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feebz

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Dec 2, 2009, 2:21:21 AM12/2/09
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Hi Everyone

As much as i love my C28 (Lindeana Barbara) i am
considering up sizeing to a Compass 38, and would like to here from
anyone that has anything to say about them, as i have never sailed or
been on a C38 & dont even no anyone with one, i like the lines and
layout of the C38, would just like to here how she shapes up & sails
on the water, compared to our boats, or is it that simple that all the
Compass boats, come up Trumps

Cheers
shane

Colin Green

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Dec 2, 2009, 2:28:49 AM12/2/09
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If you're going to upsize that much Shane, look at the Arends 33 - beautiful yacht.

But your C28 will be MUCH easier to sail and far snugglier for you and Charlie.

:-)

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feebz

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Dec 2, 2009, 6:39:43 AM12/2/09
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Hi Colin
Thanks for that, i looked at the Arends 33, some time ago,
way back befor the Compass 28/29's i looked at, i bought my C28
because i liked her lines & style of keel & most of she was cheap,
(she needed a lot elbow grease & TLC ) plus she'll go under the 2
bridge's, from memory the Arends is a bilge keeller, (not my thing) i
like a lot of boat under the water, (hey thats just me), i dont mind
the Swanson's, i have a thing for the South Coaster 36, and after
looking through Geoff's pic's the other day, and seeing the diagrham
and lay out of the C38, have a new contestant as all i'm really after
is the C28 stretched out, , i did'nt no there was a C38, Charlie wants
to sail up to the Whitsundays in the Lindeana Barbara, i reckon the
C28 is perfect for what we do around here, ( Lake Mac, Hawksbry,
Sydney harbour, Newie, Port Stevens and weekends, i no a couple how
sail up North in there (Top hat 25) Helen writes the odd story for
CH, i would like something just a little bit bigger, and me being a
bit old fashioned & Loyal think that the C38 would fit the bill
nicely, as i really like her lines, and now i cant seem to be able to
put the print out down (thanks Geoff), i cant seem to find any write
ups on them, maybee it's a sign to keep with what i got

cheers shane

Colin Green

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Dec 2, 2009, 4:33:43 PM12/2/09
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Hi Shane,

We too have been thinking of something bigger and liked the Arends 33. I liked the idea of the bilge keel as it enables us to get into more ports on the East Coast - which is what it was designed for. But you are a true sailor and I'd be very interested in hearing why you don't like that. Stability?

I know your problem with the C28 as regards space. But it's the BEST sailing vessel! Much easier than the C29 which can be important on a long trip or a blow. I moved from a C28 to a C29 and for a long time wished I had not (now I'm thinking that the C29 is too small!)

I know nothing of the C38 either. Hope someone can help on that! It's likely very different in many more respects than just size.

Colin

feebz

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Dec 3, 2009, 11:12:58 PM12/3/09
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Hi Colin
I think the bilge keelers are a great idea for sailing in
the more sheltered and shallower waters, and if i lived up North
around the Great Sandy Straits or the Whitsundays there would
deffantly be a bilge keeler of somesort hanging of my mooring, i
looked right into the Aends 33, and was lead to believe that they were
the choice of yachts for the airline pilots in the 80's, if you were a
pilot you had a Arends 33 built, and then sailed her up the East Coast
to the Whitsundays, big volume boat that can be sailed anywhere,
('big' compared to ours)

i dont think a vessel being a bilge keeler would effect the
stability that much, as the keel is for gripping onto and shoving the
vessel through the water, it's the ballast that gives the vessel it's
stability, and i reckon most of the ballast in a bilge keeler would be
in bottom of the hull, rather than the keeles, unlike a keeled boat
that has the ballast in the keel, the only reason vessels capsize when
they lose their keel, is because the ballast go's to the bottom with
with the keel, ( no keel no ballast no stability) ,

i reckon there will be a bit of a differance in how high you can
point into the wind, but hey what is lost there is probally made up in
speed, and who's racing anyway, so at the end of the day all is
equal,

I have always had a thing for displacement hulls and big keeled
boats, they may go through the water a bit slower, but it will be a
much more compfortable and gracefull ride,,as they squash any little
bumps or pot holes out of the way, they are also a bit more forgiving
which in my case is something i really need, cause i tend to fill the
glass'es right up

cheers shane
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Colin Green

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Dec 3, 2009, 11:52:25 PM12/3/09
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Hi Shane,

Really interesting... Long term Hendrika and I plan to sail away to other countries and the last thing we'd want is any increase in the ability to capsize. We do rather have our eye on Arends 33 but now I hesitate as I see your point.

Interetsed in your thoughts on the ride. Surely it's the "vee" rather than depth of the keel that makes for that? Wouldn't the bottom of the yacht be far enough below the surface not to have any effect? Thinkng thinking.

And yes I also see you point on the ability to point. Could be importnat with a pirate behind you!

Thanks Mate!

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feebz

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Dec 4, 2009, 5:14:15 PM12/4/09
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Hi All
As we all no the shape & design of the hull is going to
affect the way a vessel go's through the water, other than the speed
and the way the boat is gliding over or pushing it's way through the
water, we would'nt be able to tell the differance between a racing
yacht or a cruiser (as far as ride go's), until the weather gets
nusty, or the wind and current changes, and that nice eazy rolloing 3m
swell you have been enjoying, starts standing up and pitches your bow
right up high into the sky, to only have air on the other side,
followed by another 3m swell with a two foot crest of white water on
top waiting to greet you when you hit the bottom, now how hard you hit
the bottom and what sort of a shutter gets sent through the vessel &
your bones will depend on what kind of hull your've got, the flat
bottom fast hull, with super long knife keel, ( it's gotta hurt), now
the next wave with the cresting white water on top, is about to slam
into and on top of you, what happens next next, are you going to feel
a great big knock and have white water flying everywhere, or are you
just going to get bowled straight over, maybe your going to get
drive'n back or sideways for a bit, either way it's not going to be
pretty, when the conditions arnt perfect i like things to be nice an
slow and doe-sile, so the beer dose'nt get shack'n up to much, so it's
a nice heavy, full-ish length keel displacement hull for me,
( remember i live out at sea )

When i mentioned pointing, it was just a differance i thought there
would be between the different keels , I'm sure there heaps of sailors
out there who could jump on any boat and out point every vessel
insight, regaurdless of the keel, ( pirates use jet boats now-days)

When buying a boat it all comes down to what you want to do with it
and were you want to go, you must be happy, confident and compfortable
with your choice of ship, there's no point buying something that is'nt
going to do the job for you, that's were the compramise comes into it,
and the Arends 33 is a classic ex-sample of it, seaworthy, big volume,
yet can Navigate the shallower waters, perfect for the cruising that
you & Hendrika a planing on doing up an down the East Coast, and as
you build up the sea miles in your log book, you will no weather or no
she's the vessel to do thoses big ocean crossing voyages,

Cheers shane

Colin Green

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Dec 6, 2009, 5:11:42 PM12/6/09
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GREAT to chat on Sunday Shane! Unreal where mobile phone work now - you were way out at sea! I'm looking forward to catching up in January on the Lake.

This is really useful info. We really loved the Arends but I now do see your point. Maybe, as you say, it's the Arends first to get into all of those interesting places up the coast. Then something deep keel for the BIG TRIP.

There is a LOT to learn about yachting but the wonderful thing is that even if all one can do raise the sails and hang on we can still enjoy the excitement and bliss while we learn.

Colin

Kyeemah

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Dec 6, 2009, 8:01:40 PM12/6/09
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Shane
There is always the well proven S&S 34. I know they have good pointing
ability and there have been many sailed in the Syd to Hobart without
problem.

Another I have always been interested in is the Joubert designed
Brolga 33. They are hard to come by but there is one on boatpoint at
the moment :http://boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/details.aspx?
R=3078695

What impressed me about the Brolga was reading Alex Whitworths log. He
has sailed the boat in numerous Syd to Hobarts, Fastnet etc. In one S
to H it was considered to have a good chance in the rankings if there
was heavy weather.

There is a particular entry in his log going round Cap Horn with
85knot gusts and 30m waves. He still managed to write the log and only
quit because he was worried about losing the laptop off the table.

The log entry is ‘Sitrep: 2000hrs 29 Mar 2005 UTC 46’27”S 050’35”W Map
Ref 133’ at www.berrimilla.com/log/TheLog10.htm

Others in the same vein are the the Nicholson 38 and as you say
Swansons.

I came across a fantastic databse last month. I will see if I can find
it again. You can search for boats according to length, seagoing
stability, ballast ratio etc.
Ian

Kyeemah

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Dec 7, 2009, 9:52:38 AM12/7/09
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Shane the link to the yacht database is:
http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html
Compass 29 and 38 are there. You can compare the basic qualities of
the two boats.
I just submitted the data for Compass 28. See if it turns up soon. Not
sure I got the sail area right for 100% fore triangle and main at
293.1sq feet.
Most boats are American I think but still very interesting.

Ian

Colin Green

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Dec 7, 2009, 5:18:14 PM12/7/09
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Ian,

That's a pretty impressive web page! Really interesting info!

Colin

Maeling

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Dec 8, 2009, 4:04:07 PM12/8/09
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Good choice Shane, Keeping it in the family. I have put a web link off
the HOME page menu WEBLINKS that explains some of the story of the
C38.

Merry Christmas

Geoff & Lynne Raebel

feebz

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Dec 8, 2009, 4:42:43 PM12/8/09
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Hi Ian
i checked out your link, how cool is that, i played with it
for quite some time,
Thanks Shane

feebz

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Dec 8, 2009, 5:11:58 PM12/8/09
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thanks Geoff

Thats excellent, Charlie has been sending me
emails, pictures and the location of C38 for sale, (there's not a
lot around) and she is getting real excited about me comming home on
Saturday so we can go check them out, ( i think she dose really miss
me though, it's not just the boats) , Anyhow now Charlie is getting
all sentamental about our Lindeana Barbara C28, and to be honest so am
i a bit, We still have a bit more cruising to do in her yet, but in
the event of the wright boat comming along, the worst case sanario
would be i'd have two boats to sail around on & would have to make up
a roster, so i could'nt be acused of sailing one more than the other,

Cheers Shane

mark...@markevans.org

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Dec 8, 2009, 9:05:57 PM12/8/09
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Having 2 yachts isn't ideal. I'll be glad to sell the old one :(

I've upgraded recently to a bigger boat and I can highly recommend it if it fits your circumstances (used a lot) and finances. I'm glad I started out on the smaller boat though. The forces involved with the 17 tonne sloop are scary! Also it was nice to explore up the Hawkesbury etc in a boat that could fit under the bridges. The deep draft, high mast and lack of maneuverability is not the best.



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feebz

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Dec 8, 2009, 10:26:50 PM12/8/09
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Hi Mark

you have up sized, 17 tonnes what sort of vessel is she,
i dont no what you had befor, but i bet you have noticed a bit of
differance in the stopping distance and turning circle,

mark...@markevans.org

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Dec 9, 2009, 1:16:51 AM12/9/09
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Yeah we weren't expecting such a big jump in size but it was nice and cheap :)

The boat is a steel Roberts Mauritius 44. It had been rotting up at Toronto on Lake Mac for the last 5 years. If you are from there you may have seen it. Big blue thing called "Blue Bayou".

Manouvoring it is SO different to the Compass Westerly. My heart starts beating fast whenever I'm approaching anything solid. I'm slowly getting the hang of it but the consequences of a serious mistake don't bear thinking about. I've already caused quite a bit of fear in my fellow boaties. The latest incident happened a couple of weekends ago. I sail singlehanded so when I bring her in to the dock I hold her there "ferry style" using a single breast rope and the engine on idle. Then I sort out the other lines at my leisure. Anyway some poor sod in a 30 footer went through the "whirlpool of death" at the stern and proceeded to spin around like a top and smash straight into the dock. Luckily he forgave me after much apologising. It's all a learning experience....

Cheers
Mark




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feebz

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Dec 9, 2009, 8:01:38 AM12/9/09
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Hi Mark
Cool i just cracked up laughing, i love the "whirlpool of
death" thats a classic, it's no fun unless your getting a buzz
anyway,
just remember when birthing to go as slow as you can while still
mantaining steerage, even if you have your revs up and use the gears
in & out and also reverse, same on small boats & big ships, i would of
loved to have seen the 30 footer spining around

anyhow i'm off this tub, the day after tomorrow 12th Dec and as i
dont have my own computor i shall wish you all a very Merry Christmas
and a happy new year now and shall be looking forward to chatting
again in five weeks

Cheers Shane

p.s i will be sailing on lake Mac over Chrissy then down to the
Hawksbry in the new year

Maeling

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Dec 9, 2009, 6:02:10 PM12/9/09
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Mark, You are living proof that Compass' are a great "toe in the water
class" where you won't get burned if the family say "We aren't going!"
Look forward to meeting all our ex owners at the BBQ on 5th Feb -
Vaucluse is a great place for a great night and a ferry home too.

Merry Christmas

Geoff & Lynne Raebel

On Dec 9, 1:05 pm, "m...@markevans.org" <markev...@markevans.org>
wrote:
> Having 2 yachts isn't ideal. I'll be glad to sell the old one :(
> I've upgraded recently to a bigger boat and I can highly recommend it if it
> fits your circumstances (used a lot) and finances. I'm glad I started out
> on the smaller boat though. The forces involved with the 17 tonne sloop are
> scary! Also it was nice to explore up the Hawkesbury etc in a boat that
> could fit under the bridges. The deep draft, high mast and lack of
> maneuverability is not the best.
>
> ----------------------------------------

Maeling

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Dec 9, 2009, 6:10:18 PM12/9/09
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Keep your eyes on the Compass home page the is a red C38 Fruition from
Perth there along with a close up of her keel and an elevation
drawing.

Geoff Raebel

On Dec 2, 6:21 pm, feebz <fe...@y7mail.com> wrote:

mark...@markevans.org

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Your book and this group are also a great help Geoff! I still love my Compass. We clocked up over 2000 happy miles together (mostly laps of Botany Bay). When I finally want to move back into a house one day I'll be looking for another one.

Cheers
Mark



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Mark, You are living proof that Compass' are a great "toe in the water
class" where you won't get burned if the family say "We aren't going!"
Look forward to meeting all our ex owners at the BBQ on 5th Feb -
Vaucluse is a great place for a great night and a ferry home too.

Merry Christmas

Geoff & Lynne Raebel

On Dec 9, 1:05 pm, "m...@markevans.org"
wrote:
> Having 2 yachts isn't ideal. I'll be glad to sell the old one :(
> I've upgraded recently to a bigger boat and I can highly recommend it if it
> fits your circumstances (used a lot) and finances. I'm glad I started out
> on the smaller boat though. The forces involved with the 17 tonne sloop are
> scary! Also it was nice to explore up the Hawkesbury etc in a boat that
> could fit under the bridges. The deep draft, high mast and lack of
> maneuverability is not the best.
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "feebz"
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:12 AM
> To: "Compass Yacht Group"

ExCompassLill

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Dec 9, 2009, 8:26:57 PM12/9/09
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Mark, how are you going actually getting out of the lake? I've heard
the "emergency" dredging is nearly complete, but still a bit to do
around the Drop off. The people at RMYC Toronto are pretty much up on
what's going on, and the fellow doing the dredging is actually a very
keen sailor.

Slightly better news is that the NSW Government will be purchasing a
dredge to be based on Lake Mac within the next 12 months, so
eventually we'll have a permanent solution. No doubt it will be called
the Generalissimo Joseph Tripodi or somesuch...

On Dec 10, 10:56 am, "m...@markevans.org" <markev...@markevans.org>
wrote:
> Your book and this group are also a great help Geoff! I still love my
> Compass. We clocked up over 2000 happy miles together (mostly laps of
> Botany Bay). When I finally want to move back into a house one day I'll be
> looking for another one.
> CheersMark
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "Maeling" <scout...@gmail.com>

mark...@markevans.org

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:07:01 PM12/9/09
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Hi Mark

Thanks for asking. We got out!!!!!!!!! It was such a massive relief after all these months. The dredging bloke was very helpful and sent a couple of guys to help us. In the end we got out all by ourself. Normally if the sounder alarm goes off I'd be heading in the other direction in a panic so it was a strange experience to feel the boat bouncing along the bottom. Actually quite fun. The blokes just advised me to gun it and it went over OK. The only area we hit the bottom was right at the western "start" of the drop-over. The channel seems pretty good now (but we did have a 2m tide).

It's so wonderful to have it down in Sydney! I probably won't be visiting Lake Mac in the foreseeable future :)

Cheers
Mark


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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:27 PM

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Subject: Re: Compass 38

Mark, how are you going actually getting out of the lake? I've heard
the "emergency" dredging is nearly complete, but still a bit to do
around the Drop off. The people at RMYC Toronto are pretty much up on
what's going on, and the fellow doing the dredging is actually a very
keen sailor.

Slightly better news is that the NSW Government will be purchasing a
dredge to be based on Lake Mac within the next 12 months, so
eventually we'll have a permanent solution. No doubt it will be called
the Generalissimo Joseph Tripodi or somesuch...

On Dec 10, 10:56 am, "m...@markevans.org"
wrote:
> Your book and this group are also a great help Geoff! I still love my
> Compass. We clocked up over 2000 happy miles together (mostly laps of
> Botany Bay). When I finally want to move back into a house one day I'll be
> looking for another one.
> CheersMark
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "Maeling"
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: "Compass Yacht Group"

Colin Green

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:39:00 PM12/9/09
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What do you draw Mark?

Colin

ExCompassLill

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Dec 10, 2009, 5:42:27 PM12/10/09
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That's great to hear. Where are you based now? Did you get your engine
fixed OK? I presume you did if you were able to "gun it" to get
through the channel.

On Dec 10, 1:07 pm, "m...@markevans.org" <markev...@markevans.org>
wrote:
> Hi Mark
> Thanks for asking. We got out!!!!!!!!! It was such a massive relief after
> all these months. The dredging bloke was very helpful and sent a couple of
> guys to help us. In the end we got out all by ourself. Normally if the
> sounder alarm goes off I'd be heading in the other direction in a panic so
> it was a strange experience to feel the boat bouncing along the bottom.
> Actually quite fun. The blokes just advised me to gun it and it went over
> OK. The only area we hit the bottom was right at the western "start" of the
> drop-over. The channel seems pretty good now (but we did have a 2m tide).
> It's so wonderful to have it down in Sydney! I probably won't be visiting
> Lake Mac in the foreseeable future :)
> CheersMark
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "ExCompassLill" <mark.p.cherring...@gmail.com>
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