Sailmaster

[Aline Braunbeck]

Youcertainly pick pretty looking boats Don. H28's are very seaworthy boats, the only problem I see with this one is like most of what you have shown us, the price. This I think needs to come to about $1000 a foot to be dealable.

Surely looking interstate has to be a viable option based on prices in your home state.

I guess it is advertised for $32,500 but they are probably expecting to get in the high 20's

It condition in the photo's seem to be better than average and the only thing it doesn't have that i would like is a furling headsail

Does anyone know roughly how much it would cost to put a furler on to it and i assume the headsails would have to be altered to suit

The problem with looking interstate is the time and cost involved in going to look at something that might look good on the net but not in real life and if i bought interstate getting it down here

I looked at this one www.boatsalestas.com.au/sail-monohulls/sailmaster-845-eureka/133520/ the other day that is advertised for $29,500 and it is a bit tired looking and the one for $32,500 looks a lot better value out of the two of them with a more usable cabin layout because it doesn't have a V berth making the main cabin area a fair bit longer

Regards Don

Looks like a very clean boat but as LooseChange alludes to, price is everything. It's a buyers market, not a sellers.

Why not keep an eye out for boats on the market in Melbourne? That would certainly open things up a lot for you in terms of choice and price, and I doubt you'd have too much difficulty encouraging someone experienced to help you deliver it.

Select to expand quoteclaverton said..

Looks like a very clean boat but as LooseChange alludes to, price is everything. It's a buyers market, not a sellers.

Why not keep an eye out for boats on the market in Melbourne? That would certainly open things up a lot for you in terms of choice and price, and I doubt you'd have too much difficulty encouraging someone experienced to help you deliver it.

Your quite correct. That Mottle is cheap because the mooring fee per year in Port Philip and surrounding areas are so expensive. Its a lovely boat. When I sold my quarter tonner I had a buyer come up from Melbourne to look at it. He was keen but when he realised the annual mooring fee was going to cost him more than what I sold her for he withdrew. He sent me a check for $200 for my time!!!!

I like the 'glass H28s. Not the fastest boats about but seaworthy. Some about with quality gear and fit outs. Some also with a low entry fee.

Well to start, it may be difficult to find cassettes for the stereo?

Seriously though, I question the positioning of the thru-hulls for the head. They are asking to be kicked into potentially breaking off. Rerouting would be a pain but I would consider trying to box them in or look at the very best fitting you can get to ensure a stray kick doesn't ruin your day.

Check out this website for some really good info on the way a thru-hull should be done:

www.pbase.com:443/mainecruising/replacing_thruhulls

You can get furlers for hanked headsails, not sure how much they cost or how good they are. Or, you can DIY:

www.rlyachts.net/tips-furler.asp

I would also budget standing/running rigging replacement.

Being an estate sale, I would offer something truly ridiculous; unless the heirs are into sailing!

It's going to need money spent on it for sure and that will be you, not the broker nor the heirs!

FreeRadical said..

Well to start, it may be difficult to find cassettes for the stereo?

Seriously though, I question the positioning of the thru-hulls for the head. They are asking to be kicked into potentially breaking off. Rerouting would be a pain but I would consider trying to box them in or look at the very best fitting you can get to ensure a stray kick doesn't ruin your day.

Check out this website for some really good info on the way a thru-hull should be done:

www.pbase.com:443/mainecruising/replacing_thruhulls

You can get furlers for hanked headsails, not sure how much they cost or how good they are. Or, you can DIY:

www.rlyachts.net/tips-furler.asp

This is Tassie

They still sell cassettes in the shops down because we believe cd's are probably just a passing fad

I appreciate your point on the through hull fittings but i guess being exposed means that any leak would be picked up in a hurry and any corrosion issues would be obvious

If i end up with it i can probably take the sounder to antiques roadshow to be apprised as it may be a collectors item

On the subject of furlers i have contact the local shop to get a rough price to fit one and modify the head sails if possible to work with it

Is it a major drama to stay with the hanked

On the Jenneau i race on it has a furler but we have a couple of choices of headsail depending on wind conditions and we sometimes swap headsails during a race and it is not that much hassle so i am wondering if it would be the end of the world not to have a furler if the cost to install one was a bit steep

I guess one advantage is that the headsail hasn't been out in the sun getting uv'd from our hole in the ozone layer

Re the standing and running rigging i will ask for a approx price to replace that as well so the mast doesn't fall over in a blow

When i spoke to the son today he indicated they were keen to sell and it had been on the market (originally asking $35,000 and now asking $32,500) for a while so they might be flexible with the price and at the moment i am getting prices together for the stuff i will need to do (antifoul, survey to insure it, upgrade our mooring and the stuff we have already discussed) to see what it might cost on top of the purchase price

Regards Don

Looks pretty good Don, from the photos anyway.

Lots more room than the spacesailer 24 or 27, which I thought were good suggestions, as good as a compass....

And you can ask our opinions all you like, but you have to like/love/live with it!

Get a good survey is the best idea, out of the water, and if they don't find anything that's a deal breaker, get it anti fouled at the same time.

I woul suggest rigging would be around 4-6K depends on how much you can do yourself, or if you have any sailing mates that can help with that aspect, if the budget stretches, get the furler at the same time. Furler could be around 3k including modification to sails.

You could do the furler down the track. They are convenient, but we sailed without them for a couple of hundred years. And the forecasts are so good these days, that you can choose the right sail for the day. I like my furler because it gets the sail out of the boat and off the foredeck when anchored overnight.

Motor does look good, but for a broker to say it "presents as new" is a stretch in my book. That many hours, and that age of metal around salt water will never ever present as new again! Be great if you get another 5 -7 years.

That's my 2cents, knowing that any boat of that age will require maintenance the price should reflect this, and I agree with the above.....don't be afraid of making a low offer.

Good luck

Rick

$4-6K for new rigging? I suspect that may be slightly optimistic. If rigging is a lot more than 10yrs don't even think about not replacing it straight away. I got a quote (Sydney) a while ago for new standing rigging, furler and most of the running rigging converted from wire to spectra halyards for a Farr 1020. I can't quite remember the number but I know it was a hell of lot more than $10K...

Nav instruments another major expense if yacht hasn't already got them ... I'm talking depth, speed log, & preferably masthead wind (direction & speed) instruments running on NMEA 0183 or 2000; these are expensive to buy & install. Of course these aren't compulsory like rigging but it means a boat without them is a lot more expensive (at the same price) than a boat with them.

Check it's got full set of nav lights, including deck and masthead.

The other money pit is re-doing the electrics if they've got any age on them. It's these expensive big ticket items that need to be factored into the purchase price of any boat you're considering. Oh, sails of course another big ticket item...expensive! Not just main and headsail, but light wind and downwind sails as well. Add new standing and running rigging and full set of decent sails onto the purchase price and see how the number changes!

If you're going to get a survey obviously don't use one recommended by the broker.

If you buy and decide to down grade the sounder could I have first option. I have the Lowrance version on my tender and another for my yacht. These are one of the most useful bits of kit you can buy. Coloured versions of the flasher sounders sell for about $800 on Amazon.

Like all the interior. The winches on the mast are going to be a handicap for a husband/wife combo as are the low tech main winches. Will need lazy jacks and a furler conversion for family sailing but they are things that can be done at anytime.

If you intend to insure comprehensively you will need a survey, otherwise I would not bother. The photos tell all you need to know.

Select to expand quoteclaverton said..

$4-6K for new rigging? I suspect that may be slightly optimistic. If rigging is a lot more than 10yrs don't even think about not replacing it straight away. I got a quote (Sydney) a while ago for new standing rigging, furler and most of the running rigging converted from wire to spectra halyards for a Farr 1020. I can't quite remember the number but I know it was a hell of lot more than $10K...

Nav instruments another major expense if yacht hasn't already got them ... I'm talking depth, speed log, & preferably masthead wind (direction & speed) instruments running on NMEA 0183 or 2000; these are expensive to buy & install. Of course these aren't compulsory like rigging but it means a boat without them is a lot more expensive (at the same price) than a boat with them.

Check it's got full set of nav lights, including deck and masthead.

The other money pit is re-doing the electrics if they've got any age on them. It's these expensive big ticket items that need to be factored into the purchase price of any boat you're considering. Oh, sails of course another big ticket item...expensive! Not just main and headsail, but light wind and downwind sails as well. Add new standing and running rigging and full set of decent sails onto the purchase price and see how the number changes!

If you're going to get a survey obviously don't use one recommended by the broker.

Not wishing to get into any arguments, if you want to get a full mast service, including painting, all new exit blocks and sheaves, and every bit of running rigging replaced, new wiring up to the mast head etc etc whilst the mast is out of the boat, yes it will cost you more than 4-6K. However, if you just need the standing rigging replaced on a boat that size....(as the comment was made that it was thought to be original, which I doubt) 4K would go pretty close. I think of my own ability when thinking about these things, and I wont pay a rigger for doing my running rigging as I do it all myself, at my age I still go to the masthead and replace my sheaves and mast head light bulb, run my own halyards etc and buy stuff in bulk online.

and the mast does not have to be pulled just to do the standing rigging as it will quite happily sit there held up by halyards whilst you are getting the stays made up.

A farr 1020 is a much bigger boat that would attract a higher cost for obvious reasons.

with regard to electronics, just for cruising around your own backyard, a good VHF and depth sounder are all you really NEED, the rest are luxuries on a boat that does not go to sea on a regular basis. My Ipad and Iphone have great programs that I have been using for a few years, a local chart, beacon to beacon, is fine for just a weekend up the broadwater or down to yamba.....and I don't need a wind instrument to tell me I am overpowered and it is time to reef. A good look at the forecast will give you an idea of what sail you will need on the day.

And as Ramona says, the mast mounted winches aren't much fun sailing 2 up!

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