Computational creativity system in music domain

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Celso França

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Sep 29, 2016, 10:01:12 AM9/29/16
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Hello,

In the article: “A Culinary Computational Creativity System” from  Florian Pinel, Lav Varshney and Debarun Bhattacharjya,  is described a computational creativity system that can automatically design culinary recipes.

Like the authors say, recipes created by the computational creativity system have been rated as more creative than existing recipes in online repositories by expert judges and professional chefs have indicated that the system helps them explore new vistas in food. 
Is there a similar system in music domain?

Nick Montfort

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Sep 29, 2016, 10:15:28 AM9/29/16
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Without answering your question, I wanted to mention that novelty and
creativity is usually strongly culturally desired in music, at least in
the US and the West, whether one is talking about avant-garde string
quartet pieces or popular music forms (hip hop, pop, indie rock). People
are interested in hearing the latest, new music, which for instance is
what drives the music industry.

When it comes to cusine, on the other hand, people most often value
tradition, family recipies, and memorable dishes from their culture,
country, or locale. There are innovators of course but it is more often
typical to be authentic, solid, and traditional rather than creative.

This is probably obvious to everyone but I take the opportunity to do my
work as as "context provider" whenever I can. I'm interested to know the
actual answer to the question, too.

-Nick
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Celso França

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Sep 29, 2016, 10:49:50 AM9/29/16
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Yes, I totally agree.

The novelty of an artifact can only be measured in relation to a context of known artifacts. Similarly, different contexts have unique ways to value an artifact. In the music domain this fact becomes more evident.

Joe Corneli

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Sep 29, 2016, 12:38:06 PM9/29/16
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Nick Montfort <ni...@nickm.com> wrote:
>
> Without answering your question, I wanted to mention that novelty and
> creativity is usually strongly culturally desired in music, at least in the
> US and the West, whether one is talking about avant-garde string quartet
> pieces or popular music forms (hip hop, pop, indie rock).

> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Celso França wrote:

>> Is there a similar system in music domain?

Nick's comment above suggests innovation at the structural level, but
that's harder than e.g. harmonization or theme-and-variation.

A few music related things you might want to check out:

http://www.flow-machines.com/ai-makes-pop-music/
http://dorienherremans.com/morpheus
http://bregman.dartmouth.edu/turingtests/
Related: http://axon.cs.byu.edu/ICCC2015abstracts/12.1Screene.pdf

Perhaps a challenge to that view:
http://slab.org/oxford-handbook-on-algorithmic-music-draft-toc/
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