London meeting -- tentative abstract...?

[Edwin Budding]

Sevgili meslektaslarim ---

 

Eylul Londrada mitingicinde asagide benim oneri bulundur.

 

Lutfen, sizde vakit olursa, daha sonra cevabiniz gonderceksiniz.

 

En iyi dileklerimle --

 

Ed

 

Biospheric functioning and stability

Astrobiology Group,

Çanakkale Onsekiz Mart University

Çanakkale, TR 17020, Turkey　

　

Abstract

We utilize the physical properties of a hypothetical molecular schema giving rise to an autocatalytic biosphere. A key concept is the driving of terrestrial life as a parametric oscillation: i.e. that the biosphere behaves fundamentally as an oscillating system into which solar energy is diurnally deposited. The schema contains the following components: A - a molecule that temporarily stores a local energy excess. B - a catalyst that, making use of the local energy excess, catalyses also itself. B comes in a small number of slightly different forms, involving different reaction steps. There is also C - a disposable molecule, that assists and tunes the response of the A and B molecules to the solar input. These components act together in a 'bottom-up' driving mechanism underlying all biospheric superstructure.

Surviving modes of the oscillation are consistent with Darwinian organization, or hierarchical structures appearing to have top-down propagation through the growth of cellular replication.

Although the growth in total energization is very slow, it is important to notice its exponential character, suggestive of potential instability.

The model is generally applicable to expectable processes on other planets, including zonal segregation, and Haeckel's biogenic principle. Fermi's exobiological paradox can be resolved in terms of the exponential growth and low L solutions of Drake's equation. Suggestions on supportive fossil evidence are also offered.

　

　

[Mehmet Emin Ozel]

Ed, text  looks fine, but I would like to know the new ingredients oenly (if any)?
 
I am now with osman at antalya for a TUG meeting and discussing on OOS draft.
i am hoping to send you my 'revision' soon. if you have any question relevant to him and me, just write it now... 

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:18:37 +1300
Subject: [ÇOMÜ Astrobiology] London meeting -- tentative abstract...?
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[Edwin Budding]

HI Mehmet --

 

Mesajiniz icin tesekkurler.

Please give my regards to Osman.

 

By the way, I am giving a course that includes some OOS work here in Wellington.

I am planning to use some version of the book's draft text as background notes for the course.

This should help to get this material back into focus -- and maybe help with some

development of the material.

 

Concerning the Abstract -- yes, the first paragraph indicates a brief review of the OOL model

we developed already.

The remaining paragraphs -- essentially the second half of the abstract -- refers to the various new ideas

we had since then -- for example, hierarchical structures (I gave an example in the RASNZ paper

last month);  similarly with the instability problem (relating to greenhouse effect, light pollution, wastage

problems etc).  Zonal segregation, Haeckel's principle, the Fermi paradox discussions -- none of those

were in the original paper.

But we need the model to be able to discuss them -- and therefore the abstract refers to the original model.

The first paragraph could perhaps be shortened.

 

Best wishes,

Ed

[Edwin Budding]

By the way --

it is also possible that we may include something about the positive and

negative entropy growth discussion in this paper.

 

We need to be able to relate an equation like (9) in Gungor's

paper to the proof of Boltzmann's equation,

and in order to progress with that -- I think -- we need

some little bit clearer idea about the meaning of "temperature"...

 

I think this refers to the connection between the photon field
and the particle kinetic energy field in adiabatic changes ---

but I am not sure about that at present.

Let's see how it goes.... please feel free to comment.

 

As ever,

Ed

[ggu...@metu.edu.tr]

Dear Ed,
I wonder if the development of complexity can be touched on within the
context of nonautonomous nature of oscillations in time?
Sincerely.
G�ng�r G�nd�z
*************************************************

> Sevgili meslektaslarim ---
>
> Eylul Londrada mitingicinde asagide benim oneri bulundur.
>
> Lutfen, sizde vakit olursa, daha sonra cevabiniz gonderceksiniz.
>
> En iyi dileklerimle --
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> Biospheric functioning and stability

> *
>
> Astrobiology Group,
>
> �anakkale Onsekiz Mart University
>
> �anakkale, TR 17020, Turkey
>
> Abstract
> *

>
> We utilize the physical properties of a hypothetical molecular

> *schema*giving rise to an autocatalytic biosphere. A key concept is

> the driving of
> terrestrial life as a parametric oscillation: i.e. that the biosphere
> behaves fundamentally as an oscillating system into which solar energy is

> diurnally deposited. The *schema* contains the following components: A - a

> molecule that temporarily stores a local energy excess. B - a catalyst
> that, making use of the local energy excess, catalyses also itself. B
> comes
> in a small number of slightly different forms, involving different
> reaction
> steps. There is also C - a disposable molecule, that assists and tunes the
> response of the A and B molecules to the solar input. These components act
> together in a 'bottom-up' driving mechanism underlying all biospheric
> superstructure. Surviving modes of the oscillation are consistent with
> Darwinian organization, or hierarchical structures appearing to have
> top-down propagation through the growth of cellular replication.
>
> Although the growth in total energization is very slow, it is important to
> notice its exponential character, suggestive of potential instability. The
> model is generally applicable to expectable processes on other planets,
> including zonal segregation, and Haeckel's biogenic principle. Fermi's
> exobiological paradox can be resolved in terms of the exponential growth

> and low *L* solutions of Drake's equation. Suggestions on supportive

> fossil
> evidence are also offered.
>

[ggu...@metu.edu.tr]

Hi,
I think to handle 'the connection between the photon field
and the particle kinetic energy field' is a difficult problem for the time
being. I wonder if to assume the direct correspondence between them as in
the Planck's equation help anything?

Sincerely.
G�ng�r G�nd�z
******************************

>>> ------------------------------

>>> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:18:37 +1300

>>> Subject: [�OM� Astrobiology] London meeting -- tentative abstract...?

>>> From: ed.bu...@gmail.com
>>> To: comu-ast...@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Sevgili meslektaslarim ---
>>>
>>> Eylul Londrada mitingicinde asagide benim oneri bulundur.
>>>
>>> Lutfen, sizde vakit olursa, daha sonra cevabiniz gonderceksiniz.
>>>
>>> En iyi dileklerimle --
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Biospheric functioning and stability

>>> *
>>>
>>> Astrobiology Group,
>>>
>>> �anakkale Onsekiz Mart University
>>>
>>> �anakkale, TR 17020, Turkey
>>>

>>> *

>>>
>>> Abstract
>>> We utilize the physical properties of a hypothetical molecular

>>> *schema*giving rise to an autocatalytic biosphere. A key concept is the

>>> driving of
>>> terrestrial life as a parametric oscillation: i.e. that the biosphere
>>> behaves fundamentally as an oscillating system into which solar energy
>>> is

>>> diurnally deposited. The *schema* contains the following components: A
>>> -a molecule that temporarily stores a local energy excess. B

>>> - a catalyst that, making use of the local energy excess, catalyses
>>> also
>>> itself. B comes in a small number of slightly different forms,
>>> involving
>>> different reaction steps. There is also C - a disposable molecule, that
>>> assists and tunes the response of the A and B molecules to the solar
>>> input.
>>> These components act together in a 'bottom-up' driving mechanism
>>> underlying
>>> all biospheric superstructure.
>>> Surviving modes of the oscillation are consistent with Darwinian
>>> organization, or hierarchical structures appearing to have top-down
>>> propagation through the growth of cellular replication. Although the
>>> growth in total energization is very slow, it is important to notice
>>> its
>>> exponential character, suggestive of potential instability.
>>> The model is generally applicable to expectable processes on other
>>> planets, including zonal segregation, and Haeckel's biogenic principle.
>>> Fermi's exobiological paradox can be resolved in terms of the
>>> exponential

>>> growth and low *L* solutions of Drake's equation. Suggestions on

[Edwin Budding]

HI --

 

Yes -- I am still trying to think about this.

 

the only possible line of answer I have thought of so far

is that of "detailed balancing" that astronomers sometimes

used when considering how the absorption lines are formed

in stellar spectra.   because sometimes there is

a "disequilibrium phenomenon" and it is thought that

detailed balancing may not occur.

 

Perhaps this happens during rapid adiabatic expansions of

gases -- for a time -- but i cannot exactly visualize what

happens to the photon field inside the enclosure during

such a change. (It is usually assumed -- for example

in the experiment of Clement and Desormes -- that

the external photon field will eventually reassert itself

also within the enclosure.

But -- you are right -- perhaps this aspect of the discussion

is not quite so relevant to the context of the conference

we have in mind.

 

Best wishes,

Ed

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:41 AM, <ggu...@metu.edu.tr> wrote:

Hi,
I think to handle 'the connection between the photon field
and the particle kinetic energy field' is a difficult problem for the time
being. I wonder if to assume the direct correspondence between them as in
the Planck's equation help anything?
Sincerely.

Güngör Gündüz

>>> Subject: [ÇOMÜ Astrobiology] London meeting -- tentative abstract...?

>>> From: ed.bu...@gmail.com
>>> To: comu-ast...@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Sevgili meslektaslarim ---
>>>
>>> Eylul Londrada mitingicinde asagide benim oneri bulundur.
>>>
>>> Lutfen, sizde vakit olursa, daha sonra cevabiniz gonderceksiniz.
>>>
>>> En iyi dileklerimle --
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Biospheric functioning and stability
>>> *
>>>
>>> Astrobiology Group,
>>>

>>> Çanakkale Onsekiz Mart University
>>>
>>> Çanakkale, TR 17020, Turkey
>>>