  Chaos theory is another parallel: myopia deludes the viewer into thinking that cosmos does not exist.  (So David Bentley Hart's latest book displays the delusion of Dawkins' "The God Delusion.")  /  Chalmers' sermon uses an observable human behavior as both revealer & predictor of the nonobservable reality that (to use #534 in the Episcopal hymnal) "God is working his purpose out as year succeeds to year / ...and the time is drawing near /...when the earth shall be filled with the glory of God as the waters cover the sea."  (As you know far better than I, Marx produced, on the basis of eco-processes, a secular version of this confidence.)
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I agree that TC's text is not a good fit for his theme, which is (as put plainly in 1Jn.2.15) that "the love of the Father" is the ultimate "new affection" which "expels" "the love of the world" (as one's personal experience of the completion of the cosmic Love-cycle from creation to consummation, [e.g.] the snake eating its tail).  /  His text, L.7.36-50, contrasts less love toward the Forgiver of less debt with more love toward the Forgiver of more debt.  /  Your suggested substitute text (if I read you aright) contrasts less with more demon-possession, mere cleanup being insufficient: an old passion loses its power only to a new passion.  While (as you say) that's psychotherapeutically sound, the text lacks TC's sermon's central "affection," viz. love.
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YES!  Implicit in *agape* as self-giving love is BEING good news (to the "neighbor," the world) as well as BRINGING good news.  (After I said something like this at the [Berlin 1966] World Congress on Evangelism, in response to John Stott's evangelism lecture, which didn't mention the gospel's social dimension, I was privately-officially asked to say no more from the floor during the remainder of the congress.)  /  I agree with your translating Jn.18.36 in a manner avoiding the possibility of an ascetic, other-worldly reading.  Context: Jesus' reference is not place (space-time locative) but type: "The type of my kingdom is not coercive, military."  (It is not "from here" - *enteuthen*; Lat., *hinc*; Luther's German - *von dannen* - is emphatic ["from HERE"].)  /  In Jn., "type" corresponds to "quality" (as in your reference to 3.16: God loves "the world" [people & what sustains them] & so makes possible for them, here & now, "eternal life").  /  "Worldness" is a neologism for virtural-world thinking, but let's use it here in the elative sense of the *kosmos* God intended/created/intends/loves - the sustainable world in which humanity flourishes to the glory of God and the good of his creation.  In this sense, God loves "worldness" & (e.g., 1Jn.1.15-17) hates worldliness (as described in vs.16, a virtual picture of the Wall St. collapse).  Amos Wilder's "Otherworldliness in the New Testament" (1954) makes the proper & useful distinctions.
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Chalmers died the year before Europe's 1848 uprisings with their stimulus to imaging new possibilities within "history."  But a more pertinent reason for his exaggerated emotional distance between loving the Creator & loving creation is rhetorical: for clarity, structural simplicity, & power, the sermon is radically EITHER/OR.  ("Structural simplicity," I say; we agree that it's not intellectually simple.  The structure is concatenation, a series of links on a single theme for cumulative effect - as in Heb. & Rev.   But one's words & works are interinterpretive, & Chalmer's social activism (including social structuring both to help the poor & to help the poor help themselves) should prevent our reading his words as God-loving/world-rejecting.  /  A current parallel is Rick Warren, who can't be read off as only a pietistic evangelical (& if he could, Obama wouldn't be regularly talking-praying with him).  This in his "The Purpose-Driven Life" (p42): "The Bible offers three [life-]metaphors that teach us God's view of llfe: Life is a TEST, life is a TRUST, and life is a TEMPORARY ASSIGNMNET.  These ideas are the foundation of purpose-driven living."  /  As I've often put it (& in substance did so in my formal interchange with Billy Graham at the NCC '66 Miami Beach Triennium), what does the Lord say to you after you "come forward" in an evangelist meeting?  He says, "Now turn around, and go love the world."
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Yes, I was there, & agreed with your point then as I do now.  E.C.Colwell made this point in his '41 course (which I took), "The Common Christian in Early Christian Times" (as he did also in his book, "The Fourth Gospel and the Struggle for Respectability").  /  Raymond Brown's last work on the Fourth Gospel puts more emphasis on its literary form, which (I've long believed) captures, for a Christian understanding of nature & history, the gnostic mentality (e.g., the antignostic "The Word became flesh" [1.14; cp. 1Jn.1.1: "we have heard...seen...our hands have touched, & 4.2: "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh"]).
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Yes, Chalmer's "praxis was ahead of his  theory" as expressed in this sermon.  Oh, blessed inadequacy!  DAVAR: would that our deeds outshine our words!
 
Norman, this exchange touches a number of concerns now under discussion in our UCC online OpenForum.  May I share it (not for other publication, of course)?
 
A merry Christmas & a blessed New Year!
 
Grace and peace--
Willis
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: Thomas Chalmers & "the habitual vision of greatness"

Dear Willis,

 

My fullest gratitude for forwarding this sermon of Chalmers

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 I have heard of its title without knowing the identity of the preacher.  I thought at first that I would not be able to get beyond the first paragraph or two--and that because of the rhetorical "overkill" that was the mark of his time.   However, I was amazed that such a sermon could ever have been delivered orally.  Frankly, I think it not to be oral prose, but a super-sophisticated argumentation that is repeated over and over again in altered ways that bespeak a resourceful mind.  It is nonetheless supremely cerebral, even though it paradoxically exalts the human heart in its desires and loves.  I seriously wonder about the composition of his congregation which, unless I misread the text, would necessarily have been highly educated in order to sit, or even sleep, through this magnificently verbose text.

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With the basic thesis, which is really the spine of the sermon, I largely identify.   In my judgment, a much  better text for his sermon would have been Matthew 12:43-45//Luke 11:24-26,  "When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then the person says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.'  And when he comes he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.  Then he goes and brings with him seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter and dwell there and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."  This says it all.   Incidentally, It is totally concordant with psychologically based therapy.

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I don't think Chalmers grasps the dialectic in the  love of world vs. love of God conundrum in John.   When Jesus allegedly says, "My kingdom is NOT OF this world," a far better translation would be, "My kingdom is NOT DERIVED FROM this world."     The kingdom (or kindom) of God, and intense love for it, does not separate us from the world but summons us into a simultaneous love of the world, precisely as the only object and site of the kingdom= kindom of God open to us.   Ponder John 3:16.  If God loves the world, are we not to love it?

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The power of a new affection is wonderfully, if tediously, expounded by Chalmers.  Yet his severance of the link between world (as God's creation) and God (as the world's creator) sadly diminishes, even undermines, the power of an affection that seems too remote from the world we know to have much of an effect or influence on the world we live in.   It is not only the HEART OF THE BELIEVER that is at stake. Critical also is the HEART OF THE WORLD, or more correctly, the HEARTS of the many polities, societies and cultures that constitute the world God is said to love.

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Willis, I seem to recall that at an SBL meeting long ago, I gave a paper on John, and you were there.  I don't have the text any more, but I believe I was arguing that the perspective on a believing community's  life in this world is not so different after all than that implied in the Synoptics.  John is not at all as ascetic and world-denying as his rhetorical arsenal, seen from our perspective, appears to be.

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All of this is not to deny that Chalmers made many significant contributions to life in this world, but only to suggest that his praxis was ahead of his theory.

 

Willis,  if I know you, you will like a bit of what I state, but find a good measure of fault in it.  What say you?

 

From an old student and admirer,

 

Norman

 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Willis E. Elliott" <elli...@charter.net>
To: "Confessing Christ O.F." <Confessi...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 6:35:28 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Thomas Chalmers & "the habitual vision of greatness"

THOMAS CHALMERS (1780-1847) was one of Scottish history's acknowledged greats - for his contributions in mathematics, natural science (including old-earth thinking before Darwin), the reconciliation of revelation & science (as Francis Bacon), politics (separation of church & state), philosophy (confronting the influence of Hume [d.1776]), Adam-Smith economics (helping the poor to help themselves), ecclesiology (separating congregations into groups of 60-100 families, each ministered to be an elder [for spiritual needs] & a deacon [for spiritual needs], pastoring ("Show me a people-going minister, and I will show you a church-going people."), & preacher (see "Attach," which I first read in '36-'37 Homiletics, as [said the prof] "one of history's 50 great sermons" - yes, we had to read them all]).  /  He's one I sometimes think of when "Greatness Passing By" comes to mind (the 1931 classic by the three Niebuhr brothers' older sister, Hulda).
 
In my mind & life-story, Hulda's "Greatness  Passing By" is associated with "the habitual vision of greatness," which was Whitehead's definition of the essence of education.
 
As a pre-Christmas present, I offer y'all GREATNESS in the person & work, & concretely this sermon, of Thos.Chalmers.  (The text?  L.7.36-50, on the love of the world OR of the Father.  One way he put his conversion from "the worthlessness of the things of the world" to "the worth of the things of God": "The world became the wilderness."  "The gospel is foolishness to those who view it through mortal eyes and reason."  But the gospel is practical: it assigns its believers not to flee the wilderness but to invade it with intelligent compassion.)
 
Grace and peace--
Willis
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